Back to "Average" from last week's "Good". I felt quite a lot happened. We now finally know who the big bad is (and it wasn't Angelo having a gay lover's tiff, despite what some people thought last week). Rex is back with the government, partially legitimising Torchwood. We have a glimpse of a possible solution.
Despite the slow pacing, it feels to me like they keep pulling things out of a hat. It doesn't help that Jack had been going on about morphic resonance before.
Jilly and Danes are by far the most interesting characters.
I would have liked to have seen more mention of the category 0 at least...if she knew about it, who else did and why didn't more find out about it? sure they could have cut a couple things to fit that in.
I think Jilly knew about it because she keeps her finger on the pulse and knows a lot of current stuff. That's how she latched onto Danes in the first place. The prostitute knew about it from sleeping with senators, who talked about it.
What I don't get is why it was at all secret. Presumably it was intended as a vote-winning measure, to please people who think Danes wasn't punished enough. It's the sort of thing politicians would want to boast about. The show is treating it like the ovens, as a dirty secret.
I don't think that's a brandnew storyline, but something I would have expected to happen (kind of a logical progression). After the categories have been introduced and it has become known that the category 1 members are being burned, people would try to hide category 1 members at home or somewhere (I assume particularly if they think that the person has been wrongly classified.
I don't really get why that would be a problem. Apparently the category 1s were burned because the government didn't know what else to do with them, but if people are willing to look after them at home, that should suit them equally.
Early in the series there was mention of disease risk. That makes sense, but are they really going to have Gwen's father infect the household? I'm not sure how the disease thing works anyway. Apparently bodies don't rot, so something's stopping the bacteria from decomposing them, so they shouldn't be any more an incubator for disease than live people.
One thing, having watched it again, I'm wondering just how stupid is Esther, was she really too thick not to get that Jack didn't want her to mention the floor?
She got it. She didn't agree. She thought solving Miracle Day was more important than whatever Jack was up to, and they weren't making any progress when they didn't even know what it was. She doesn't worship Jack or see why he should get to choose what gets revealed. I don't think she even believed he was a time-traveller.
I found it to be one of the better episodes, especially after the last few which I found disappointing.
It was still a mixed bag of some good scenes (and performances) and some of what has been the norm - erratic pacing, the way Gwen is being written, the escape 'plan' that Rex came up with after being so clever with the lenses trick earlier in the episode. I did enjoy this week's episode overall.
I think the major problem I have with Miracle Day is that the premise is a truly excellent one which hasn't been exploited as well as it might have been. Even in this week's episode the category 0 stuff deserved more screen time and development.
Somewhere in the ten hours of screen time we will eventually see there is an very good 5 or 6 part story to be found!
Last week's gay-fest got more votes than any except the first. I guess because it was controversial, more people took the trouble to find the poll and vote, while debating it.
But she got him back by employing a midget prostitute who specialises in impersonating schoolgirls thus depriving him of any sense of having sex with a real woman..
The CIA agent got the prostitute... and he only wanted to talk to her.. despite quite being prepared to have sex with him dressed as a schoolgirl she became amazingly moral faced with the prospect of simply talking to him.
The CIA agent got the prostitute... and he only wanted to talk to her.. despite quite being prepared to have sex with him dressed as a schoolgirl she became amazingly moral faced with the prospect of simply talking to him.
I thought that was quite credible. It wasn't so much about what was moral, as about what she felt comfortable doing. She was able to disconnect emotionally during sex in a way she couldn't do during conversation.
I thought that was quite credible. It wasn't so much about what was moral, as about what she felt comfortable doing. She was able to disconnect emotionally during sex in a way she couldn't do during conversation.
Agreed.
I've no personal experience (I haste to add) but I remember reading that it's commonplace for prostitutes to say "No kissing" because they regard that as intimate whereas sex is just work and they see using their body for sex as no different to using it to lift crates or operate a printing press.
I'd also draw a parallel with working with people in a "regular" job - you can be poilte and even work very well with some people that you wouldn't want anything to do with on any other level. Or maybe even a Doctor or other professional dealing with a client - they don't want to socialise with them as well - the relationship is artificial.
I thought that was quite credible. It wasn't so much about what was moral, as about what she felt comfortable doing. She was able to disconnect emotionally during sex in a way she couldn't do during conversation.
I thought it was utter nonsense... she was happy to indulge paedophile fantasies whislt having sex but couldn;t have a chat... probably making her the worst escort ever as well as a total hypocrite... utterly unvelievable.
"Hear I am all perky, I have my school uniform in the bag, you can put your willy in me and I'll pretend to love it... WHAT!!! You want to chat!!! LET ME OUT YOU PERVERT.. YOU'RE GOING TO THE OVENS!!!! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!".... errrm... nope.
I thought it was utter nonsense... she was happy to indulge paedophile fantasies whislt having sex but couldn;t have a chat... probably making her the worst escort ever as well as a total hypocrite... utterly unvelievable.
"Hear I am all perky, I have my school uniform in the bag, you can put your willy in me and I'll pretend to love it... WHAT!!! You want to chat!!! LET ME OUT YOU PERVERT.. YOU'RE GOING TO THE OVENS!!!! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!".... errrm... nope.
Sorry, but I think it's entirely credible. The guy disgusts her. She's prepared to put up with his abuse for money but she's not prepared to pretend to like him. That would be like condoning his behaviour which is not something she's prepared to live with.
Someone that got me was in the preview for the next show.
"Something in corner of your eye, you just can't see"
This line was in 5x01 - With prisoner zero and the crack in the wall. Who is linked to The Silence, which in turn are influencing humans on earth. The same way the 3 families are doing in Torchwood?
Just how excellent was Q though. Brilliant lines, brilliant delivery. Just like Q from the first TNG episodes. I'll forgive the scriptwriters a lot for that alone.
Really? Personally I found that one of the most irritating features of the programme. Write characters that fit your story -- don't just throw in a character to appeal to the sci-fi geeks. I got the reference, but all it served to do was help prevent any sort of illusion reforming (it was shattered ages ago).
Really? Personally I found that one of the most irritating features of the programme. Write characters that fit your story -- don't just throw in a character to appeal to the sci-fi geeks. I got the reference, but all it served to do was help prevent any sort of illusion reforming (it was shattered ages ago).
I had no idea who he was, I actually thought he was the man from the "More Than Freeman" advert. I still enjoyed his performance though.
I've no personal experience (I haste to add) but I remember reading that it's commonplace for prostitutes to say "No kissing" because they regard that as intimate whereas sex is just work and they see using their body for sex as no different to using it to lift crates or operate a printing press.
I'd also draw a parallel with working with people in a "regular" job - you can be poilte and even work very well with some people that you wouldn't want anything to do with on any other level. Or maybe even a Doctor or other professional dealing with a client - they don't want to socialise with them as well - the relationship is artificial.
I have had dealings with people in this trade in various places around the world and you're right. They want no emotional link to the john. Do the job, get the money, get out and get ready for the next one (if you're lucky they may have showered). Sitting and talking over dinner has the potential of forming a bond. The difference was they should have gotten him an escort, not a prostitute specializing in roll playing.
I have had dealings with people in this trade in various places around the world and you're right. They want no emotional link to the john. Do the job, get the money, get out and get ready for the next one (if you're lucky they may have showered). Sitting and talking over dinner has the potential of forming a bond. The difference was they should have gotten him an escort, not a prostitute specializing in roll playing.
Given she "did" senators I took it she was an escort... who was quite happy to have sex with a paedophile dressed as a little girl... but not to role play an adult on a date.
I thought it was utter nonsense... she was happy to indulge paedophile fantasies whislt having sex but couldn;t have a chat... probably making her the worst escort ever as well as a total hypocrite... utterly unvelievable.
"Hear I am all perky, I have my school uniform in the bag, you can put your willy in me and I'll pretend to love it... WHAT!!! You want to chat!!! LET ME OUT YOU PERVERT.. YOU'RE GOING TO THE OVENS!!!! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!".... errrm... nope.
you see I thought that made sense , because it addressed the issue of just how much he was being accepted and at what level .
so a prostitute , who allows all sorts of things physically , will have her own boundary , for her the physical stuff is just physical but real emotion or real connection with someone like Oswald - forget it .
red-head then drives the mesage home when explaining to him that the public like him as a character on tv but not in RL .
Did anyone else notice the reference to the Vivaldi Inheritance 2004 ?
A reference to RTD's 'Mine All Mine' where ordinary Max Vivaldi is found to own the ancient deeds to the whole of Swansea !!...also starring Eve Myles.
And what's with three characters wearing the same shade of purple ? That must be a DW clue to something
Given she "did" senators I took it she was an escort... who was quite happy to have sex with a paedophile dressed as a little girl... but not to role play an adult on a date.
The physical part of the job may be real but the rest of it is just acting. Just as a actress might refuse to play a part they find repulsive - not the same thing as playing a repulsive character - a hooker is still a human being and a high-class one will have a lot more choice than someone supporting a drug-habit or living in fear of a violent pimp.
She drew a line in what she would do for money - just like you or I would, Nothing about her job says she can't do that. Just being a prostitute doesn't mean she has no personal standards or that she can't be grossed out by anything.
No we don't. People like that often confess to murders they didn't commit.
Not saying he's innocent but not saying he's guilty either until the programme shows us otherwise.
Some things in a story can be excepted without us - the viewers - seeing every single detail. Danes was convicted and "executed" and he admits his guilt.
Short of them showing him actually raping a child - with us seeing him physically penetrating that child - there will never be the sort of proof you are talking about. They could show him beating and shooting a child after climbing off her naked body - but that still wouldn't prove that he actually raped her and you couldn't even say she was definitely dead unless they autopsied the poor kid - the actress - on screen.
The character is a self-confessed, convicted child rapist and murderer - period.
You may as well say that we have no "proof" that Rex is male because we haven't seen his dong. Heck, that might not really be Earth - Jack "could" be dreaming. Who knows, maybe there is no Jack and Danes is the one dreaming.
The difference was they should have gotten him an escort, not a prostitute specializing in roll playing.
She was supposed to be an escort, a high class one who slept with Senators. I thought it was reasonable that she turn down the job when she realised what was involved, but I also thought she would have been more professional about it, and leave without causing offence. Above all else, such a woman should be discrete, and not go blabbing political secrets.
Very late in the day, but only just watched.
Still interesting now, if only it hadn't taken six weeks too long to get to this point!
John de Lancie was great!
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Despite the slow pacing, it feels to me like they keep pulling things out of a hat. It doesn't help that Jack had been going on about morphic resonance before.
Jilly and Danes are by far the most interesting characters.
I think Jilly knew about it because she keeps her finger on the pulse and knows a lot of current stuff. That's how she latched onto Danes in the first place. The prostitute knew about it from sleeping with senators, who talked about it.
What I don't get is why it was at all secret. Presumably it was intended as a vote-winning measure, to please people who think Danes wasn't punished enough. It's the sort of thing politicians would want to boast about. The show is treating it like the ovens, as a dirty secret.
I don't really get why that would be a problem. Apparently the category 1s were burned because the government didn't know what else to do with them, but if people are willing to look after them at home, that should suit them equally.
Early in the series there was mention of disease risk. That makes sense, but are they really going to have Gwen's father infect the household? I'm not sure how the disease thing works anyway. Apparently bodies don't rot, so something's stopping the bacteria from decomposing them, so they shouldn't be any more an incubator for disease than live people.
She got it. She didn't agree. She thought solving Miracle Day was more important than whatever Jack was up to, and they weren't making any progress when they didn't even know what it was. She doesn't worship Jack or see why he should get to choose what gets revealed. I don't think she even believed he was a time-traveller.
It was still a mixed bag of some good scenes (and performances) and some of what has been the norm - erratic pacing, the way Gwen is being written, the escape 'plan' that Rex came up with after being so clever with the lenses trick earlier in the episode. I did enjoy this week's episode overall.
I think the major problem I have with Miracle Day is that the premise is a truly excellent one which hasn't been exploited as well as it might have been. Even in this week's episode the category 0 stuff deserved more screen time and development.
Somewhere in the ten hours of screen time we will eventually see there is an very good 5 or 6 part story to be found!
Thank you for this link!
Brilliantly funny!
I heartily recommend it.
1: The New World: 554
2: Rendition: 364
3: Dead of Night: 300
4: Escape to LA: 252
5: The Categories of Life: 266
6: The Middle Men: 231
7: Immortal Sins: 380
8: End of the Road: 239
Last week's gay-fest got more votes than any except the first. I guess because it was controversial, more people took the trouble to find the poll and vote, while debating it.
The CIA agent got the prostitute... and he only wanted to talk to her.. despite quite being prepared to have sex with him dressed as a schoolgirl she became amazingly moral faced with the prospect of simply talking to him.
I thought that was quite credible. It wasn't so much about what was moral, as about what she felt comfortable doing. She was able to disconnect emotionally during sex in a way she couldn't do during conversation.
Agreed.
I've no personal experience (I haste to add) but I remember reading that it's commonplace for prostitutes to say "No kissing" because they regard that as intimate whereas sex is just work and they see using their body for sex as no different to using it to lift crates or operate a printing press.
I'd also draw a parallel with working with people in a "regular" job - you can be poilte and even work very well with some people that you wouldn't want anything to do with on any other level. Or maybe even a Doctor or other professional dealing with a client - they don't want to socialise with them as well - the relationship is artificial.
I thought it was utter nonsense... she was happy to indulge paedophile fantasies whislt having sex but couldn;t have a chat... probably making her the worst escort ever as well as a total hypocrite... utterly unvelievable.
"Hear I am all perky, I have my school uniform in the bag, you can put your willy in me and I'll pretend to love it... WHAT!!! You want to chat!!! LET ME OUT YOU PERVERT.. YOU'RE GOING TO THE OVENS!!!! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!".... errrm... nope.
Sorry, but I think it's entirely credible. The guy disgusts her. She's prepared to put up with his abuse for money but she's not prepared to pretend to like him. That would be like condoning his behaviour which is not something she's prepared to live with.
Regards
Julian
"Something in corner of your eye, you just can't see"
This line was in 5x01 - With prisoner zero and the crack in the wall. Who is linked to The Silence, which in turn are influencing humans on earth. The same way the 3 families are doing in Torchwood?
I had no idea who he was, I actually thought he was the man from the "More Than Freeman" advert. I still enjoyed his performance though.
I have had dealings with people in this trade
And I could watch JDL allllll day.
Given she "did" senators I took it she was an escort... who was quite happy to have sex with a paedophile dressed as a little girl... but not to role play an adult on a date.
you see I thought that made sense , because it addressed the issue of just how much he was being accepted and at what level .
so a prostitute , who allows all sorts of things physically , will have her own boundary , for her the physical stuff is just physical but real emotion or real connection with someone like Oswald - forget it .
red-head then drives the mesage home when explaining to him that the public like him as a character on tv but not in RL .
A reference to RTD's 'Mine All Mine' where ordinary Max Vivaldi is found to own the ancient deeds to the whole of Swansea !!...also starring Eve Myles.
And what's with three characters wearing the same shade of purple ? That must be a DW clue to something
The physical part of the job may be real but the rest of it is just acting. Just as a actress might refuse to play a part they find repulsive - not the same thing as playing a repulsive character - a hooker is still a human being and a high-class one will have a lot more choice than someone supporting a drug-habit or living in fear of a violent pimp.
She drew a line in what she would do for money - just like you or I would, Nothing about her job says she can't do that. Just being a prostitute doesn't mean she has no personal standards or that she can't be grossed out by anything.
Of course we don't know yet for certain that Oswald is actually guilty.
We do - he admitted it in that scene and others.
No we don't. People like that often confess to murders they didn't commit.
Not saying he's innocent but not saying he's guilty either until the programme shows us otherwise.
I don't think he would have been sentenced to death row unless there was pretty convincing evidence that it was him.
I'm not expecting the program to confirm what it expects to be self-evident.
Some things in a story can be excepted without us - the viewers - seeing every single detail. Danes was convicted and "executed" and he admits his guilt.
Short of them showing him actually raping a child - with us seeing him physically penetrating that child - there will never be the sort of proof you are talking about. They could show him beating and shooting a child after climbing off her naked body - but that still wouldn't prove that he actually raped her and you couldn't even say she was definitely dead unless they autopsied the poor kid - the actress - on screen.
The character is a self-confessed, convicted child rapist and murderer - period.
You may as well say that we have no "proof" that Rex is male because we haven't seen his dong. Heck, that might not really be Earth - Jack "could" be dreaming. Who knows, maybe there is no Jack and Danes is the one dreaming.
Still interesting now, if only it hadn't taken six weeks too long to get to this point!
John de Lancie was great!