Oasis and Blur - Rock or Pop?
Phil_Baggers
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I've been having this argument with a mate of mine for weeks now. He says Oasis and Blur are pop and I'm saying they are Rock. I think it's obvious they are both Rock bands because if you said the Gallagher brothers or Damon Alburn that they are a pop band to their face you'd probably wake up in hospital the next day. What are people's thoughts on this??
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Blur with songs like girls and boys were more on the pop side
on the other hand 'dont look back in anger' was pop whilst 'song 2' was clearly rock.
As for the suggestions that Blur are more pop than Oasis - I'd argue that they have experimented far more and released far less commercial music than Oasis have.
They are straight descendants of bands like The Beatles, The Kinks and The Small Faces in many people's eyes, so make of that what you will.
They're hardly like Bill Haley or Buddy Holly or Jerry Lee Lewis.
That covers it for me.
Chuck Berry is the one they seem to come from It's kind of a progession of the sound of the 50s. The basic music of Rock N Roll is a boogie sometimes in 12 Bar.
The Stones, AC/DC, Status Quo are all considered to be Rock N Roll. All 3 of those bands have sung songs with Rock n Roll in the titles.
The Beatles started with Rock N Roll and went somewhere else with it.
Creation records is a British independent label, so Oasis could be classed as Indie.
I'd say they were indie as well. Indie doesn't really mean Independent anymore, in the same way that Pop doesn't really mean popular.
fair play.
so because some youngsters dont understand what 'indie' means it becomes a truth?...
No I didn't say that. Pop was short for popular, it clearly doesn't mean popular anymore it means the style of music. Indie was short for Independent (Both Blur and Oasis were signed to Indie's by the way) but now is more defined as a style of music.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_music
depends how old you are mate... its all pop to me, i thought the term 'pure pop' referred to the manufactured nonsense pop .
the question is, when did 'indie' change its meaning, and should it?
i put it down to the rise of manufactured pop, in the late 80's when guitar based pop which had been popular since the early 60's stopped being popular with the young. obviously indie was around as was other styles of rock during the 90's, including britpop.
as i see it the confusion started in 02 when busted returned guitar based pop back to a younger audience, followed swiftly by mc fly and other guitar based acts graced the charts again. i think fans of guitar based pop like to call it 'indie' out of snobbishness. and the irony of it all is that the production team that popularised 'pure pop', stock aitken and waterman, were by definition INDIE!
but its all pop. call it what you will, indie is pop. blur/oasis... are pop groups just like the beatles, stones, kinks, slade, sweet, etc were in the past.
Perfect example is that Erasure are an indie band.