No! The UK is small enough as it is! :eek: Also, with the threat of Scotland being independent, we really can't be doing with the UK shrinking any further! :eek:
But only 40% see themselves as British according to the census.
From The Guardian:
"The second release of Northern Ireland census data has been published, including figures on the national identity of its population. Across the country as a whole, 48% of people considered themselves to be British, 29% Northern Irish and 28% Irish (Northern Irish could be chosen alongside British or Irish)."
"The second release of Northern Ireland census data has been published, including figures on the national identity of its population. Across the country as a whole, 48% of people considered themselves to be British, 29% Northern Irish and 28% Irish (Northern Irish could be chosen alongside British or Irish)."
I was going from the original information released.
Thank you for confirming it is still under 50% and therefore not a majority though.
I note that you don't comment on the surprisingly low percentage overall who consider themselves to be Irish!
Actually the picture is pretty much what one would expect: some areas are strongly British, some very much the opposite. In any case, though, your representation of the figures was inaccurate.
I was going from the original information released.
Thank you for confirming it is still under 50% and therefore not a majority though.
I picked Northern Irish in the same way someone would say they are Scottish or Welsh but still feel I'm part of the Uk rather than part of Ireland, from other people I've spoken to they had the same reasoning when picking Northern Irish
I note that you don't comment on the surprisingly low percentage overall who consider themselves to be Irish!
Actually the picture is pretty much what one would expect: some areas are strongly British, some very much the opposite. In any case, though, your representation of the figures was inaccurate.
I've been of the opinion for a while that a United Ireland will never happen.
People in the north haven't the appetite for it because they know it will spiral, as Sun Tzu said, into another war. People are tired and just want to get on with their lives.
I've been of the opinion for a while that a United Ireland will never happen.
People in the north haven't the appetite for it because they know it will spiral, as Sun Tzu said, into another war. People are tired and just want to get on with their lives.
There is the appetite for it. Terrorism on any level is wrong, I do not condone any of, but it must be said that the IRA is much more dangerous than the Ulster terrorist organisations. They have appetite, strong leaders, money, insiders in Government, weapons, they have it all. A united Ireland is bound to happen eventually; the question is when Ulster will be willing to brace itself for a short (in the grand scheme of things), violent period that may have to be managed by the military; or if we live our lives in persistent fear of the military organisations, particularly the IRA.
The information from the census certainly agree to disagree with you even when it is the case that the percentage of Catholics is increasing and the percentage of Protestants is decreasing.
I know we cannot say that every Catholic wants a United Ireland and vice versa.
People just want to get on with their lives in peace.
If that is in a 'Northern Ireland' that is part of the UK then so be it.
I personally wouldn't want to live in a United Ireland, I quite like having the NHS etc, though it does have it's faults. We also get free prescriptions, I am on a few different medications, and I'd have the idea of having to spend a chunk of my wages on health care/prescriptions when i could get them free.
I've been of the opinion for a while that a United Ireland will never happen.
People in the north haven't the appetite for it because they know it will spiral, as Sun Tzu said, into another war. People are tired and just want to get on with their lives.
It is depressing that even with the 'peace process' there are still some people on both sides that want to drag the country into the past. On the whole, the country is peaceful, but there's still the occasional disturbance to let people know that these organisations are still around.
I doubt a united Ireland would happen within our lifetimes - the economic situation in Ireland couldn't support it, even if a majority did want it
We (the Irish) don't want it back. Your problem now, Britain! (I write this quite ironically living in Britain)
Wrong. A Irish times poll recently said that 69% of people in the Republic said they would support a united Ireland even if it meant higher taxes, the rest said no or undecided/don't care.
I personally wouldn't want to live in a United Ireland, I quite like having the NHS etc, though it does have it's faults. We also get free prescriptions, I am on a few different medications, and I'd have the idea of having to spend a chunk of my wages on health care/prescriptions when i could get them free.
.. Universal Healthcare is to be introduced by 2015 and as far as I know prescription charges are only 50c per item and sickness benefit is considerably higher then the north/UK.
.. Universal Healthcare is to be introduced by 2015 and as far as I know prescription charges are only 50c per item and sickness benefit is considerably higher then the north/UK.
I still wouldn't want to be in a united Ireland, even with that. I was born British, and would like to stay that way, despite the OP thinking it's OK to concede power because it costs so much.
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What do you mean by "Let the Irish have it back"? Did they ever have it in the first place?
Suppose they must have
We didn't rule the world from the start of time.
But only 40% see themselves as British according to the census.
"The second release of Northern Ireland census data has been published, including figures on the national identity of its population. Across the country as a whole, 48% of people considered themselves to be British, 29% Northern Irish and 28% Irish (Northern Irish could be chosen alongside British or Irish)."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/interactive/2012/dec/12/northern-ireland-census-national-identities-mapped
I was going from the original information released.
Thank you for confirming it is still under 50% and therefore not a majority though.
Actually the picture is pretty much what one would expect: some areas are strongly British, some very much the opposite. In any case, though, your representation of the figures was inaccurate.
I picked Northern Irish in the same way someone would say they are Scottish or Welsh but still feel I'm part of the Uk rather than part of Ireland, from other people I've spoken to they had the same reasoning when picking Northern Irish
I've been of the opinion for a while that a United Ireland will never happen.
People in the north haven't the appetite for it because they know it will spiral, as Sun Tzu said, into another war. People are tired and just want to get on with their lives.
There is the appetite for it. Terrorism on any level is wrong, I do not condone any of, but it must be said that the IRA is much more dangerous than the Ulster terrorist organisations. They have appetite, strong leaders, money, insiders in Government, weapons, they have it all. A united Ireland is bound to happen eventually; the question is when Ulster will be willing to brace itself for a short (in the grand scheme of things), violent period that may have to be managed by the military; or if we live our lives in persistent fear of the military organisations, particularly the IRA.
The information from the census certainly agree to disagree with you even when it is the case that the percentage of Catholics is increasing and the percentage of Protestants is decreasing.
I know we cannot say that every Catholic wants a United Ireland and vice versa.
People just want to get on with their lives in peace.
If that is in a 'Northern Ireland' that is part of the UK then so be it.
It is depressing that even with the 'peace process' there are still some people on both sides that want to drag the country into the past. On the whole, the country is peaceful, but there's still the occasional disturbance to let people know that these organisations are still around.
I doubt a united Ireland would happen within our lifetimes - the economic situation in Ireland couldn't support it, even if a majority did want it
Might I ask if you live in England?
Wrong. A Irish times poll recently said that 69% of people in the Republic said they would support a united Ireland even if it meant higher taxes, the rest said no or undecided/don't care.
I still wouldn't want to be in a united Ireland, even with that. I was born British, and would like to stay that way, despite the OP thinking it's OK to concede power because it costs so much.
Why the Falklands ?
Argentina were never removed from it as UK was on it before Argentina existed. :cool:
So does Scotland and Wales maybe they should be separate also. :cool: