I don't think he needs humiliating any more (though I've seen that pic pre-sacking), despite a nice pay off, it's going to be in history for all time that he was a failure here, no amount of money will change it. That's bad enough for someone who seems like a nice guy who tried his best, but ultimately wasn't up to the task of managing the biggest football club in the world.
I hope he gets a warm reception the next time he's at OT.
I know you lot probably don't appreciate a Liverpool supporters opinion on these things, but from our perspective I really hope you don't get Ancelotti. The guy just manages football teams really well. He'd be a great stabalising influence.
As for Van Gaal: he has the reputation of being an arse kicker so I reckon you'd definitely have quite a clear out under him.
When Moyes took over are any of you surprised, he wasn't made to keep the coaching staff, considering the success the coaches had, with the club the size it is, and how successful I thought they would have jested a manager, who fit in the jigsaw.
Pepi Mel for an example, was told he had to work around Keith Downing and Dean Kiely,, Maybe for at least the first season Moyes should have been told, this is your coaching setup, if come after one season, you are doing well, then we will look again.
He basically, turned u into Everton with Man U players
When Moyes took over are any of you surprised, he wasn't made to keep the coaching staff, considering the success the coaches had, with the club the size it is, and how successful I thought they would have jested a manager, who fit in the jigsaw.
Pepi Mel for an example, was told he had to work around Keith Downing and Dean Kiely,, Maybe for at least the first season Moyes should have been told, this is your coaching setup, if come after one season, you are doing well, then we will look again.
He basically, turned u into Everton with Man U players
You can't impose those restrictions on a new manager and expect him to have any credibility, in my opinion.
It was always going to be extremely difficult for him to gain the respect of the players, telling him that he couldn't bring in his own men would have exacerbated that, I think.
You can't impose those restrictions on a new manager and expect him to have any credibility, in my opinion.
It was always going to be extremely difficult for him to gain the respect of the players, telling him that he couldn't bring in his own men would have exacerbated that, I think.
West Brom made Pepi Mel, work with the old team, that is why the situation dragged on for ages
West Brom made Pepi Mel, work with the old team, that is why the situation dragged on for ages
Yes, I understand that, but the two situations are vastly different.
Mel wasn't replacing a legendary, long-serving, serial winner, and he wasn't inheriting a team of multiple medal winners. He didn't have anywhere near the same challenge, in terms of earning the players' respect.
You can't impose those restrictions on a new manager and expect him to have any credibility, in my opinion.
It was always going to be extremely difficult for him to gain the respect of the players, telling him that he couldn't bring in his own men would have exacerbated that, I think.
Yes, Round and Lumsden were the quality we really did not need and are as equally culpable as anyone. Another unintended consequence of an already poor decision.
Yes, I understand that, but the two situations are vastly different.
Mel wasn't replacing a legendary, long-serving, serial winner, and he wasn't inheriting a team of multiple medal winners. He didn't have anywhere near the same challenge, in terms of earning the players' respect.
Yeah I can see your point, but from a mural fans position, Sir Alex, Mike Phelean seemed animated.
Moyes, Round and Neville, looked like Dumb and Dumber
He would have looked hamstrung from the off if he couldn't have brought in his own staff, a new manager should do things as he sees fit, and which will in his view help him to achieve what he wants to achieve.
If that means using people that he feels comfortable, and that he trusts, then that is far better than foisting some people that he does not know upon him.
Yes, in this case it has not worked out, but that is no reason to just deduct that it was wrong of us to allow him to put together what he wanted at the time.
It was supposedly one of Ferguson's prime pieces of advice to young managers: don't let players take the piss and make a fool of you. Moyes certainly had that no-nonsense, not to be messed with reputation at Everton. Somehow or other the reputations of the Man Utd players ended up being bigger than his, and nobody seemed to stop it spiraling out of control.
I wonder if he'd spent a year as an assistant to Ferguson; being seen to be trusted by 'the man' and gradually being given more and more control over the team as the season went on would have helped or hindered his case? I suppose the final irony was with Fellaini: a player who was heroic for him at Everton, yet so intimated at Utd he totally embodied Moyes' meekness to the rest of the dressing room.
Least Scholes now has a role at the club even when we get a new full time manager the likes of him and Giggs should have some role, or even better red Nev
People keep saying that Moyes is a nice guy and honourable and all that but i have to be honest and say i really dont know where this is coming from based on anything he said during his time with us. I dont mean to kick a man when he is down, but 90% of his interaction with people in the media had me in various states of cringing, from his inept comments about Fabregas and the Baines & Fellaini bids, to the bitching about the fixtures right through to the Sir Alex would have struggled with this squad comments which seemed to be that of a man who would crap on others to save his own skin.
Maybe he is a great guy but i cant say ive seen the evidence of it hugely. Not that it really matters now anyway.
People keep saying that Moyes is a nice guy and honourable and all that but i have to be honest and say i really dont know where this is coming from based on anything he said during his time with us. I dont mean to kick a man when he is down, but 90% of his interaction with people in the media had me in various states of cringing, from his inept comments about Fabregas and the Baines & Fellaini bids, to the bitching about the fixtures right through to the Sir Alex would have struggled with this squad comments which seemed to be that of a man who would crap on others to save his own skin.
Maybe he is a great guy but i cant say ive seen the evidence of it hugely. Not that it really matters now anyway.
It seems to stem from the idea that he tried his best. Granted it's not his fault he was selected for the job but as you say it was quickly becoming clear there were no depths he wouldn't sink to to cover his own back no matter how hypocritical and delusional it made him look
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Not someone you'd want to meet on a dark night.
Looks like he'd run away from a silver bullet, he does. Probably has very hairy palms too. ;-)
Round up some of these softies and give them some extra training sessions.
This is complete guesswork on my part, but I suspect the main source of discontent over that might be a certain Scouser.
I hear Colleen's managed to shift the baby weight.
Him indoors? ;-)
http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/04/manchester-united-fires-david-moyes-whats-next
Just scroll down the article.
I hope he gets a warm reception the next time he's at OT.
You think he'll get the Edward Woodward treatment from the Wicker Man?!? Bloody animals!
As for Van Gaal: he has the reputation of being an arse kicker so I reckon you'd definitely have quite a clear out under him.
Pepi Mel for an example, was told he had to work around Keith Downing and Dean Kiely,, Maybe for at least the first season Moyes should have been told, this is your coaching setup, if come after one season, you are doing well, then we will look again.
He basically, turned u into Everton with Man U players
You can't impose those restrictions on a new manager and expect him to have any credibility, in my opinion.
It was always going to be extremely difficult for him to gain the respect of the players, telling him that he couldn't bring in his own men would have exacerbated that, I think.
West Brom made Pepi Mel, work with the old team, that is why the situation dragged on for ages
Yes, I understand that, but the two situations are vastly different.
Mel wasn't replacing a legendary, long-serving, serial winner, and he wasn't inheriting a team of multiple medal winners. He didn't have anywhere near the same challenge, in terms of earning the players' respect.
Yes, Round and Lumsden were the quality we really did not need and are as equally culpable as anyone. Another unintended consequence of an already poor decision.
Yeah I can see your point, but from a mural fans position, Sir Alex, Mike Phelean seemed animated.
Moyes, Round and Neville, looked like Dumb and Dumber
I appreciate that with hindsight it appears to have been a foolish move (and actually looked questionable at the time).
I just don't agree that Moyes should have been told that he couldn't do it.
If that means using people that he feels comfortable, and that he trusts, then that is far better than foisting some people that he does not know upon him.
Yes, in this case it has not worked out, but that is no reason to just deduct that it was wrong of us to allow him to put together what he wanted at the time.
I wonder if he'd spent a year as an assistant to Ferguson; being seen to be trusted by 'the man' and gradually being given more and more control over the team as the season went on would have helped or hindered his case? I suppose the final irony was with Fellaini: a player who was heroic for him at Everton, yet so intimated at Utd he totally embodied Moyes' meekness to the rest of the dressing room.
Maybe he is a great guy but i cant say ive seen the evidence of it hugely. Not that it really matters now anyway.
It seems to stem from the idea that he tried his best. Granted it's not his fault he was selected for the job but as you say it was quickly becoming clear there were no depths he wouldn't sink to to cover his own back no matter how hypocritical and delusional it made him look