Prize Money

BoselectaBoselecta Posts: 1,640
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It appears a lot of very ordinary, dour and frankly uninspiring teams will stay up in the prem this season and get paid tens of £millions as reward.
I reckon the current system of reward based on final league placing is too crude and should be changed to reward points and goals too.
It'd be the same pot of money to be divvied up but would be say, £1 million per point and £1million per goal.
I don't think we'll ever eradicate the mentality that finishing 17th is the prime objective for many clubs but currently there seems a growing gap/gulf between the top 6ish and the rest.... mid-table teams are miles off the pace of the top and quite near relegation. The three "mini leagues" within a league are rapidly becoming just two leagues - potential European spot hunters and relegation avoiders,

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  • celesticelesti Posts: 25,957
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    If it goes by league position, surely it already rewards points. Goals scored shouldn't be a consideration, league position is fine as is because football is more than exhibition.
  • The_don1The_don1 Posts: 17,416
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    Football is a sport, Its not a "entertainment" show. Next it will be a panel of "experts" awarding extra points for style and entertainment. Do we award money for clean sheets as well as goals? If not why not? A goal earns the club cash so why not a amazing tackle in the box? Or a goal-saving goal?

    The better you do the better the reward as in any sport.
  • walterwhitewalterwhite Posts: 56,787
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    Boselecta wrote: »
    It appears a lot of very ordinary, dour and frankly uninspiring teams will stay up in the prem this season and get paid tens of £millions as reward.
    I reckon the current system of reward based on final league placing is too crude and should be changed to reward points and goals too.
    It'd be the same pot of money to be divvied up but would be say, £1 million per point and £1million per goal.
    I don't think we'll ever eradicate the mentality that finishing 17th is the prime objective for many clubs but currently there seems a growing gap/gulf between the top 6ish and the rest.... mid-table teams are miles off the pace of the top and quite near relegation. The three "mini leagues" within a league are rapidly becoming just two leagues - potential European spot hunters and relegation avoiders,

    Why not award £1m for clean sheets then? The aim of football is to win, scoring goals shouldn't be awarded.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,160
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    those "dour, uninspiring teams" just very occasionally cause an upset. Their fans love it, the "glorious inspiring team" fans hate it. I think its fine just the way it is.

    Most of the lower teams accept that they are mid/low table teams and will never break into the top 6 (without some foreign billionaire taking over) but we get to upset a few of the top teams and their fans every now and then so I say leave it as it is :-)
  • DirtyBarrySpeedDirtyBarrySpeed Posts: 1,561
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    I'd like all games to end with a winner, so 3 points or zero points. Penalty shoot out if the game ends in a draw after 90 minutes.

    I remember the early MLS games where a draw resulted in a Ice Hockey style shoot-out during the playoffs.
  • BoselectaBoselecta Posts: 1,640
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    celesti wrote: »
    If it goes by league position, surely it already rewards points. Goals scored shouldn't be a consideration, league position is fine as is because football is more than exhibition.

    But it's all too concertinaed in bottom half. Teams just a few points above the drop will finish several places up the table and under current system get several million extra £s. Current system focussing solely on position is fuelling the "17th equals success" mentality. I reckon it just leads to a lot of "bus parking" and attritional football that's not exciting in the long run and is massively detrimental to our game at a European and national level. I reckon anything that encourages "safe-ish" clubs like say, Villa or West Ham to go full tilt 'til the end and endeavour to get points and goals with expansive football will be good. I'd like to see likes of Delph and Carroll maybe going to World Cup on the back of a lot of expansive and attacking football under their belts.... not battle wearied and fagged out after "dogs of war" football.
  • celesticelesti Posts: 25,957
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    But if you want to start rewarding 'exciting' football specifically you're on a slippery slope, and one that'll be even more detrimental to the English game as the entire concept of defending is thrown out the window when seen as less important.
  • walterwhitewalterwhite Posts: 56,787
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    I'd like all games to end with a winner, so 3 points or zero points. Penalty shoot out if the game ends in a draw after 90 minutes.

    I remember the early MLS games where a draw resulted in a Ice Hockey style shoot-out during the playoffs.

    Even more ridiculous idea.
  • skimminstonesskimminstones Posts: 8,403
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    celesti wrote: »
    But if you want to start rewarding 'exciting' football specifically you're on a slippery slope, and one that'll be even more detrimental to the English game as the entire concept of defending is thrown out the window when seen as less important.

    and who would decide what was exciting? If its just goals and a team start scoring 4 or 5 a game based on the old wimbledon long ball would they be punished for it not being exciting to everyone else?

    SIlly idea, leave it as it is.
  • thegreytistthegreytist Posts: 164
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    and who would decide what was exciting? If its just goals and a team start scoring 4 or 5 a game based on the old wimbledon long ball would they be punished for it not being exciting to everyone else?

    SIlly idea, leave it as it is.

    Exactly. Whose opinion will they use to overrule everyone else's in order to judge what is entertaining. I happen to find the Guardiola/Spain style of play even duller than a Pulis/Allardyce side. Sure with that you get some incredible individual moments of skill due to the sheer brilliance and talents of some of the players, but for the most part it's pass, pass, pass, pass without ever going anywhere. It's each to his own.
  • mattlambmattlamb Posts: 4,471
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    I too have found Barcelona boring to watch on plenty of occasions. Possession for possession's sake, a lot of the time. I know it wears out the opposition and eventually then the gaps should come. But I don;t find it exciting to watch.

    I was more excited by Bayern Munich when they won the Champions League. They are more direct and tend to pass more constructively.
  • DirtyBarrySpeedDirtyBarrySpeed Posts: 1,561
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    Even more ridiculous idea.

    Teams that play for goalless draws are just plain boring and I'd have a penalty shoot out any day over these dull matches. Whatever floats your boat...
  • The_don1The_don1 Posts: 17,416
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    and who would decide what was exciting? If its just goals and a team start scoring 4 or 5 a game based on the old wimbledon long ball would they be punished for it not being exciting to everyone else?

    SIlly idea, leave it as it is.

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  • MaxatoriaMaxatoria Posts: 17,980
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    Just looked and only 7 teams have positive goal difference with man city and liverpool taking the lions share so realistically it would be a way to slap more money into the top third of the table and make it harder for the lower level teams to be able to compete making it a two tier league with the european competitors and the rest who just might as well just turn up and scrap it out to avoid relegation every year
  • alanrollinsalanrollins Posts: 3,045
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    Teams that play for goalless draws are just plain boring and I'd have a penalty shoot out any day over these dull matches. Whatever floats your boat...

    Goalless draw please.

    Goalless draws play their part in making other games more exciting. I defy anyone to claim a game of basketball to be more exciting because an extra 10/20 points are scored.
  • Cantona07Cantona07 Posts: 56,910
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    A tactical battle that ends 0-0 can certainly be really entertaining. Anyone who defines football purely by goals is really missing out on huge aspects of the game and i can only imagine they live on MOTD highlights or something.
  • walterwhitewalterwhite Posts: 56,787
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    Teams that play for goalless draws are just plain boring and I'd have a penalty shoot out any day over these dull matches. Whatever floats your boat...

    Who mentioned goalless draws? You mentioned all draws. Plus are you saying that a 0-0 draw hasn't been a good match?
  • alanrollinsalanrollins Posts: 3,045
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    I hadn't read that but wanting a penalty shoot out after all draws makes his point even worse.
  • seelleeseellee Posts: 10,718
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    I doubt there is enough money in the pot to offer one million per point or one million per goal! You only get around £15m for winning the damn thing, not the tens of millions you are suggesting op!
  • promo-onlypromo-only Posts: 3,315
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    seellee wrote: »
    I doubt there is enough money in the pot to offer one million per point or one million per goal! You only get around £15m for winning the damn thing, not the tens of millions you are suggesting op!

    You are joking, right? With the increased competition from BT and the increased funds from international broadcast deals, the winner this season will bag getting on £100m!

    Last season Man United earned £60m but because there's so much money in the pot for this current 3-year deal, the team finishing 20th will earn over £60m even though they're taking the drop!
  • seelleeseellee Posts: 10,718
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    promo-only wrote: »
    You are joking, right? With the increased competition from BT and the increased funds from international broadcast deals, the winner this season will bag getting on £100m!

    Last season Man United earned £60m but because there's so much money in the pot for this current 3-year deal, the team finishing 20th will earn over £60m even though they're taking the drop!

    You are talking about broadcasting money I'm talking about actual prize money for each of the placings in the league there is a difference.
  • walterwhitewalterwhite Posts: 56,787
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    seellee wrote: »
    You are talking about broadcasting money I'm talking about actual prize money for each of the placings in the league there is a difference.

    Correct. The actual prize money is only a small amount, the tv money is the big money, although it all does effectively come from tv anyway.
  • promo-onlypromo-only Posts: 3,315
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    seellee wrote: »
    You are talking about broadcasting money I'm talking about actual prize money for each of the placings in the league there is a difference.

    It all comes from the central broadcasting funds so it's all one and the same. Yes, merit payment alone was maxed out at around £15m for Man Utd whereas QPR didn't even reach £1m in merit payment, yet they still netted nearly £40m before they dropped down. The beauty of the payments is that every club knows they're going to get an equal share of 50%.

    The way the broadcasting money is distributed is perfect IMO. I'd much rather have it done as it is now instead of having a Real/Barca situation where they take most of it and let everybody else feed off the scraps.
  • Neo TokyoNeo Tokyo Posts: 356
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    I'd like all games to end with a winner, so 3 points or zero points. Penalty shoot out if the game ends in a draw after 90 minutes.

    I remember the early MLS games where a draw resulted in a Ice Hockey style shoot-out during the playoffs.

    I used to watch these on Channel 5 when they had live MLS games.

    The halfway penalty shootouts were so wrong and right at the same time.

    I do love a good penalty shoot out which is why the World Cup is the best football competition in the world.
  • walterwhitewalterwhite Posts: 56,787
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    promo-only wrote: »
    It all comes from the central broadcasting funds so it's all one and the same. Yes, merit payment alone was maxed out at around £15m for Man Utd whereas QPR didn't even reach £1m in merit payment, yet they still netted nearly £40m before they dropped down. The beauty of the payments is that every club knows they're going to get an equal share of 50%.

    The way the broadcasting money is distributed is perfect IMO. I'd much rather have it done as it is now instead of having a Real/Barca situation where they take most of it and let everybody else feed off the scraps.

    Yes, but the thread is about prize money not total money.
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