Better apart; Scots need democracy
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It's ridiculous that the 'Better Together' quango think that Scots should put up with a government they didn't vote for, since tories have negligible support there. Why do they claim to be democrats while expecting Scots to be ruled by a Westminster government they didn't vote for?
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At least the Scots have the opportunity to vote for the main Westminster parties- unlike here where only the tory party fields candidates and nobody votes for them anyway! Scots have it better off than we do.
Speaking of which, this should have been posted to Politics, not GD..
We have a Scottish parliament that has a lot of power that the Scots voted for. I've never voted for them and never will.
What quango
I won't be voting yes anyway. The SNP claim to be democrats, just want to divide the UK. It won't happen.
This statement is so dense that light actually bends around it.
Nooooo. We need more ginger genes.
Well..
More of this.
Less of this.
Yup
Everyone who says this (a frightening number) doesn't understand how representative democracy works. Regardless of how big the country is, we can't always get the government that 'we' voted for.
Sometimes, other people have a different opinion and vote for a different party! Sometimes you don't get the MP/MSP you voted for. Sometimes you do get the MP/MSP you voted for, but they disagree with you on something, and vote a different way to how you want them to. Sometimes they do vote as you wish, but the other MPs/MSPs voted for by other people will vote differently.
Democracy does not mean you always get your own way. Reducing the size of a country is no guarantee that your favourite party will be the majority one, or that they will only make laws that you like.
Does your local council only make decisions you approve of? Arguably, they are more even more democratic than an Independent Scotland would be. If Independence goes ahead, will you be campaigning for further division into smaller, and therefore more democratic areas?
Politicians have very little real world power. Its all down to multinationals and the banks. And none of us voted them in.
Points both taken. I highlighted the post because I hadn't heard any challenge in the broadcast media to the Better Together campaign claiming to be democrats while denying basic democracy to Scots and complaining about the west Lothian question at same time.
I could say the same about Northern Ireland. We have zero say in who goes into government in Westminster.
You can't compare the way democracy works in the rest of the UK [normal political entities], or with the Republic, with the contrived set up over here in the Ruritanian fantasy politics we're stuck with. I won't be campaigning for anything to do with the Scots ref. It's entirely their business.
And Scottish MPs can still vote at Westminster on matters that don't affect the Scots in the slightest. I really don't know what the Scots are complaining about. They have it much better than the rest of the UK.
Most of the UK is ruled by a government they didn't vote for.
And the SNP got less than 50% of the vote in Scotland, yet somehow they formed a Government. That's why this particular argument doesn't gain much traction with people who have thought about it for more than five minutes and can do sums.
Scots will have the democratic right to change how we are governed, and if most voters want to remain part of the Union, then the "pro-democracy" separatists will have to suck it up. Respecting democracy means respecting that you don't always get your own way.
Thank goodness, the majority of Scots have more sense than to be led by the nose and are perfectly capable of cutting through the dross and rhetoric of the yes campaign and decide for themselves.
This should be in politics.
I see tears before bedtime
As far as I can see, it is the no campaign engaging in dross and rhetoric with a healthy dollop of scaremongering thrown in.
Not unlike the anti alternative vote campaign.
Hold on, isn't that where we came in ?
A good example of the scaremongering I was referring to.
I think the Dispatches programme tonight will discuss all the scaremongering on both sides and including the pressure being put on Scottish businesses not to speak out by ...guess? The SNP .