It is absolutely impossible to miss the immediate, knee-jerk reaction of some forum members at the bare possibility that any suggestion of racism might not be racism. They don't want to debate it, or to give any thought to it, just to close down the discussion, sometimes with personal insults of "racist" directed at those who have dared to question the orthodoxy of the religion of anti-racism.
Do these people honestly believe it to be impossible that racism might not be a factor in some of the cases they mention?
"Racist" as an expression is a dead giveaway of a forum member who just can't stand the subject being debated; they obviously find any questioning of their views threatening, so instead of trying to discuss it, they try to stop anyone else doing so.
As opposed to "Anti-racism is kind of a religion now"?
It is absolutely impossible to miss the immediate, knee-jerk reaction of some forum members at the bare possibility that any suggestion of racism might not be racism. They don't want to debate it, or to give any thought to it, just to close down the discussion, sometimes with personal insults of "racist" directed at those who have dared to question the orthodoxy of the religion of anti-racism.
Do these people honestly believe it to be impossible that racism might not be a factor in some of the cases they mention?
"Racist" as an expression is a dead giveaway of a forum member who just can't stand the subject being debated; they obviously find any questioning of their views threatening, so instead of trying to discuss it, they try to stop anyone else doing so.
Are you 12 years old? How does that make ANY sense of what I posted? No one has shown any 'knee jerk reaction' to the suggestion that there may not be racism; people are only saying that it is possible. It is invariably the 'race card' people who try to close the discussion down, and no one else. I did not use the word 'racist', you did. You have not questioned anyone's views, other than to repeat them like a kid in a playground.
If you have anything slightly intelligent to add to the discussion about whether racism may be a possible factor, please say it. People who can't even bear the word to be used are just showing how defensive it makes them feel.
Except upon further scrutiny every housemate whi has said this says 'well umm yeah it's kinda errr because ya know he's watched us for weeks and errr errr oh yeah that psychology degree yeah thats it we distrust him because of his psychology degree".
In actual fact he hasn't been exposed he's done nothing wrong.
I'm not saying he has but it's clearly a topic of conversation in the house and whenever it's come up in the past in any context the housemate has been booed.
Unfortunately I think the boos did stem partly from prejudice. I admit he's fairly boring but the level of booing was unwarranted.
I don't believe the majority of the British public are like that though, hence the fact that Steven was booted out.
Disappointed by the crowd tonight.
Sadly I do think a heck of a lot of people are prejudiced against a great amount of what they believe are people different to them(race,sexuality,religion).This can be blatent or closet or people who pretend to embrace diversity until it lands on their doorstep.Whatever the reason for poor Pav's boos it still isnt as bad as Aaron Allard winning BB and getting terrible boos.
YOu mean it's like debating with a kid. People like carllewis pretending he is quoting what people have said, when they have not, in order to mock it is possibly the lowest level to which a forum can sink.
I'm not saying he has but it's clearly a topic of conversation in the house and whenever it's come up in the past in any context the housemate has been booed.
Fair point also after Danielle admitted she only said it out of vengeance and to set the cat amongst the pigeons i guess but when others say Chris is playing a game and being two faced the crowd didn't seem all that influenced by this..
Infact on further reflection i think OP may have hit thr nail firmly on the head, although some will dismiss this whole topic as 'leftie bollocks'.
Are you 12 years old? How does that make ANY sense of what I posted? No one has shown any 'knee jerk reaction' to the suggestion that there may not be racism; people are only saying that it is possible. It is invariably the 'race card' people who try to close the discussion down, and no one else. I did not use the word 'racist', you did. You have not questioned anyone's views, other than to repeat them like a kid in a playground.
If you have anything slightly intelligent to add to the discussion about whether racism may be a possible factor, please say it. People who can't even bear the word to be used are just showing how defensive it makes them feel.
No, the "anti-racists" won't consider that when someone suggests something might not be racist, they might have a point.
Seems to me that your side have closed down the argument already in your minds, because once racism is suggested, it must be there.
The fact is, you can't even see this, because you're so convinced of your own correctness.
Well, I grew up knowing that I had a mixed race cousin in Jamaica even when racial slurs were all around me. I must have been an early convert to this anti-racist religion.
Well, I grew up knowing that I had a mixed race cousin in Jamaica even when racial slurs were all around me. I must have been an early convert to this anti-racist religion.
I think the general dislike of Pav started with his VT. He exaggerated too much on it, so would always have come across boring when he never fulfilled that first impression of himself he gave. A ladies man, who can manipulate people into his way of thinking?! Please!
I think there is some projection of Marlon on Pav mixed in there too. Marlon had a larger than life VT too and ended up disappointing.
I mean generally the viewing public can forgive a housemate with a false VT if they show a personality that's entertaining in other ways, and will just dismiss the false VT as them "just saying that to get on the show" But Pavs done nothing he said he would do or even attempted anything. So at this late stage it's frustrating to have a quiet housemate that's not really bringing anything to the house, especially when it getting to the stage peoples favourites are starting to go. The larger personalities in the house will always get blamed by some for not letting Pav flourish but it's actually the producers that put a personality like Pav in at this late stage that are to blame. He needed time, it's obvious he wasn't a bianca type that would come in and make a huge impact or an out going Zoe type that would get along with everyone.
He doesn't deserve the boos no, but once he gets evicted it's obvious they'll stop. He's not hated!
Fair point also after Danielle admitted she only said it out of vengeance and to set the cat amongst the pigeons i guess but when others say Chris is playing a game and being two faced the crowd didn't seem all that influenced by this..
Infact on further reflection i think OP may have hit thr nail firmly on the head, although some will dismiss this whole topic as 'leftie bollocks'.
Chris's storyline isn't that "he's a gameplayer", when Pav entered the house he said he had a Psychology degree and knew how to manipulate people in a video which the housemates saw. Ex-housemates agreed that he was playing a game, current housemates are suspicious anyway and will take any excuse for an easy nomination. Viewers already have their favourites so he's hardly going to get cheers is he, regardless of what he has on his head.
Because they act in a spiteful/bullying/controlling/sexist manner. (See Helen, Steven, Ash, Marlon etc for reference.) In the same way that people who act like that and are from various ethnic minorities also get booed and chanted heavily.
That is not the case here, because Pav hasn't bullied anyone. Or been malicious. Or sexist. Or spiteful. So why exactly is he getting chanted and booed as much as Helen etc?
guilty as charged... not enough spine to mention my name?
Seriously you felt the need to post this? You felt i was quivering at the mere thought of mentioning you (random user who i have never spoken too) and the wrath that may come my way?
Well yes i am ofcourse terrified, no further justification needed let's just assume I'm afraid of some random no name on a forum.
when Jade treated Shilpa the way she did people still felt that wasn't racist.
If I remember didn't she call her Shilpa Poppadom or something similar. It was the sort of thing that infant or junior schoolkids would say. I felt that it wasn't borne of racism, but her lack of maturity and IQ.
Because they act in a spiteful/bullying/controlling/sexist manner. (See Helen, Steven, Ash, Marlon etc for reference.) In the same way that people who act like that and are from various ethnic minorities also get booed and chanted heavily.
That is not the case here, because Pav hasn't bullied anyone. Or been malicious. Or sexist. Or spiteful. So why exactly is he getting chanted and booed as much as Helen etc?
Because "They" wow
So according to you NO white person has ever been booed for no reason?
I call BS on that. You are just desperate for a racism story.
The crowd boo ANYONE who is not there fav. If you have watched BB for a long time like me you will have learnt this. All it will take is Pav to do one thing epic and it will change.
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Yes, they're all booing him coz he's got a turban on.
Meanwhile, on Planet Earth.
As opposed to "Anti-racism is kind of a religion now"?
I do think it has become something of a religion.
Are you 12 years old? How does that make ANY sense of what I posted? No one has shown any 'knee jerk reaction' to the suggestion that there may not be racism; people are only saying that it is possible. It is invariably the 'race card' people who try to close the discussion down, and no one else. I did not use the word 'racist', you did. You have not questioned anyone's views, other than to repeat them like a kid in a playground.
If you have anything slightly intelligent to add to the discussion about whether racism may be a possible factor, please say it. People who can't even bear the word to be used are just showing how defensive it makes them feel.
Its a bit like debating with a carrot!
video killed the radio star
I agree, but I live in hope that the carrots will listen.
Sadly I do think a heck of a lot of people are prejudiced against a great amount of what they believe are people different to them(race,sexuality,religion).This can be blatent or closet or people who pretend to embrace diversity until it lands on their doorstep.Whatever the reason for poor Pav's boos it still isnt as bad as Aaron Allard winning BB and getting terrible boos.
YOu mean it's like debating with a kid. People like carllewis pretending he is quoting what people have said, when they have not, in order to mock it is possibly the lowest level to which a forum can sink.
It's a mystery.
Fair point also after Danielle admitted she only said it out of vengeance and to set the cat amongst the pigeons i guess but when others say Chris is playing a game and being two faced the crowd didn't seem all that influenced by this..
Infact on further reflection i think OP may have hit thr nail firmly on the head, although some will dismiss this whole topic as 'leftie bollocks'.
No, the "anti-racists" won't consider that when someone suggests something might not be racist, they might have a point.
Seems to me that your side have closed down the argument already in your minds, because once racism is suggested, it must be there.
The fact is, you can't even see this, because you're so convinced of your own correctness.
Well, I grew up knowing that I had a mixed race cousin in Jamaica even when racial slurs were all around me. I must have been an early convert to this anti-racist religion.
Twisting my point
guilty as charged... not enough spine to mention my name?
I think the general dislike of Pav started with his VT. He exaggerated too much on it, so would always have come across boring when he never fulfilled that first impression of himself he gave. A ladies man, who can manipulate people into his way of thinking?! Please!
I think there is some projection of Marlon on Pav mixed in there too. Marlon had a larger than life VT too and ended up disappointing.
I mean generally the viewing public can forgive a housemate with a false VT if they show a personality that's entertaining in other ways, and will just dismiss the false VT as them "just saying that to get on the show" But Pavs done nothing he said he would do or even attempted anything. So at this late stage it's frustrating to have a quiet housemate that's not really bringing anything to the house, especially when it getting to the stage peoples favourites are starting to go. The larger personalities in the house will always get blamed by some for not letting Pav flourish but it's actually the producers that put a personality like Pav in at this late stage that are to blame. He needed time, it's obvious he wasn't a bianca type that would come in and make a huge impact or an out going Zoe type that would get along with everyone.
He doesn't deserve the boos no, but once he gets evicted it's obvious they'll stop. He's not hated!
Although I guess a dick might have swayed a few.
Because they act in a spiteful/bullying/controlling/sexist manner. (See Helen, Steven, Ash, Marlon etc for reference.) In the same way that people who act like that and are from various ethnic minorities also get booed and chanted heavily.
That is not the case here, because Pav hasn't bullied anyone. Or been malicious. Or sexist. Or spiteful. So why exactly is he getting chanted and booed as much as Helen etc?
Seriously you felt the need to post this? You felt i was quivering at the mere thought of mentioning you (random user who i have never spoken too) and the wrath that may come my way?
Well yes i am ofcourse terrified, no further justification needed let's just assume I'm afraid of some random no name on a forum.
If I remember didn't she call her Shilpa Poppadom or something similar. It was the sort of thing that infant or junior schoolkids would say. I felt that it wasn't borne of racism, but her lack of maturity and IQ.
Because "They" wow
So according to you NO white person has ever been booed for no reason?
I call BS on that. You are just desperate for a racism story.
The crowd boo ANYONE who is not there fav. If you have watched BB for a long time like me you will have learnt this. All it will take is Pav to do one thing epic and it will change.