This is not really new news is it? If you are over there and not interacting with your colleagues or friends, it is better to keep your mouth shut and no one will be the wiser. You have to imagine Blacks and Asians have it much worse, they can't really hide can they ?
I am Scottish living in Scotland my next door neighbour is English you could not meet a nicer man his wife is Scottish they are a lovely couple!
Indeed - it's not a 'them and us' thing, no rational person cares whether one was born in Scotland or England. I think it's very low of people to try and bring politics and the independence debate into this, as I support Scottish independence based on the mess that is Westminster politics and the desire for representatives in Holyrood to govern Scotland. It's not about the SNP (I see them as a means to an end), nor is it about Salmond or anti-Englishness (I love England, English history and the English language - I just don't love being shackled to the clowns in Westminster and faced with eternal Tory or Labour governments). We've diverged from Westminster politics, not from English people.
I was on holiday in Scotland during the latter stages of the 1990 World Cup and the locals were overjoyed when England lost in the semi final. I can also remember hearing loud and abusive anti-English chanting that night.
I was on holiday in Scotland during the latter stages of the 1990 World Cup and the locals were overjoyed when England lost in the semi final. I can also remember hearing loud and abusive anti-English chanting that night.
Was that your only interaction with Scottish people during the entire holiday?
I was on holiday in Scotland during the latter stages of the 1990 World Cup and the locals were overjoyed when England lost in the semi final. I can also remember hearing loud and abusive anti-English chanting that night.
Hey, if you're going to judge a nation by its worst football fans, you might want to be careful as your own nation's might be even worse.
I found out recently that my ancient ancestors are Scottish (I'm English) so before you start slagging off anybody from anywhere - have a good look at your family tree! People moved around you know even way back when - over borders on foot if necessary.
So now I just think we're all part of the same island and we should all learn to get along and I feel no animosity to anyone born or bred here.
Now people migrating here just to take advantage of our Benefits System, NHS and Housing System - then I get more than a bit annoyed.
Our country is British and I resent being called European. I'm British and always will be.
Tbf, it is partially true. Though anti Catholic may be a more accurate label for a certain section of la publique de l'Ecosse.
stop the anti catholic nonsense, sectariansm occurs on both sides and to call it anti catholic or anti irish just shows your bias. sectarianism in scotland is a tiny problem, racism is a far bigger issue, the stats back it up. In 2011 there were 693 charges for sectarianism and 6452 charges for racism. Of the 693 charges only 587 actually went to court: And of those 587 cases only 390 have resulted in convictions. 72.5% of the charges were only for Breach of the Peace. Only 39 assault charges were recorded – there is no data in the report on how many of them actually lead to convictions. The severity is also not mentioned so we are left to guess. Of all the convictions, only 70 resulted in custodial sentences. The perception of sectarianism is much stronger than its occurrence in reality
I've had a fair bit of anti-English sentiment in Scotland. Calling England the auld enemy in newspapers. They think its hilarious to say "I support anyone but England"... bad sportsmen and xenophobic generally.
They really need to sort out the racism in their general society, in England it's at a far less acceptable level.
stop the anti catholic nonsense, sectariansm occurs on both sides and to call it anti catholic or anti irish just shows your bias. sectarianism in scotland is a tiny problem, racism is a far bigger issue, the stats back it up. In 2011 there were 693 charges for sectarianism and 6452 charges for racism. Of the 693 charges only 587 actually went to court: And of those 587 cases only 390 have resulted in convictions. 72.5% of the charges were only for Breach of the Peace. Only 39 assault charges were recorded – there is no data in the report on how many of them actually lead to convictions. The severity is also not mentioned so we are left to guess. Of all the convictions, only 70 resulted in custodial sentences. The perception of sectarianism is much stronger than its occurrence in reality
Kiss my arse. I didn't say anti-Catholicism was the only manifestation of sectarianism did I? It is one aspect - there is a mirror in the other direction. I was responding to a post suggesting a hatred of the Irish - hence my focus on that particular phobia. I don't need to address racism.
I have neither the inclination nor the need to cover entire subjects in a post. If you think that reveals a bias in me, you are thick as tits. You know nothing about me or any bias I may or may not have. To make that assumption is woeful.
I grew up in Scotland, sunshine, and I'm fully aware of the religious divides that have affected that country.
Back under your stone. Come back to when you can construct a post that isn't an embarrassment to oxygen breathers.
I found out recently that my ancient ancestors are Scottish (I'm English) so before you start slagging off anybody from anywhere - have a good look at your family tree! People moved around you know even way back when - over borders on foot if necessary.
Indeed - I have ancestors from all over the UK (and beyond) on both my mothers and fathers side.
Another factor to take account of - family trees aren't always accurate. They may be the "accepted" version of events - but I bet many of us have ancestors born illegitimately, or due to illicit encounters that weren't talked about. I bet if we could get a 100% accurate family tree - there would be a fair few travelling salesmen in there
The likelihood is - very few people living in the UK have a pure bloodline going back to the original inhabitants of whichever land they now reside.
Which probably explains why many English people living outside the little bubble of the Home Counties despise London and Westminster as much as the Scottish.
You mean parliament rather than London and the borough of Westminster itself.
And many people 'despise'? rather dramatic but how come they do - do they not have representatives in parliament?
No, but was made to feel uncomfortable on holiday in North Wales.
So was my poor elderly Mother and her partner on a recent trip to North Wales. The locals were just horrible.
The old clichés, locals in shops, pubs and resturants going quiet, everyone suddenly deciding to speak Welsh when they were within earshot .My Mother, incidentally is well travelled and has never had any problems anywhere else. They say that it is their first and last trip to Wales.
I have always got on well with the locals whilst in Scotland. My Mum loves the place
I think a lot of people confuse sporting rivalry with xenophobia. The ABE thing is entirely sport related banter, I've never known anybody who harbours a genuine dislike of the English. We have lots of English families around here who have settled with no problems. I am concerned about a growing anti Scottish sentiment from south of the border though. If comments on DS over the last few years are any indication, Scotland has gone from being largely ignored to being resented.
So was my poor elderly Mother and her partner on a recent trip to North Wales. The locals were just horrible.
The old clichés, locals in shops, pubs and resturants going quiet, everyone suddenly deciding to speak Welsh when they were within earshot .My Mother, incidentally is well travelled and has never had any problems anywhere else. They say that it is their first and last trip to Wales.
I have always got on well with the locals whilst in Scotland. My Mum loves the place
The only real instance of this that I can think of was when a boy was put in our class in secondary school who had just moved to our town from Leeds and alot of people mocked his heavy yorkshire/Leeds accent.
I was drunk in Edinburgh once trying to get a pizza about 1am from a backstreet takeaway. The owner behind the counter suggested I get away immediatley as the shop was full of locals and they would kick my head in :eek:
Seemed a bit harsh . The Scots say they hate us , but you dont hear them moaning when the cash rolls in from Westminster :rolleyes:
Sure he wasn't just trying to get rid of the drunk who was trying to get a pizza LOL!
I think a lot of people confuse sporting rivalry with xenophobia. The ABE thing is entirely sport related banter, I've never known anybody who harbours a genuine dislike of the English. We have lots of English families around here who have settled with no problems. I am concerned about a growing anti Scottish sentiment from south of the border though. If comments on DS over the last few years are any indication, Scotland has gone from being largely ignored to being resented.
It's sporting rivalry when you actually play a country, when you just hate a country so much you want them to lose vs anyone it's more than that. I can tell the difference, Scottish are taught that England is the enemy from birth.
It's sporting rivalry when you actually play a country, when you just hate a country so much you want them to lose vs anyone it's more than that. I can tell the difference, Scottish are taught that England is the enemy from birth.
It's like the Palestinians. You would feel like that too if you were part of a conquered people.
Anyone who thinks there isn't anti-Scottish sentiment in England need only read the comment sections of any story relating to Scotland in the Daily Mail, or indeed on BBC News sites.
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Indeed - it's not a 'them and us' thing, no rational person cares whether one was born in Scotland or England. I think it's very low of people to try and bring politics and the independence debate into this, as I support Scottish independence based on the mess that is Westminster politics and the desire for representatives in Holyrood to govern Scotland. It's not about the SNP (I see them as a means to an end), nor is it about Salmond or anti-Englishness (I love England, English history and the English language - I just don't love being shackled to the clowns in Westminster and faced with eternal Tory or Labour governments). We've diverged from Westminster politics, not from English people.
Was that your only interaction with Scottish people during the entire holiday?
Hey, if you're going to judge a nation by its worst football fans, you might want to be careful as your own nation's might be even worse.
So now I just think we're all part of the same island and we should all learn to get along and I feel no animosity to anyone born or bred here.
Now people migrating here just to take advantage of our Benefits System, NHS and Housing System - then I get more than a bit annoyed.
Our country is British and I resent being called European. I'm British and always will be.
stop the anti catholic nonsense, sectariansm occurs on both sides and to call it anti catholic or anti irish just shows your bias. sectarianism in scotland is a tiny problem, racism is a far bigger issue, the stats back it up. In 2011 there were 693 charges for sectarianism and 6452 charges for racism. Of the 693 charges only 587 actually went to court: And of those 587 cases only 390 have resulted in convictions. 72.5% of the charges were only for Breach of the Peace. Only 39 assault charges were recorded – there is no data in the report on how many of them actually lead to convictions. The severity is also not mentioned so we are left to guess. Of all the convictions, only 70 resulted in custodial sentences. The perception of sectarianism is much stronger than its occurrence in reality
Sounds like you had a lot to drink there
They really need to sort out the racism in their general society, in England it's at a far less acceptable level.
Kiss my arse. I didn't say anti-Catholicism was the only manifestation of sectarianism did I? It is one aspect - there is a mirror in the other direction. I was responding to a post suggesting a hatred of the Irish - hence my focus on that particular phobia. I don't need to address racism.
I have neither the inclination nor the need to cover entire subjects in a post. If you think that reveals a bias in me, you are thick as tits. You know nothing about me or any bias I may or may not have. To make that assumption is woeful.
I grew up in Scotland, sunshine, and I'm fully aware of the religious divides that have affected that country.
Back under your stone. Come back to when you can construct a post that isn't an embarrassment to oxygen breathers.
Indeed - I have ancestors from all over the UK (and beyond) on both my mothers and fathers side.
Another factor to take account of - family trees aren't always accurate. They may be the "accepted" version of events - but I bet many of us have ancestors born illegitimately, or due to illicit encounters that weren't talked about. I bet if we could get a 100% accurate family tree - there would be a fair few travelling salesmen in there
The likelihood is - very few people living in the UK have a pure bloodline going back to the original inhabitants of whichever land they now reside.
You mean parliament rather than London and the borough of Westminster itself.
And many people 'despise'? rather dramatic but how come they do - do they not have representatives in parliament?
I think that's mainly what it is but hey this is the internet and people get 'outraged'
So was my poor elderly Mother and her partner on a recent trip to North Wales. The locals were just horrible.
The old clichés, locals in shops, pubs and resturants going quiet, everyone suddenly deciding to speak Welsh when they were within earshot .My Mother, incidentally is well travelled and has never had any problems anywhere else. They say that it is their first and last trip to Wales.
I have always got on well with the locals whilst in Scotland. My Mum loves the place
I thought only 20% of them can speak Welsh.
Sure he wasn't just trying to get rid of the drunk who was trying to get a pizza LOL!
How the bleedin' hell should I know?
Never been. Wouldn't want to.
It's sporting rivalry when you actually play a country, when you just hate a country so much you want them to lose vs anyone it's more than that. I can tell the difference, Scottish are taught that England is the enemy from birth.
It's like the Palestinians. You would feel like that too if you were part of a conquered people.
No I'm a good loser