If the perception of hunting was that it was working class, salt of the earth types who partook, it probably wouldn't even had been banned. Can't let the toffs have their way though.
All hunting with dogs was banned and that included 'sports' followed by people from the traditional 'working class' backgrounds.
It’s not cost effective to control a population by keeping a pack of hounds fed and watered on the off chance that they manage to get a fox. Why do you think there’s a charge to join a hunt? If it was cost effective there wouldn’t be.
It’s about as effective as a kid with a magnifying glass on a sunny day trying to keep an ant colony under control.
“Hoo but it’s a traditional British sport” As we try to move into more enlightened times don’t you think it would be a natural step to stop practices that are not only ineffective but totally archaic?
If the likes of “Hugh Fernely Wittingstall” makes you in an moment of land owning aspirational fervour desire to keep live stock in your newly acquired ¼ acre garden at least plan some sort of defence against the creatures that have just as much if not more right to live there.
The use of the word “FUN” is rather an emotive word to put on an animal that has no concept of the word. Your dearly beloved acquired chicken whatever is (pun intended at this point) lower in the pecking order so it gets killed. We cannot know what goes through a fox’s mind when it see another more helpless animal in it’s territory “FUN” should not be used but using “Lack of cognitive awareness of action” is slightly better. I mean of all the fox’s I have seen I have not yet seen one that would smile.
The countryside is not as depicted in “Beatrix Potter” or “A A Milne” a fluffy care free harmonious existence, where animals have human emotions and got to School down Dingle Lane, it’s cold it’s ruthless and we are stupid not them.
I will finish my rant off by saying “I miss fox hunting” for one simple reason and one only “Fit young women in riding gear just does it for me” Hoo how I miss the Boxing Day Hunt in the village
Another thing that people don't realise is that, if we had never had fox hunting in this country, there wouldn't actually be any countryside at all.
I remember the hunting fraternity used to boast that their activity was open to one and all from every sector of society. Look, they used to say, we've got dustmen and dukes and everything in between: we recognise no class barriers, we've got plumbers and professors. Ours is a completely classless activity.
Then when the ban was threatened, overnight it became "Help, help, we're only being persecuted because we're well to do, the only people who are anti-hunting don't care about foxes, they just hate toffs."
Hypocritical bastards :mad:
I don't really see how that makes the hunters hypocritical.
All they're doing is pointing out peoples flawed assumptions about the demographic that enjoyed fox-hunting.
Must say, prior to the ban I DID think is was just a spiteful dig at "toffs" and my main concern was that it would impact the livelihoods of those involved with the sport.
However, given that the local hunt still enjoys a good gallop around the countryside that means that nobody has really lost out because of the ban and foxes don't get ripped apart by dogs any more (unless it happens "unavoidably" during a drag-hunt) so it's really win/win for all concerned.
Another thing that people don't realise is that, if we had never had fox hunting in this country, there wouldn't actually be any countryside at all.
That's right. Although fox hunting with hounds in England dates back only to the 16th century, there was no such thing as countryside before then :rolleyes:
Another thing that people don't realise is that, if we had never had fox hunting in this country, there wouldn't actually be any countryside at all.
Sorry, but that is pure complete BS. Where I was born, foxes didn't even exist until they were introduced by the hunts people in order to satisfy their 'hobby'.
Ah, now the unpleasantness surfaces. Nice chap who shoots animals in cold blood and tells people to 'suck it up'. You're not a million miles from those 'hypocrite toffs' are you?
I don't want to fox hunt. I don't understand why anyone would want to. But as someone who has lived in the city all my life i also wouldn't be arrogant enough to tell people who live in the countryside how to behave. I have enough understanding to know that life and culture out in the country is very different and i am not qualified to tell them what to do.
I don't really see how that makes the hunters hypocritical.
It's an example of moving the goalposts.
First they say that their disgraceful activity is one that's open to anybody of any social strata; yet when their vile pursuit was under threat of a ban, they chose to concentrate on the class angle and on the upper class angle specifically, confidently asserting that people who were anti-hunting (the majority of the population by a long way - didn't the Countryside Alliance get hauled over the coals for lying about opinion polls?) were motivated by class hatred rather than animal welfare.
Why did they do that? Why was it "You only hate hunting because toffs do it?" and not "You only hate hunting because mechanics and postmen do it?"
Ah, now the unpleasantness surfaces. Nice chap who shoots animals in cold blood and tells people to 'suck it up'. You're not a million miles from those 'hypocrite toffs' are you?
I shoot animals in cold blood to prevent them from harming livestock. If you can't accept that, tough.
Also, I'm still not sure how the "toffs" were being particularly hypocritical.
Ah, now the unpleasantness surfaces. Nice chap who shoots animals in cold blood and tells people to 'suck it up'. You're not a million miles from those 'hypocrite toffs' are you?
Foxes need to be culled, farmers livestock needs protecting.
Surely a marksman with a 100% mortality rate is a much better option than a bunch of dicks on horses trampling all over the countryside all day just so that can possibly kill on fox?
Foxes need to be culled, farmers livestock needs protecting.
Surely a marksman with a 100% mortality rate is a much better option than a bunch of dicks on horses trampling all over the countryside all day just so that can possibly kill on fox?
i doubt that is the case. you would have to find the foxes to shoot them.
I don't want to fox hunt. I don't understand why anyone would want to. But as someone who has lived in the city all my life i also wouldn't be arrogant enough to tell people who live in the countryside how to behave. I have enough understanding to know that life and culture out in the country is very different and i am not qualified to tell them what to do.
There's not a big problem with foxes here. I've only seen the odd one once in a blue moon.
First they say that their disgraceful activity is one that's open to anybody of any social strata; yet when their vile pursuit was under threat of a ban, they chose to concentrate on the class angle and on the upper class angle specifically, confidently asserting that people who were anti-hunting (the majority of the population by a long way - didn't the Countryside Alliance get hauled over the coals for lying about opinon polls?) were motivated by class hatred rather tha animal welfare.
Why did they do that? Why was it "You only hate hunting because toffs do it?" and not "You only hate hunting because mechanics and postmen do it?"
Yeah but that's no reflection on the hunters themselves. Rather it's a reflection on the assumptions made about them.
I think it's undeniable that a certain amount of inverted snobbery was involved in the support for a ban on hunting.
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All hunting with dogs was banned and that included 'sports' followed by people from the traditional 'working class' backgrounds.
Another thing that people don't realise is that, if we had never had fox hunting in this country, there wouldn't actually be any countryside at all.
I don't really see how that makes the hunters hypocritical.
All they're doing is pointing out peoples flawed assumptions about the demographic that enjoyed fox-hunting.
Must say, prior to the ban I DID think is was just a spiteful dig at "toffs" and my main concern was that it would impact the livelihoods of those involved with the sport.
However, given that the local hunt still enjoys a good gallop around the countryside that means that nobody has really lost out because of the ban and foxes don't get ripped apart by dogs any more (unless it happens "unavoidably" during a drag-hunt) so it's really win/win for all concerned.
Maybe to protect their livestock?
I'm not particularly bothered by it.
ROFL how on earth do you make that out?
If a farmer asks me to, yeah. Suck it up.
Sorry, but that is pure complete BS. Where I was born, foxes didn't even exist until they were introduced by the hunts people in order to satisfy their 'hobby'.
Ah, now the unpleasantness surfaces. Nice chap who shoots animals in cold blood and tells people to 'suck it up'. You're not a million miles from those 'hypocrite toffs' are you?
Thanks for giving me a laugh!
I don't want to fox hunt. I don't understand why anyone would want to. But as someone who has lived in the city all my life i also wouldn't be arrogant enough to tell people who live in the countryside how to behave. I have enough understanding to know that life and culture out in the country is very different and i am not qualified to tell them what to do.
I don't take a great deal of joy in it.
I'm sure most people who think that foxes are cute probably also thinks that, for example, a new-born lamb or calf is also cute too.
There are times when you have to pick one over the other.
Hmm...
First they say that their disgraceful activity is one that's open to anybody of any social strata; yet when their vile pursuit was under threat of a ban, they chose to concentrate on the class angle and on the upper class angle specifically, confidently asserting that people who were anti-hunting (the majority of the population by a long way - didn't the Countryside Alliance get hauled over the coals for lying about opinion polls?) were motivated by class hatred rather than animal welfare.
Why did they do that? Why was it "You only hate hunting because toffs do it?" and not "You only hate hunting because mechanics and postmen do it?"
I shoot animals in cold blood to prevent them from harming livestock. If you can't accept that, tough.
Also, I'm still not sure how the "toffs" were being particularly hypocritical.
Foxes need to be culled, farmers livestock needs protecting.
Surely a marksman with a 100% mortality rate is a much better option than a bunch of dicks on horses trampling all over the countryside all day just so that can possibly kill on fox?
"Assassinate"
i doubt that is the case. you would have to find the foxes to shoot them.
Apparently they are, according to another poster.
There's not a big problem with foxes here. I've only seen the odd one once in a blue moon.
Yeah but that's no reflection on the hunters themselves. Rather it's a reflection on the assumptions made about them.
I think it's undeniable that a certain amount of inverted snobbery was involved in the support for a ban on hunting.