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End of my tether now - school issue

DinkyDooDinkyDoo Posts: 3,588
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Im at the end of my tether with school.

My son is year 7, started secondary school last September. A short history is that he was moved from one class at my request because him and another boy simply were not getting along and things were getting out of hand. The school moved him to a new tutor group in January this year.

In the new class is a boy who is good friends with the boy from the old class group. And this boy has not only taken over where his friend left off, but hes worse. He hits my son, and when asked why he did it, nearly every time he says its because my son called his mum a sl*g. School simply don't know who to believe and they are telling my son off for name calling and the other boy for hitting. My son is adamant that he has not called this boys mum a sl*g, he admits they have had arguments where he has called the other boy stupid or a idiot, he says he hasn't done this in weeks.

I have the boys mum warn me about my son and how its not her fault if he beats my son up. On top of this the boys mum has a few times had a go at my son on the way to school telling my son to leave her son alone and telling him to f**king pack in it. This was witnessed more than once by other kids, and on a couple of occasions older kids have told me about this before my son has.

So this evening I come home from work and find my son in his room sobbing not just crying but that awful sobbing kids can do. When I asked him whats wrong, he tells me that the other boy hit him again today and he didn't tell anyone at school because the only person to get into trouble would be him.

I can't bear to see him in this state, hes becoming slowly more withdrawn over the last few weeks and he wont go out far anymore either.

Yes kids can be cruel, and im not blind to my sons faults by any means, and he possibly is at fault to some degree, but not to the degree that he is calling peoples parents sl*gs. My son has come home and told me a few times that this boy has called me a sl*g and this boy has also called me this in front of my older daughters. I tell my kids the same thing, I really don't care what kids have to say about me.

This whole situation is getting me very down, i feel close to tears all the time, when I do go into school, I turn into some speechless mess who just nods and puts the odd word in here and there, I come out again feeling like they have talked me out of doing anything much.

Any advice on how to deal with this please, im very close to not sending my son to school at all right now:(
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    AneechikAneechik Posts: 20,208
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    I think you need to go straight round the boy's house and have it out with the mother.
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    ShowaddywaddyShowaddywaddy Posts: 15
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    Hey! Rock 'n' Rollers,

    My advice would be to tell your son to boot the bully in the goolies if he tries to hit him again.
    He'll soon get the message.
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    DiscombobulateDiscombobulate Posts: 4,242
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    I would make an appointment with the head teacher straight away. Explain the situation to them and ask them what they are going to do about it, after all schools do have a duty of care to all the children in their care.

    If you get nowhere with the head teacher and the school comes under an council (ie it is not an academy or similar) then talk to whoever is in charge of schools at the council. If you don't want to do this go straight to the police with a full and detailed account of everything and ask them to incvestigate
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    scott789sscott789s Posts: 1,282
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    Camp out outside the heads office until you get a hearing.

    Try and get the local paper involved, schools hate bad publicity when it comes to bullying.
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    DinkyDooDinkyDoo Posts: 3,588
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    Aneechik wrote: »
    I think you need to go straight round the boy's house and have it out with the mother.

    If I thought she would be reasonable I would, but im fairly sure she wont be, so I dont think it would be productive.
    Hey! Rock 'n' Rollers,

    My advice would be to tell your son to boot the bully in the goolies if he tries to hit him again.
    He'll soon get the message.

    That wont solve the problem in any way shape or form, besides which my son is on the small side and would come off worse.
    I would make an appointment with the head teacher straight away. Explain the situation to them and ask them what they are going to do about it, after all schools do have a duty of care to all the children in their care.

    If you get nowhere with the head teacher and the school comes under an council (ie it is not an academy or similar) then talk to whoever is in charge of schools at the council. If you don't want to do this go straight to the police with a full and detailed account of everything and ask them to incvestigate

    The school is an academy, Im going to speak to school first thing Monday morning and if there is no joy, then I will try the local education authority. The biggest problem with the police is that the whole situation cant be proved, he never hits my boy hard enough to leave a mark, and the boy has already lied at school saying he didn't hit my son and school have taken his word for it.
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    fleetfleet Posts: 11,574
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    If youre have trouble when talking face to face with the staff at school, try emailing them. Tell them that you want your son moved again, and that if they dont try to help your son, then you will write to the Governors. You need to keep on at them, hopefully if you put everything down in an email, you might be more empowered when talking to them face to face. If you dont get the resolution you want, then write to the Governors. Start with his form teacher, then head of year, and head of pastoral care, before moving to the head.
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    DinkyDooDinkyDoo Posts: 3,588
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    fleet wrote: »
    If youre have trouble when talking face to face with the staff at school, try emailing them. Tell them that you want your son moved again, and that if they dont try to help your son, then you will write to the Governors. You need to keep on at them, hopefully if you put everything down in an email, you might be more empowered when talking to them face to face. If you dont get the resolution you want, then write to the Governors. Start with his form teacher, then head of year, and head of pastoral care, before moving to the head.

    Thank you, I will do this, and I think going direct to his head of year on monday would be the best plan. He is already out of tutor time and in a smaller mixed year group for registration and tutor time, hes still in lessons with this boy. The only other thing is there are only 3 tutor groups in his year, and they are mixed lessons across the year group (ability grouping) Ive had meetings with the Pastoral care department and ive had meetings with senior management, but still dont feel im being listened too. they still say its kinda my sons fault. I dont want to go in there and be shouty and demanding things because I know thats not the right way to go about things, but I can well understand now why some parents do react like this.
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    DinkyDooDinkyDoo Posts: 3,588
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    scott789s wrote: »
    Camp out outside the heads office until you get a hearing.

    Try and get the local paper involved, schools hate bad publicity when it comes to bullying.

    Thank you, I wouldn't get the paper involved as I wouldn't put my son through most of the town knowing hes being bullied, I think it would make him feel much worse.

    Camping outside the heads office would be great if i didnt have to go to work.
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    fleetfleet Posts: 11,574
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    DinkyDoo wrote: »
    Thank you, I will do this, and I think going direct to his head of year on monday would be the best plan. He is already out of tutor time and in a smaller mixed year group for registration and tutor time, hes still in lessons with this boy. The only other thing is there are only 3 tutor groups in his year, and they are mixed lessons across the year group (ability grouping) Ive had meetings with the Pastoral care department and ive had meetings with senior management, but still dont feel im being listened too. they still say its kinda my sons fault. I dont want to go in there and be shouty and demanding things because I know thats not the right way to go about things, but I can well understand now why some parents do react like this.

    We have a saying at my school, that youre setting the child up to fail. If hes not getting on with the other child and has admitted to calling him names back, because he feels threatened then hes being set up to fail, and thats not fair on him. The best thing for everyone is to remove either him or the other boy, to another class, where they can feel safe and be in a learning environment. Its his right to have an education and their duty to make sure he feels safe in that environment. Good luck, I hope you get the right resolution, its a horrible position to be in.
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    riversmumriversmum Posts: 664
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    I know it seems drastic but is there another school in the area he could change to? In my experience a lot of schools are just useless. Yes they have anti bullying policies but they're useless, just words to impress ofsted and something they can say they have as if that magically stops all the problems somehow. I feel for kids in this situation.

    I definitely wouldn't go round to the other kids house, that could end in disaster. Do you think it would do any good if the other parents and you had a meeting in school with the headteacher?
    Good luck.
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    LaceyLouelle3LaceyLouelle3 Posts: 9,682
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    Its all well and good moving him to another class again but who says the original boy doesn't have a friend in that class as well. The situation needs to be confronted rather than effectively running away from the issue.
    If its like the school I went to, then forms all mix in together for main classes anyway. In which case he'd likely be in at least some lessons with these boys.
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    EmilyJEGEmilyJEG Posts: 539
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    Make sure you take some notes with you if you think you'll forget to mention things in any meetings you have. It's really sad that he's in this situation - bullying is awful and especially so when the victim is the one who is not believed. I ended up with depression at 8 due to bullies, but thankfully as it was primary school, my Mum didn't have too much trouble moving me as soon as I was diagnosed.
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    jpm1234jpm1234 Posts: 117
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    The school is an academy, Im going to speak to school first thing Monday morning and if there is no joy, then I will try the local education authority. The biggest problem with the police is that the whole situation cant be proved, he never hits my boy hard enough to leave a mark, and the boy has already lied at school saying he didn't hit my son and school have taken his word for it.[/QUOTE]

    Going to the LA will not make any difference. If the school is an Academy the LA have no authority over the school and cannot really help. You need to make a formal complain to the head. He/she has 5 days to respond to you and if you are not satisfied you then take the complaint to the governors. If it is still not respolved you need to contact the company that runs the Academy and also take your complaint to Ofsted. Ofsted will look at it and decide if they need pay the school a visit! The complaint should never get beyond the head as any good school will sort it. Always do it in writing, date it and keep copies. Bullying is vile and any good school will work to stamp it out!
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    DinkyDooDinkyDoo Posts: 3,588
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    fleet wrote: »
    We have a saying at my school, that youre setting the child up to fail. If hes not getting on with the other child and has admitted to calling him names back, because he feels threatened then hes being set up to fail, and thats not fair on him. The best thing for everyone is to remove either him or the other boy, to another class, where they can feel safe and be in a learning environment. Its his right to have an education and their duty to make sure he feels safe in that environment. Good luck, I hope you get the right resolution, its a horrible position to be in.

    Thank you, I hadn't looked at it like that. It's awful I hate to see him like this.
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    DinkyDooDinkyDoo Posts: 3,588
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    riversmum wrote: »
    I know it seems drastic but is there another school in the area he could change to? In my experience a lot of schools are just useless. Yes they have anti bullying policies but they're useless, just words to impress ofsted and something they can say they have as if that magically stops all the problems somehow. I feel for kids in this situation.

    I definitely wouldn't go round to the other kids house, that could end in disaster. Do you think it would do any good if the other parents and you had a meeting in school with the headteacher?
    Good luck.

    There is another school but I wouldn't send him there, I visited it 3 times and none of my kids liked it. I also lived next door to a lad who was bullied relentlessly there and I wouldn't want to put my boy out the frying pan and into the fire, so to speak.


    There is no way that I would visit the mother, shes very aggressive.
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    DinkyDooDinkyDoo Posts: 3,588
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    Its all well and good moving him to another class again but who says the original boy doesn't have a friend in that class as well. The situation needs to be confronted rather than effectively running away from the issue.
    If its like the school I went to, then forms all mix in together for main classes anyway. In which case he'd likely be in at least some lessons with these boys.

    He dont want to leave, he has friends there. Yep the forms do mix together. im sure they could seperate him from them if they wanted to.
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    DinkyDooDinkyDoo Posts: 3,588
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    EmilyJEG wrote: »
    Make sure you take some notes with you if you think you'll forget to mention things in any meetings you have. It's really sad that he's in this situation - bullying is awful and especially so when the victim is the one who is not believed. I ended up with depression at 8 due to bullies, but thankfully as it was primary school, my Mum didn't have too much trouble moving me as soon as I was diagnosed.

    Thank you I will do that.
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    DinkyDooDinkyDoo Posts: 3,588
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    jpm1234 wrote: »
    The school is an academy, Im going to speak to school first thing Monday morning and if there is no joy, then I will try the local education authority. The biggest problem with the police is that the whole situation cant be proved, he never hits my boy hard enough to leave a mark, and the boy has already lied at school saying he didn't hit my son and school have taken his word for it.

    Going to the LA will not make any difference. If the school is an Academy the LA have no authority over the school and cannot really help. You need to make a formal complain to the head. He/she has 5 days to respond to you and if you are not satisfied you then take the complaint to the governors. If it is still not respolved you need to contact the company that runs the Academy and also take your complaint to Ofsted. Ofsted will look at it and decide if they need pay the school a visit! The complaint should never get beyond the head as any good school will sort it. Always do it in writing, date it and keep copies. Bullying is vile and any good school will work to stamp it out![/QUOTE]

    All the schools here are academys, thank you for the info I will keep a note of it all.

    Ps sorry to all for not multi quoting, my phone wont do it.
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    HogzillaHogzilla Posts: 24,116
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    I'd ask to see the school's anti bullying policy. Find the relevant paragraphs then demand, in writing because it is impossible for them to ignore, the governors tell you why paragraph x y or z has been ignored. Threaten to go to the press even if you have no intention of doing so. If it's an academy they will be even more scared of the press than a normal school. Bad PR equals less money for them...

    The sobbing sounds heart rending. I have a son in Y7 too this year. If that was him I'd be in pieces. As an ex teacher I'd also be down the school and aware that especially in these money oriented schools, all they care about is damage limitation and avoiding bad PR, so definitely threaten about the press even if you have zero intention of carrying it out. In these situations I always let it drop I used to write press releases that had a 100% take up rate. That gets idiots' attention. And sorry but the relevant people at this school sound like idiots.

    I'd also get my child to have his mobile in his pocket and press record when the next incident happens. So you have proof.

    ETA just occurred to me if your child is on any social networking sites, and although too young most of my kids' friends are, then check out this child's feed and screenshot anything offensive or relevant as kids often carry their spats over to sites, and if he is on boasting to his mates, you may that way get some evidence...
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    SammmymackSammmymack Posts: 1,145
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    DinkyDoo wrote: »


    The school is an academy, Im going to speak to school first thing Monday morning and if there is no joy, then I will try the local education authority.

    Says it all really. Academies are a rule unto themselves. They are exempt from management by and not answerable to the local education authority. The heads have no one above them and can run the school however they fancy. No need to conform to or listen to anyone. They are performance and results driven as are Ofsted. The former education guidelines document "Every Child Matters" has gone out of the window sadly now education has become big business and children a commodity.
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    claire2281claire2281 Posts: 17,283
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    You need to ask the school if there have been any witnesses to this bullying and staff need to be told to keep an eye out for things between these two boys. There's a big problem from the school's pov if it's simply one boy's word against another - they cannot isolate or exclude the child doing the bullying on a 'he said/she said' basis. Someone needs to see it.

    I suspect, by what you've said regarding them being in ability groups that there is no scope to move your son to another class (without moving him up or down sets which would be daft). However, if teachers are aware of the issues then lessons shouldn't be a problem. Outside of lessons though is far more difficult.

    Explain to your son that this bully is indeed a bit of a moron but he mustn't react back to him because that makes it very hard to stop. It needs to be very clear to any witness that said bully is the perpetrator and it's not a 50/50 situation otherwise it is difficult to do anything about it.
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    bluebladeblueblade Posts: 88,859
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    scott789s wrote: »
    Camp out outside the heads office until you get a hearing.

    Try and get the local paper involved, schools hate bad publicity when it comes to bullying.

    Agree with this. Say your son is being physically assaulted by another pupil and the school does not have an anti bullying program in place.

    Of course, in my time, I'd have just hit the little bastard back. But things have changed.
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    Judge MentalJudge Mental Posts: 18,593
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    You need a two pronged approach. You need to encourage your son not to engage with this lad at all otherwise he will be in trouble. Don't be too quick to assume it's all one way traffic. Your son should be encouraged to go to a teacher each and every time he is bullied so that there is a record of the event. This makes it much more likely that it will be dealt with.

    If you find yourself tongue tied write down what you want to say before the meeting.

    If nothing changes write a letter to the chair of governors starting ' I should like to make a formal complaint'. Sadly the local authority can do nothing in respect of complaints about academies, one of their 'freedoms'.
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    malaikahmalaikah Posts: 20,014
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    I would make an appointment with the head teacher straight away. Explain the situation to them and ask them what they are going to do about it, after all schools do have a duty of care to all the children in their care.

    If you get nowhere with the head teacher and the school comes under an council (ie it is not an academy or similar) then talk to whoever is in charge of schools at the council. If you don't want to do this go straight to the police with a full and detailed account of everything and ask them to incvestigate

    Get straight round to the head's office and read the riot act. >:( Write stuff down if you need to but you need to make it known how you feel and how serious this is. The impact on your child, his ability to learn, ruining his future and capacity to develop good self esteem, confidence, possible mental health issues in a few years time. What the school is 'offering' as a solution is not good enough and the other mother needs to be hauled in as well. Police need to be involved if she dares open her trap to your boy out of school.
    Heavy handed is needed here. Are you a single parent? Is there a male figure who could come with you and get involved i.e. child's dad, your dad, brother, good family friend etc
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    malaikahmalaikah Posts: 20,014
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    Your son should be encouraged to go to a teacher each and every time he is bullied so that there is a record of the event. This makes it much more likely that it will be dealt with.
    Absolutely. He needs to be supported and encouraged - told - that every single time there is any kind of incident he needs to go straight to a staff member and tell them. Also, request that he is given a diary in which he records every incident that happens each day and that he is given the space and time to write in it.
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