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Is £20,000 a decent wage these days

SoundboxSoundbox Posts: 6,247
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I thought that £20,000 was in the 'fair to decent' category these days for semi-skilled work (engineering) however two agencies have told me that is wrong and I should aim for £30,000. One laughed at my 20k suggestion! To me that is too high and people these days don't give wages freely so there is some catch I feel. I have said I thought 20k was about right but they disagree.

Most advertised jobs are 16-21k 'depending on experience' so what is right? I can't believe there are high paying jobs just sitting about these days.:confused:
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    AndrueAndrue Posts: 23,366
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    I think you're right to laugh. Sounds too high to me. The advertised jobs figure sounds reasonable for sem-skilled engineering to me. Put it this way - the average national wage is only about £23k.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,182
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    £20000 is definiitely not a generous wage. The monthly take home pay would be around £1350, so not much left after you'd paid rent/mortgage, council tax and other bills.

    I guess though it all depends on where you live. Around here you're looking at £1000 a month for a studio flat or one bed flat so it wouldn't really be enough to survive on unless you were sharing.
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    welwynrosewelwynrose Posts: 33,666
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    Depends on age, experience & where you live in the UK
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    PootmatootPootmatoot Posts: 15,640
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    It's pretty much an entry level wage.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 11,133
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    I would love a job on 20,000 . Its a lot of money and would get a nice place up here .
    Sadly Im stuck on the Rock n Roll :cry:
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    TakaeTakae Posts: 13,555
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    That's £2K more than a typical entry-level salary in my profession. Location does count, though.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 625
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    It is more than I am on, but that is mainly because of the type of organisation I work for.

    As other have said, 20K wouldn't be good enough in say London, but may be plenty in other areas.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 5,432
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    I imagine it depends on age and experience - straight out of uni - that sounds grand - 20 odd years in and it would seem like a pittance
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    gertrude hubblegertrude hubble Posts: 1,271
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    As others say it depends on the area. I live in the south east and rent for a one bedroom flat is from £700 per month so a £20k salary wouldn't leave that much for bills etc. However, having said that there are not many jobs in this area at the moment on that salary, they are paying much less.
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    Xela MXela M Posts: 4,710
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    Soundbox wrote: »
    I thought that £20,000 was in the 'fair to decent' category these days for semi-skilled work (engineering) however two agencies have told me that is wrong and I should aim for £30,000. One laughed at my 20k suggestion! To me that is too high and people these days don't give wages freely so there is some catch I feel. I have said I thought 20k was about right but they disagree.

    Most advertised jobs are 16-21k 'depending on experience' so what is right? I can't believe there are high paying jobs just sitting about these days.:confused:

    Yes, mine is :p
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    Xela MXela M Posts: 4,710
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    20,000 sounds very low to me, but I'm in Central London.
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    Enfant TerribleEnfant Terrible Posts: 4,391
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    I imagine it depends on age and experience - straight out of uni - that sounds grand - 20 odd years in and it would seem like a pittance

    As others have mentioned, I think location is even more of a deciding factor. Being on 20K is all very well if your mortgage/rent is £500/month, it's not so much fun when you're paying double or triple that (i.e. London). I don't know how some people survive in this city.
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    wazzyboywazzyboy Posts: 13,346
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    Like for like jobs now have to pay the same despite age, at least in theory, sine age wass added to equal pay laws. The way round that is what's being said here, ie entry level and graduate entry jobs. So long as it's genuinely different and linked to you developing as an employee it's perhaps fair enough.
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    LastlaughLastlaugh Posts: 3,422
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    God you want to try being on £12000 something a year and then being told you have to agree a paycut or lose your job!!

    20 grand sounds marvelous.
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    Thomas007Thomas007 Posts: 14,309
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    Most people I know at uni we're all targeting a £100k at some point in their career.
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    Harper_MilneHarper_Milne Posts: 2,854
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    It's not alot but the job I'm going for only pays 13k a year (it's a traineeship) so to have a 20k job for me would be EPIC!!
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 63
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    I'm on just over £20k and work in admin. We're very lucky though - my husband earns a really good wage and we don't live in an expensive area.

    There's a woman I work with who lives on her own and I know she struggles to make ends meet some months. I have every respect for people like that and would never take my job for granted.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 9,286
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    I suppose it must depend on what type of engineer you are, as a friend of mine left uni last year and his starting salary is £40,000. That is not unusual among my friends- there are definitely high paying jobs around even for graduates!
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    ItsallaboutyouItsallaboutyou Posts: 1,306
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    I was earning 14k a year in my job. Took home £1000 a month. That went on rent, bills, council tax and travel passes plus food. Had around £70 to £120 a month to play with!
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    Bulletguy1Bulletguy1 Posts: 18,429
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    Afraid engineering skills are not suitably rewarded in the UK hence the reason why we've lost so many. There are exceptions such as McLaren where I imagine a skilled engineer with qualifications would earn serious money, but job vacancies in a place like that are few and the example is an extreme.

    As others have said a lot is dependent on area but £20k pa is low. Unfortunately income levels are kept low by the increasing use of casual labour on a hire 'n fire basis.
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    Si_CreweSi_Crewe Posts: 40,202
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    IIRC, the average wage in the UK is now around £25,000.
    That, of course, takes into account the hundreds of lawyers and exec's who're earning millions each year and the millions of people who're sweeping floors and flipping burgers for £10k a year.

    Simple fact is that if you look at stuff like property prices, rents, mortgages, utility bills and taxes it's easy to see how the "average" family is likely to need to find at least £1,000 per month to keep a roof over their heads and the lights on so, that being the case, it's not outrageous that such people would expect to earn a wage that means that the majority of their income is not immediately consumed by expenses.

    Sure, if you're a youngster living in a shared, rented, flat then you might be happy with £20k a year but we should bear in mind that's just one end of the proverbial "bell curve" and most people are in a different situation and, that being the case, they're likely to have higher expectations.
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    user1234567user1234567 Posts: 12,378
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    Soundbox wrote: »
    I thought that £20,000 was in the 'fair to decent' category these days for semi-skilled work (engineering) however two agencies have told me that is wrong and I should aim for £30,000. One laughed at my 20k suggestion! To me that is too high and people these days don't give wages freely so there is some catch I feel. I have said I thought 20k was about right but they disagree.

    Most advertised jobs are 16-21k 'depending on experience' so what is right? I can't believe there are high paying jobs just sitting about these days.:confused:
    Why on earth would you disagree with the two agencies who want to get you £10,000 more than you were expecting? No offense but if you go into an interview with your current attitude, you will be leaving with a job that pays £20,000 (or less). Listen to the professionals and ask them why you are worth £30,000 so that when you go for interviews you can confidently ask for that much. You won't get it but you should be able to negotiate between £25,000 - £28,000.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,182
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    Not sure what kind of 'engineering' the OP is referring to.

    A telecoms engineer working for BT can expect a starting salary of £21k to around £25k, depending on experience.
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    Xela MXela M Posts: 4,710
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    Why on earth would you disagree with the two agencies who want to get you £10,000 more than you were expecting? No offense but if you go into an interview with your current attitude, you will be leaving with a job that pays £20,000 (or less). Listen to the professionals and ask them why you are worth £30,000 so that when you go for interviews you can confidently ask for that much. You won't get it but you should be able to negotiate between £25,000 - £28,000.

    This is great advice.
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    Thomas007Thomas007 Posts: 14,309
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    lesleyanne wrote: »
    Not sure what kind of 'engineering' the OP is referring to.

    A telecoms engineer working for BT can expect a starting salary of £21k to around £25k, depending on experience.

    Sadly a lot of engineers only end up earning up to £40K-£50K at the top end. Which obviously is still pretty good and well above average wage, but when you consider it being one of the hardest degrees to study with the required A level grades to get into it being the amongst the highest, its quite low, in comparison to other careers with similar grades needed such as Law, Medicine or Dentistry.
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