Unfortunately, whenever Michael Jackson's guilt or innocence is discussed, there is an automatic implication that anyone who came/comes forward with accusations is lying/'just doing it for the money'. Unfortunately, as the case of Jimmy Savile has proved, wealthy men can and do abuse people. I guess that's why I'd rather wait and see what transpires in court and what evidence is produced rather than simply dismiss Wade Robson's claims outright.
I agree. As what we are seeing now shows, money and fame can buy silence and blind eye turning.
Unfortunately, whenever Michael Jackson's guilt or innocence is discussed, there is an automatic implication that anyone who came/comes forward with accusations is lying/'just doing it for the money'. Unfortunately, as the case of Jimmy Savile has proved, wealthy men can and do abuse people. I guess that's why I'd rather wait and see what transpires in court and what evidence is produced rather than simply dismiss Wade Robson's claims outright.
In the case of Michael Jackson, even what happens in court doesn't seem to matter to those who insist that even when not found guilty, he must still be guilty.
anyone interested in the case needs to read a book by ian helprin which goes in depth with the 1993 case with jordy.
before I read the book I wasn't sure if mj was guilty or not.
but now i'm convinced he was taken advantage of michael wanted to go to trial to prove his innocece.
but people around him told him to settle obviously we don't know for sure if he did do anything but I don't think he did.
both families were dodgy jordy's father wanted his films produced and wanted mj to finance the project.
when he said no that's when he turned nasty also gavin avizo's mother was known to scam many celebs.
In the case of Michael Jackson, even what happens in court doesn't seem to matter to those who insist that even when not found guilty, he must still be guilty.
You misunderstand BBB.
I'm merely posting my opinion............just as you are.
anyone interested in the case needs to read a book by ian helprin which goes in depth with the 1993 case with jordy.
before I read the book I wasn't sure if mj was guilty or not.
but now i'm convinced he was taken advantage of michael wanted to go to trial to prove his innocece.
but people around him told him to settle obviously we don't know for sure if he did do anything but I don't think he did.
both families were dodgy jordy's father wanted his films produced and wanted mj to finance the project.
when he said no that's when he turned nasty also gavin avizo's mother was known to scam many celebs.
But that's not what Michael said on global television, HE wanted it to stop, HE decided HE didn't want it to drag on, HE told his people HE had enough.
Amthony Pellicano is the criminal who said the father wanted his films financed, Pellicano who serving 18 years for over 70 charges including intimidation.
Intially Pellicano told the media the raid on Neverland was as a result of police investigation into extortion which he had been helping them to expose. As the world knows that was not true, the police raided with regard to child molestation, they knew nothing of allegations of extortion.
Pellicano filed a complaint claiming extortion 4 or 5 days after the police raid.
Actually I'm not. I'm posting a fact. Michael Jackson has never been proven guilty of anything.
proven not guilty and bring innocent are entirely different things , especially when multi millions of pounds are involved , keep saying he was found not guilty all you like .
proven not guilty and bring innocent are entirely different things , especially when multi millions of pounds are involved , keep saying he was found not guilty all you like .
What are all the classic signs of a pedophile and which did MJ have?
For example, were any laptops or computers found in his possession containing indecent images of children in 2003 when they searched his property unannounced?
Michael was far too clever for that .
he had a unhealthy obsession with young boys .
during a search a book renowned by pedophiles was found
he built a theme park to attract children not because he didn't have a childhood - that argument is just a load of crap.
he took young boys on tour with him
he went on global tv with a young boy claiming the best thing you can do is share your bed with children.
he made it all look so innocent but there was nothing innocent about it in my and anyone who isnt a mj fans opinion.
i don't need no conviction too be able to see he found young boys attractive and i don't need to be a rocket scientist either surely anyone can see that .
all the clues are there , i am just not blinkered enough to think the sun shines out of the junkies behind.
yes and as i have said - being found not guilty and actually being innocent are completely different when you have millions and millions to pay legal teams .
Michael was far too clever for that .
he had a unhealthy obsession with young boys .
during a search a book renowned by pedophiles was found
he built a theme park to attract children not because he didn't have a childhood - that argument is just a load of crap.
he took young boys on tour with him
he went on global tv with a young boy claiming the best thing you can do is share your bed with children.
he made it all look so innocent but there was nothing innocent about it in my and anyone who isnt a mj fans opinion.
i don't need no conviction too be able to see he found young boys attractive and i don't need to be a rocket scientist either surely anyone can see that .
all the clues are there , i am just not blinkered enough to think the sun shines out of the junkies behind.
Ah I see.. so going on global TV and telling everyone you share a bed with children and building a theme park in your back garden are all the classic signs of being a pedophile.
And apparently.. he was too clever to leave any incriminating images on computers or around his property.. yet he's so stupid he went on TV and told everyone what he was doing? Really? That doesn't quite add up does it. Think about it.
If he were a prolific child abuser, the last thing he would want to be doing is going on TV and telling people he shares a bed with children. He would do anything possible to stop information like that becoming public knowledge.
Ah I see.. so going on global TV and telling everyone you share a bed with children and building a theme park in your back garden are all the classic signs of being a pedophile.
And apparently.. he was too clever to leave any incriminating images on computers or around his property.. yet he's so stupid he went on TV and told everyone what he was doing? Really? That doesn't quite add up does it. Think about it.
If he were a prolific child abuser, the last thing he would want to be doing is going on TV and telling people he shares a bed with children. He would do anything possible to stop information like that becoming public knowledge.
Out of interest which book are you referring to?
BIB - MJ's hand was forced by Martin Bashir. He had no choice but to admit to sleeping with boys when questioned about it on camera.
Ah I see.. so going on global TV and telling everyone you share a bed with children and building a theme park in your back garden are all the classic signs of being a pedophile.
And apparently.. he was too clever to leave any incriminating images on computers or around his property.. yet he's so stupid he went on TV and told everyone what he was doing? Really? That doesn't quite add up does it. Think about it.
If he were a prolific child abuser, the last thing he would want to be doing is going on TV and telling people he shares a bed with children. He would do anything possible to stop information like that becoming public knowledge.
Out of interest which book are you referring to?
I think he thought he was untouchable. That he thought people totally believed the hype that he was this innocent boy/man, who because of his childhood, was just reliving it by spending time with young boys, and for a long time he did get away with it. As usual, money speaks.
I think he thought he was untouchable. That he thought people totally believed the hype that he was this innocent boy/man, who because of his childhood, was just reliving it by spending time with young boys, and for a long time he did get away with it. As usual, money speaks.
But it wasn't just him saying that. Other people have confirmed that is what he was like. I don't see how money is speaking here:
Twice that you know of. If Jordy wasn't talking to his father then when they shared the same apartment for years must have used a lot of post-it notes.
Have you heard the full version of the phone calls as handed to the police by convicted criminal & audio expert Anthony Pellicano, or read the 124 (?) page transcript?
If your child had been molested by an adult, isn't it likely a parent will say.."I'm going to make them pay for it". ?
Apart from one person, do you know anyone who saw the local TV news report in April (?) 1994 that Mary Fischer pulled out of the hat, in her defence of Michael Jackson?
I don't buy the poor likkle naive Michael image, he made manipulative calculated lie after lie.
He was still saying in 1994 he'd prove his innocence in court whilst he'd gone for settlement. He said to settle was a personal decision to protect his image :rolleyes: and he didn't want it to drag on.
Then to stop certain details of the settlement being made public he changes his story and files a statement that an unamed insurance company overuled him and settled the 1993 case despite his wishes.
This is a guy who had Anthony Pellicano working for him in 1993, who negotiated Wade Robson's record deal at the same time he dealt with the Chandlers.
In 2004 he had 'pornographer and professional swindler' Marc Schaffel taking care of the accussers, a man who'd been publicly exposed in 2001 as a scam artist.
BIB.. The difference being that most would make him pay by taking him to court and getting him sent to prison for molesting their child, not take an out-of-court settlement of millions of dollars and obviously see that as justice for their child
BIB.. The difference being that most would make him pay by taking him to court and getting him sent to prison for molesting their child, not take an out-of-court settlement of millions of dollars and obviously see that as justice for their child
Is that true? Many parents of children abused by priests didn't seem to take court action and were happy for the priest just to be moved away.
No one forced Michael Jackson to pay $20m, it was his choice. Maybe he offered that amount of money to make it look like family were money grabbers.
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I agree. As what we are seeing now shows, money and fame can buy silence and blind eye turning.
It really is kinda frustrating that men accused of such wickedness have taken their innocence/guilt to the grave with them.:(
I do have my doubts about MJ though but in my mind there is no doubt about JS.:(
I don't have doubts about either. Both, in my opinion, were predators, who were rich enough and arrogant enough to get away with it. Which they did.
In the case of Michael Jackson, even what happens in court doesn't seem to matter to those who insist that even when not found guilty, he must still be guilty.
before I read the book I wasn't sure if mj was guilty or not.
but now i'm convinced he was taken advantage of michael wanted to go to trial to prove his innocece.
but people around him told him to settle obviously we don't know for sure if he did do anything but I don't think he did.
both families were dodgy jordy's father wanted his films produced and wanted mj to finance the project.
when he said no that's when he turned nasty also gavin avizo's mother was known to scam many celebs.
You misunderstand BBB.
I'm merely posting my opinion............just as you are.
But that's not what Michael said on global television, HE wanted it to stop, HE decided HE didn't want it to drag on, HE told his people HE had enough.
Here is the video where 3 mins in Michael says HE took the descisions.
Amthony Pellicano is the criminal who said the father wanted his films financed, Pellicano who serving 18 years for over 70 charges including intimidation.
Intially Pellicano told the media the raid on Neverland was as a result of police investigation into extortion which he had been helping them to expose. As the world knows that was not true, the police raided with regard to child molestation, they knew nothing of allegations of extortion.
Pellicano filed a complaint claiming extortion 4 or 5 days after the police raid.
Actually I'm not. I'm posting a fact. Michael Jackson has never been proven guilty of anything.
He's been proved in court to be a liar, the Schaffel case for a start, mind both of them were proved to be liars.
A statement he made on oath to prevent certain financial details of the 1993 settlement being made public proved he was a liar.
proven not guilty and bring innocent are entirely different things , especially when multi millions of pounds are involved , keep saying he was found not guilty all you like .
He was found not guilty.
Michael was far too clever for that .
he had a unhealthy obsession with young boys .
during a search a book renowned by pedophiles was found
he built a theme park to attract children not because he didn't have a childhood - that argument is just a load of crap.
he took young boys on tour with him
he went on global tv with a young boy claiming the best thing you can do is share your bed with children.
he made it all look so innocent but there was nothing innocent about it in my and anyone who isnt a mj fans opinion.
i don't need no conviction too be able to see he found young boys attractive and i don't need to be a rocket scientist either surely anyone can see that .
all the clues are there , i am just not blinkered enough to think the sun shines out of the junkies behind.
yes and as i have said - being found not guilty and actually being innocent are completely different when you have millions and millions to pay legal teams .
Ah I see.. so going on global TV and telling everyone you share a bed with children and building a theme park in your back garden are all the classic signs of being a pedophile.
And apparently.. he was too clever to leave any incriminating images on computers or around his property.. yet he's so stupid he went on TV and told everyone what he was doing? Really? That doesn't quite add up does it. Think about it.
If he were a prolific child abuser, the last thing he would want to be doing is going on TV and telling people he shares a bed with children. He would do anything possible to stop information like that becoming public knowledge.
Out of interest which book are you referring to?
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BIB - MJ's hand was forced by Martin Bashir. He had no choice but to admit to sleeping with boys when questioned about it on camera.
I think he thought he was untouchable. That he thought people totally believed the hype that he was this innocent boy/man, who because of his childhood, was just reliving it by spending time with young boys, and for a long time he did get away with it. As usual, money speaks.
But it wasn't just him saying that. Other people have confirmed that is what he was like. I don't see how money is speaking here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeQFGT5Jbgo
BIB.. The difference being that most would make him pay by taking him to court and getting him sent to prison for molesting their child, not take an out-of-court settlement of millions of dollars and obviously see that as justice for their child
Exactlly .
and he did try anything to cover it up including paying countless millions to different people . not just the high profile chandler case .
it is hard to have a reasonable debate with any mj fans because for some reason they don't see the picture like any normal sane person .
if nothing else he was a pervert who found young boys attractive . and that is the very least - i believe he was much more vile .
Is that true? Many parents of children abused by priests didn't seem to take court action and were happy for the priest just to be moved away.
No one forced Michael Jackson to pay $20m, it was his choice. Maybe he offered that amount of money to make it look like family were money grabbers.
How have you reached that conclusion?
because i am not a fan of his and i have my eyes wide open .
every-time i saw him there was a young boy dangling off his arm .
vile .