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Turning 's' in to 'sh' in words - why?

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    Madridista23Madridista23 Posts: 9,422
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    Talizman wrote: »
    Anyone else notice that some people pronounce words like 'student' and 'studio' as "shtudent" and "shtudio" etc? 'Assume' becomes "ashume", 'restaurant' turns in to "reshtaurant"....anybody have any idea why they do this?
    Possibly because they weren't taught to speak English correctly in the first place.
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    jjwalesjjwales Posts: 48,572
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    Possibly because they weren't taught to speak English correctly in the first place.

    That seems unlikely.
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    valkayvalkay Posts: 15,726
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    Nottingham was originally Snottingham, the Anglo Saxon name, but when the Normans arrived they couldn't pronounce the Sn sound so dropped the S, strangley though one of the areas in Nottingham is Sneinton, [Snen was Snots brother] but they kept that name. The French still seem to have a problem with S sound, where they change the S for E, as in Ecole for school, Etudie for study, Etranger for Stranger, and such like words.
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    jjwalesjjwales Posts: 48,572
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    valkay wrote: »
    Nottingham was originally Snottingham, the Anglo Saxon name, but when the Normans arrived they couldn't pronounce the Sn sound so dropped the S, strangley though one of the areas in Nottingham is Sneinton, [Snen was Snots brother] but they kept that name. The French still seem to have a problem with S sound, where they change the S for E, as in Ecole for school, Etudie for study, Etranger for Stranger, and such like words.

    Yes, in Old French ecole was escole, etranger was estranger. For some reason they dropped the S in words beginning Es.
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    dd68dd68 Posts: 17,841
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    'ashume' is my most hated, I have no idea why people do this
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 384
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    JB3 wrote: »
    Yesh, I am from the South Easht, I have notished it a fair bit myshelf.

    PMSHL hahahahahha:D
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    UKMikeyUKMikey Posts: 28,728
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    Possibly because they weren't taught to speak English correctly in the first place.
    I think it's more likely that if they're schoolkids they're deliberately coarsening their accent to fit in with their peer group.
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    jjwalesjjwales Posts: 48,572
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    UKMikey wrote: »
    I think it's more likely that if they're schoolkids they're deliberately coarsening their accent to fit in with their peer group.

    Not really anything to do with accent.
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    AsmoAsmo Posts: 15,327
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    UKMikey wrote: »
    I think it's more likely that if they're schoolkids they're deliberately coarsening their accent to fit in with their peer group.

    I think there is sometimes an element of this, a particularly sibliant 's' sound in 'st' for example is often regarded as a somewhat camp affectation.

    Something similar often happened in French classes when I was at school - the 'hard' kids would often actively resist correct pronunciation, or suffer the mockery of their mates.
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    colin_ansoncolin_anson Posts: 538
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    im surprised that nobody has mentioned the word 'asked' that gets replaced with the word 'axed'. i often hear it on the tv and cant understand why its there or how it adds to a sentence.

    it must be a younger generational text speak or something like the sh sound thats been coming from up south :confused:
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    jjwalesjjwales Posts: 48,572
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    im surprised that nobody has mentioned the word 'asked' that gets replaced with the word 'axed'. i often hear it on the tv and cant understand why its there or how it adds to a sentence.

    it must be a younger generational text speak or something like the sh sound thats been coming from up south :confused:

    Are you serious? This has been raised countless times on these boards. It has nothing to do with the younger generation, "ax" has been a dialect variant of "ask" since Chaucer's time!
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    valkayvalkay Posts: 15,726
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    jjwales wrote: »
    Are you serious? This has been raised countless times on these boards. It has nothing to do with the younger generation, "ax" has been a dialect variant of "ask" since Chaucer's time!

    But is mainly used by Afro Caribbeans.
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    sodavlacsodavlac Posts: 10,607
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    valkay wrote: »
    But is mainly used by Afro Caribbeans.

    And in recent times by young, urban dwelling white people who like rap music that are copying it to sound cool.
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