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Middlesbrough man to be first to be prosecuted for selling Android Boxes

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    JasonJason Posts: 76,557
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    Well well well .. According to the European Court of Justice selling pre-loaded boxes isn't illegal.
    Neither is watching streams :cool:
    https://torrentfreak.com/watching-pirate-streams-isnt-illegal-eu-commission-argues-161001/

    Very interesting.

    I can see other measures being implemented by rights holders though if it's fully ratified.

    NBC killed the bulk of access to the Sports Live Extra plugin by requiring people to log in with a valid cable account so i can see something similar happening in the EU. But then if we "brexit" then will it even apply to the UK ?
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    Fried KickinFried Kickin Posts: 60,132
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    peter3hg wrote: »
    Read the link again, they haven't ruled on it yet.
    Did you miss the paragraph that starts "The European Commission doesn’t classify selling pre-loaded boxes as infringing" ?
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    Fried KickinFried Kickin Posts: 60,132
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    Very interesting.

    I can see other measures being implemented by rights holders though if it's fully ratified.

    NBC killed the bulk of access to the Sports Live Extra plugin by requiring people to log in with a valid cable account so i can see something similar happening in the EU. But then if we "brexit" then will it even apply to the UK ?
    In this case of the guy from Middlesbrough,his case will be heard before we Brexit as triggering A50 starts a 2 year process as I'm sure you know.
    After we exit then I suspect it will become illegal in the UK as Sky are so powerful here.
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    peter3hgpeter3hg Posts: 3,176
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    Did you miss the paragraph that starts "The European Commission doesn’t classify selling pre-loaded boxes as infringing" ?

    The European Commission isn't the European Court of Justice.
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    Fried KickinFried Kickin Posts: 60,132
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    peter3hg wrote: »
    The European Commission isn't the European Court of Justice.
    The official EU stance as of right now is that it isn't illegal.

    My original post may have been slightly misleading though I do concede.
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    D_Mcd4D_Mcd4 Posts: 10,438
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    peter3hg wrote: »
    Read the link again, they haven't ruled on it yet.

    Any ruling that makes it at offence to look at pirate content could be seriously misused by the entertainment industry and dodgy copyright lawyers. It has to be offense to sell, collect and share it not to glance at it!

    They tried it a few years ago with porn. They wanted the IP adresses of people who looked at a video on a legimate site. People who didn't even know the video was infringing copyright. It got nowhere.

    http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/the-high-price-of-streaming-porn-when-it-falls-foul-of-copyright-laws
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    DougalGeorgeDougalGeorge Posts: 364
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    The ex-pat community all over Europe are watching Kodi and Mag boxes. Live UK tv and every football match and film channel you can think of.
    The funny thing is, that most of them used to subscribe to Sky through a UK address and a 3 metre dish on the roof. Then Sky changed something so the footprint didn't reach some parts of Europe, and everyone cancelled their subscriptions. Now everyone has a box.
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    SmoggyTheTownySmoggyTheTowny Posts: 484
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    Well as i said a bit further back in the thread, he did sell "clean" boxes after his arrest but he also continued to encourage people to install the addons to allow them access to the "free" content so he certainly can't plead ignorant in that respect.
    Well obviously, you can't go claiming your innocent of something because you never did it again after you were caught.
    I'm amazed that he is fighting it as hard as he is, he has little (if any) chance of winning and will likely be slapped with a large and unrealistic fine, possibly also a custodial sentence.
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    SmoggyTheTownySmoggyTheTowny Posts: 484
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    Following on from this case, FACT have taken a Middlesbrough pub to court for using KODI to show live sports in the pub, and fined them £8,000.

    http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/kodi-court-case-firm-pay-12025765
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    Rawr!Rawr! Posts: 788
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    Following on from this case, FACT have taken a Middlesbrough pub to court for using KODI to show live sports in the pub, and fined them £8,000.

    http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/kodi-court-case-firm-pay-12025765

    Serves them right, you take the risk, you pay the cost if caught.
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    JasonJason Posts: 76,557
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    Rawr! wrote: »
    Serves them right, you take the risk, you pay the cost if caught.

    Pubs have always come off badly in cases like this because I think it's the element of public broadcasting involved, as well as licensing laws as well.
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    Galaxy266Galaxy266 Posts: 7,049
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    I know of a pub that got fined £20,000 for allowing customers to watch Sky Sports using a domestic Sky transmission. Apparently the one's meant for places like pubs are different and can be identified by means of a very small logo somewhere on the edge of the screen. No doubt they are also incredibly expensive, too!

    Seems they take this sort of thing very seriously.
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    JasonJason Posts: 76,557
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    He's officially entered a 'Not Guilty' plea and it'll now go to a full trial.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38769045
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    bertie bundogbertie bundog Posts: 389
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    Well well well .. According to the European Court of Justice selling pre-loaded boxes isn't illegal.
    Neither is watching streams :cool:
    https://torrentfreak.com/watching-pirate-streams-isnt-illegal-eu-commission-argues-161001/

    That's not right. That is simply the position argued to the Court by the European Commission in the course of an ongoing case. The final verdict isn't due until the end of the year.

    I would not care to predict what the final decision of the Court will be or what it will impact on.
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    zx50zx50 Posts: 91,272
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    Well well well .. According to the European Court of Justice selling pre-loaded boxes isn't illegal.
    Neither is watching streams :cool:
    https://torrentfreak.com/watching-pirate-streams-isnt-illegal-eu-commission-argues-161001/

    If selling pre-loaded Kodi boxes isn't illegal, why does the computer repair shop here refuse to have anything to do with pre-loaded Kodi boxes then? I don't have one and never have.
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    Fried KickinFried Kickin Posts: 60,132
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    That's not right. That is simply the position argued to the Court by the European Commission in the course of an ongoing case. The final verdict isn't due until the end of the year.

    I would not care to predict what the final decision of the Court will be or what it will impact on.
    As you've no doubt read further down I accepted that my initial post could be somewhat misleading and would have edited it to reflect that but we are only given 15 mins or so to edit a post.
    As it stands the EU commission argues that watching unauthorized streams is not illegal.
    zx50 wrote: »
    If selling pre-loaded Kodi boxes isn't illegal, why does the computer repair shop here refuse to have anything to do with pre-loaded Kodi boxes then? I don't have one and never have.
    The opinion of your local computer shop is irrelevant.
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    sarahj1986sarahj1986 Posts: 11,305
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    We have got a box with Kodi on it at home. My husband uses it to watch the Spanish football games on catch up or live if he's at home. We watch The Grand Tour off it plus any other series not on TV likes The Crown
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    cris182cris182 Posts: 9,595
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    zx50 wrote: »
    If selling pre-loaded Kodi boxes isn't illegal, why does the computer repair shop here refuse to have anything to do with pre-loaded Kodi boxes then? I don't have one and never have.

    My local phone repair shop refuses to touch certain phones, It isn't illegal for him too. He chooses not too
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    JasonJason Posts: 76,557
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    I read that even after his arrest, he continued to advertise 'fully loaded' boxes via his facebook page and was pushing the fact you could watch sky for "free" with them so I do think he's fully aware of what he's doing but he's just pretending to be clueless.
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    zx50zx50 Posts: 91,272
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    cris182 wrote: »
    My local phone repair shop refuses to touch certain phones, It isn't illegal for him too. He chooses not too

    Ah right. Okay.
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    tim59tim59 Posts: 47,188
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    zx50 wrote: »
    If selling pre-loaded Kodi boxes isn't illegal, why does the computer repair shop here refuse to have anything to do with pre-loaded Kodi boxes then? I don't have one and never have.

    Who needs computer shops for this kind of thing, sorry but boxes like this have been around for years, people have been doing this kind of thing from home for years, and are sold by word and mouth. someone at work or someone in the local pub, and today someone on the net
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    netcurtainsnetcurtains Posts: 23,494
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    I'm more attached to my android box than I am my children. You'll have to prise it from my cold dead hands.
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    Fried KickinFried Kickin Posts: 60,132
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    Nice necro bump to this thread .....

    Brian "Tomo" Thompson has been ordered to pay back £1 to the state for selling fully loaded Kodi boxes
    https://torrentfreak.com/infamous-kodi-box-case-sees-man-pay-back-just-1-to-the-state-180507/
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    TUCTUC Posts: 5,105
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    Does anyone understand why it is the council that is taking the legal action rather than the copyright owners or the police? I'm not clear what legal powers they are using.
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    JasonJason Posts: 76,557
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    A pound and a suspended sentence?

    I wonder how much it actually cost to bring the case ?

    Bloody ridiculous
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