Rachel - not the favourite - undermarked!!
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I've just re-watched Rachel and Vincent's two dances from last night and I've started feeling a bit miffed.
I've come to the conclusion that they were undermarked - in relation to Lisa and Brendan anyway.
I don't want to detract from Lisa and Brendan's hard work and improvement but Brendan was the first to complain about unfair scoring when it related to him.
The complexity of the AT was breathtaking - it was in a different league to the other two. And before people mention Vincent's unfair advantage which has been done to death - it was Rachel who was fantastic!
And I loved the AS - how can Craig and Arlene give it such wonderful comments and then not give it tens - after giving Lisa and Brendan's quickstep tens across the board.
I won't even comment on Len's 8 because he was obviously on another planet last night.
It's frightening to think that maybe only Bruno was scoring accurately last night!:eek:
So, we're left with a three person final which is great.
But - Lisa goes into the final thinking she's the best contender, Tom probably has the public vote and will possibly win - where does that leave Rachel?
IMO the best dancer has been sidelined.
Hey ho - I still loved Rachel and Vincent's joy at getting through to the final.:)
I've just re-watched Rachel and Vincent's two dances from last night and I've started feeling a bit miffed.
I've come to the conclusion that they were undermarked - in relation to Lisa and Brendan anyway.
I don't want to detract from Lisa and Brendan's hard work and improvement but Brendan was the first to complain about unfair scoring when it related to him.
The complexity of the AT was breathtaking - it was in a different league to the other two. And before people mention Vincent's unfair advantage which has been done to death - it was Rachel who was fantastic!
And I loved the AS - how can Craig and Arlene give it such wonderful comments and then not give it tens - after giving Lisa and Brendan's quickstep tens across the board.
I won't even comment on Len's 8 because he was obviously on another planet last night.
It's frightening to think that maybe only Bruno was scoring accurately last night!:eek:
So, we're left with a three person final which is great.
But - Lisa goes into the final thinking she's the best contender, Tom probably has the public vote and will possibly win - where does that leave Rachel?
IMO the best dancer has been sidelined.
Hey ho - I still loved Rachel and Vincent's joy at getting through to the final.:)
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I too was a bit puzzled about the AS. I thought it was smooth, elegant and beautiful and that it deserved a couple of 10s - but an 8 from Len - the same mark as Tom's jive?
It's a bit of a shame as I truly feel that Rachel was the best tonight - her AS was better than Lisa's AT (even Brendan said that Len was generous.)
Rachel should have come Top. She then would have had a chance to win the title.
It's very doubtful this will happen now.
I felt fine about it all yesterday - but today I feel sad for R&V (and a bit hungover!)
Personally I didn't think their AS was 'wow' enough but that's an individual preference for the style and I still think 8 was unduly harsh.
The only consistent judge is Craig - he says it as it is and his marks match that ... Len in particular this year has been ALL OVER THE PLACE with his marks.
AAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!:eek:
(Mama finds brick wall to bang head against!)
Do you think Lisa could have danced the AT the way Rachel did - even if she had an experienced partner? No.
Also - there are many SCD dances where I am sure that Brendan is far more experienced than Vincent. Do we hear people cry unfair then? No.
Rhumbatugger - I too feel a bit delicate today - although I don't feel I consumed nearly enough alcohol last night!:D
I think Rachel's AS was actually my dance of the evening. It was breathtakingly beautiful and I feel sad it didn't get the credit it deserved.
And for those people going on about Rachel's lack of personality and expression - you watch her and Vincent's faces in that dance - lovely! The joy of the dance is written all over them.
Thanks Noah'sAark - and may I say how criminally badly Tom was treated by the judges last night?
As for Craig - I agree I have had the most respect for him over this series. His comments and marks have been consistant. Until last night - his comments and marks for Rachel's AT were at odds. And ten for Lisa's quickstep? I nearly fell asleep!
But it IS different in that all the pros regularly do all the other dances (even if they are ballroom or latin specialists). Argentine Tango is not a regular ballroom dance, hence Brendan had never attempted it before. Yes, Brendan may be better at some dances than Vincent, but it's not quite the same as never having done a dance before.
All the dancers are better at some dances than others and therefore have an advantage when these dances are to be learned.
There is no reason that a pro can't go and get a few lessons in AT or Salsa or whatever.
Vincent and Flavia don't appear to have any serious weaknesses - they still take classes in the AT.
The only advantage Rachel has is that she is partnered with the best pro - but that's just my opinion.
The rest, however, is not opinion but rational argument.
But Brendan has always known that if he gets to the semi's he will have to do the AT - couldn't he have brushed up on it beforehand? Been a bit prepared like?
And it really doesn't matter how good Vincent is - if his partner is no good, and the partnership doesn't work - then the AT would have been rubbish. But it wasn't.
Surely we've seen that on SCD so many times? So many excellent pro dancers who just can't pass the magic on to their partners?
Brendan is an excellent dancer - so it should have been a doddle to teach Fiona Phillips to dance. Right?
If she continues like this, I hope the public give credit.
Tom's dancing was poor by comparison last night and imo he should only win if his dancing deserves it.
It's all relative. Like Brendan said last week. There was nothing wrong with the scores (except maybe Len's 8!) but in relation to Lisa and Brendan's scores they were low.
We are well into the 6th series of SCD and surely Brendan et el could have had a "few" lessons just in case they made the semis! Bad preparation could be cynically viewed as an attempt to manipulate the "sympathy vote". I'm sorry but, Karen had never done the dance before and pulled out what is arguably the BEST AT by a Celeb that we have ever seen. The excuse that "I've never done the AT before" is now wearing just a tad thin for me!
Well that's one interpretation - but that's the problem with the judges vote its so arbitrary and they give 4 10s to some one before seeing all the dances. Frankly you could get any 4 people off the street who could give as credible a voting pattern as the one the judges produced last night!
I thought their AS was pretty but didnt wow me.
Someone posted above that Tom was treated badly. I have just watched their Jive again, he was not in time with Camilla in several places and basically ran out of steam, he was marked correctly.
Yes but all pros have their special dances. Surely you would not give Anton the benefit of a doubt in latin, just because it's not his speciality.
I agree with the OP, Rachel was great yesterday in her AT (and it wasn't just Vincent, it was her) and her AS was definitely undermarked by Len. However, the public might have realised that she was undermarked and it might help her next week.
It's interesting that you say that as if it was fact when you are clearly talking about the most subjective thing about dancing...
There's obviously a 'right or wrong' element of as regards the technicalities but the performance will always be less clear cut and divide opinion - see Austin's paso as a great example.
I'm sorry this is of course your opinion, but I'm getting the feeling that this has become a little bit of a cop out remark. We can't find anything technically wrong with it, so thus we need find something else wrong with it. There was emotion in it, and on top it technically brilliant. Her eyes didn't leave Vincent's face, while her feet were doing the talking.
I am pleased for all of them they are through to the final. Rachel's performances last night were the best, Tom had a bad night but no chance to save him, and Lisa did not deserve to go out over Tom last night (every other week definitely she would have lost to Tom and should have lost to Austin IMO, but last night no).
Their American Smooth was so undermarked because it was stunning form start to finish
I know its my opinion; i can't get emotionally involved with her because there is no emotion on show. Yes thats my opinion and everyone else has theres.
Its not a cop out remark - IMO I have only ever seen her give one emotionally involved dance; the Rumba. For me there is no emotional connectivity.