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Kids stopped from making a den by police

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    Deep PurpleDeep Purple Posts: 63,255
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    Rather bizarre headline. Have the children been criminalised?

    It was members of the public who reported this, and building treehouses does damage trees, which isn't actually allowed. it's nothing new.
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    skp20040skp20040 Posts: 66,874
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    Ok so maybe the dog walers thought something dodgy was going on and they called the polcie ( or maybe they were just miserable killjoys ) but surely when the police arrived and saw they should just have left them to it, unless of course they were actually causing damage by illegally chopping down the trees to make the den or were in any danger neither of which appears to be the case.

    Kids today we complain about the fact they dont go out to play and are sullen creatures who live via social media and then jobsworths and miseries step in when some do just try and behave like kids.
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    skp20040skp20040 Posts: 66,874
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    Rather bizarre headline. Have the children been criminalised?

    It was members of the public who reported this, and building treehouses does damage trees, which isn't actually allowed. it's nothing new.

    They weren't building a tree house but a den on the floor ( thats what I gather from other news sources ) and the wood was from the floor so no damage done, so in this case I think it was a bit OTT to stop them playing.
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    Deep PurpleDeep Purple Posts: 63,255
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    skp20040 wrote: »
    They weren't building a tree house but a den on the floor ( thats what I gather from other news sources ) and the wood was from the floor so no damage done, so in this case I think it was a bit OTT to stop them playing.

    I doubt we'll know what really happened, but if no damage was being caused, they should have left them to it. We don't know what was said to them, as kids can stretch the truth at times, but really, why the hell this is a story I don't know.

    No action was taken at all by the sound of it, other than a warning about damaging trees, which would be fair enough.
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    Tt88Tt88 Posts: 6,827
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    It does sound odd but then we probably have only heard half of it.

    Maybe the location was blocking footpaths or causing a dangerous obstruction. They couldve been using wire or something to tie it together which might cause trouble if younger children play in the area and get caught up.

    Or it could be that the area in question has a problem with teenagers hanging about causing trouble, so a den like that attracting more potential trouble makers might be seen as a problem. Especially so if they were confronted by a member of the public who got a rude answer back and then decided to report them.
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    koantemplationkoantemplation Posts: 101,293
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    Sounds like they didn't get the right planning permission.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 32,379
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    Strange that the Woodland Trust produces a guide for building a den.

    http://visitwoods.org.uk/en/visit-woods/things-to-do/adventure/pages/den-building.aspx#.U1UntVfLVnE
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    StrmChaserSteveStrmChaserSteve Posts: 2,728
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    On a related note.

    Drug search at Bristol Airport performed on little girls' Easter eggs

    http://www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/Drug-search-Bristol-Airport-performed-little/story-20974568-detail/story.html

    The eggs were broken, and checked for drugs, the Airport has apologised, and promised to send the girls, more Easter Eggs

    Welcome to Gestapo Britain
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    molliepopsmolliepops Posts: 26,828
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    They want us to trust them and they plead not enough staff and money to do their jobs and then stop children playing :confused: I know we only have one side to the story but would love to hear why the walker thought this was worth reporting and why the police seemed to take it so seriously. Wasn't it just last summer we saw stories of fathers being questioned when taking their children camping :(
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    cris182cris182 Posts: 9,595
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    On a related note.

    Drug search at Bristol Airport performed on little girls' Easter eggs

    http://www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/Drug-search-Bristol-Airport-performed-little/story-20974568-detail/story.html

    The eggs were broken, and checked for drugs, the Airport has apologised, and promised to send the girls, more Easter Eggs

    Welcome to Gestapo Britain

    Unfortunately people would use kids to do this sort of thing so they do have to check, Broken eggs is not the end of the world
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    kippehkippeh Posts: 6,655
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    We made a treehouse in the woods as a kid. I remember we had to call the ambulance because we made a zip-line with a long bit of rope, and for the handles we used the soft-moulded plastic handlebars from an old toddler's tricycle that we had found. The friction of the rope burned through them like butter and our mate fell around 20ft into dense nettles and broke his leg (To our equal horror and amusement) :D
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    davidmcndavidmcn Posts: 12,112
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    Apologies for the Daily Mail link, but from their version of events it seems the police didn't actually take any action, and all that people are complaining about is the police simply turning up to see what was going on:
    ‘We received a complaint from a local resident about teenagers hanging around in the woodlands.

    ‘Any reports of anti-social behaviour in the area are treated as a priority for the local police team.

    ‘An officer attended and spoke to youths. It was found that no offence had been committed and they were advised that we had received a complaint.’
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    Mrs TeapotMrs Teapot Posts: 124,896
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    kippeh wrote: »
    We made a treehouse in the woods as a kid. I remember we had to call the ambulance because we made a zip-line with a long bit of rope, and for the handles we used the soft-moulded plastic handlebars from an old toddler's tricycle that we had found. The friction of the rope burned through them like butter and our mate fell around 20ft into dense nettles and broke his leg (To our equal horror and amusement) :D

    :D

    Funny think, my brother was just visiting and we were laughing at the things we used to get up to. One of my younger brothers appeared at an upstairs window one with an umbrella ready to parachute out :o

    Den building is great fun, I hope somebody gives the youngsters some stretchy ropes and tarpaulin to make more dens, that's all they would need and see if people still complain.........miserable gits!
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    Deep PurpleDeep Purple Posts: 63,255
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    davidmcn wrote: »
    Apologies for the Daily Mail link, but from their version of events it seems the police didn't actually take any action, and all that people are complaining about is the police simply turning up to see what was going on:

    I thought it looked about the bottom line here. The OP link was extremely sensationalist, and the parents clearly wanted their moment in the spotlight.
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    Deep PurpleDeep Purple Posts: 63,255
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    On a related note.

    Drug search at Bristol Airport performed on little girls' Easter eggs

    http://www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/Drug-search-Bristol-Airport-performed-little/story-20974568-detail/story.html

    The eggs were broken, and checked for drugs, the Airport has apologised, and promised to send the girls, more Easter Eggs

    Welcome to Gestapo Britain

    I've heard stories about how it was just like this in Germany during the 30's. :(
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    valkayvalkay Posts: 15,726
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    Mrs Teapot wrote: »
    :D

    Funny think, my brother was just visiting and we were laughing at the things we used to get up to. One of my younger brothers appeared at an upstairs window one with an umbrella ready to parachute out :o

    Den building is great fun, I hope somebody gives the youngsters some stretchy ropes and tarpaulin to make more dens, that's all they would need and see if people still complain.........miserable gits!

    That reminds me of my brother years ago just after the war. he used to come home with all sorts of ex army stuff and one day he came home with a real silk parachute. we lived in a 3 storey house and he was going to jump out of the top window.
    When we visited my sister in America her son had built a magnificent tree house in the woods, with 2 rooms, carpets on the floor and beds, so we went and spent the night in it.:D
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    darkjedimasterdarkjedimaster Posts: 18,621
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    The plebs should have been out catching real criminals, not kiddies doing something during their holiday, keeping out of trouble.
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    InspirationInspiration Posts: 62,706
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    More accurate headline is "Police respond to call from member of the public". We don't know the circumstances, such as if there is a history of drug use/drinking/anti social behaviour in the woodland in question. Perhaps the locals are just a little anxious about any youths choosing to hang around in the area.
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    sweetpeanutsweetpeanut Posts: 4,805
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    It says (in the other link) the children were told to go home as they are not allowed to play in the woods as they had complaints from dog walkers.
    They were seen and reported for dragging wood into the woods.

    Yes it is a non story, but not so long ago it would have been a non phone call and a non police visit.
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    Keiō LineKeiō Line Posts: 12,979
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    The plebs should have been out catching real criminals, not kiddies doing something during their holiday, keeping out of trouble.
    So you want to remove the requirement that they "investigate" all reports of anti-social behaviour? Let them use their initiative instead.
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    Deep PurpleDeep Purple Posts: 63,255
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    The plebs should have been out catching real criminals, not kiddies doing something during their holiday, keeping out of trouble.

    They didn't actually do anything to the kids though did they? They answered a call from the good old British public, and then decided no action was necessary.
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    Jesse PinkmanJesse Pinkman Posts: 5,794
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    They should be inside playing on their X-box, watching porn and having underage sex.

    When I was a kid every day was outside, running up and down the 'dangerous' chalk cliffs (we never ever used the steps) and building all sorts of camps and dens. - You learn so much by actually doing something: Way more than the current generation know about ropes levers and anything practical.

    We even used to take out small kitchen knives to cut small branches for the camps. Do that now and all hell would break loose.

    Yes of course we fell off things and scrapped off skin but having big scabs was as much a part of childhood as knowing the local paedophile over the road who would invite youngsters up to his room. We just use to call him names. None of this outrage we have today. :D
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    SomnerSomner Posts: 9,412
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    What a complete non story. The article in the OP doesn't even give any real information on it. However this interested me albeit off topic:
    Anti-Social Behaviour Orders (ASBOs), while intended to control anti-social behaviour – have in fact ended up used to get rid of those annoying little people who make noise and mess up our nice, quiet adult spaces. Some fine examples of their application include:

    - A profoundly deaf 17 year old girl given an ASBO and a jail sentence for spitting in the street

    So I thought I'd do some digging...
    Daisy is 17 years old and profoundly deaf. She was issued with an ASBO in the north-east for spitting. She breached her ASBO by continuing to spit. She was taken to court where she was kept in the cells all day. She became extremely upset in the courtroom which ended up with her throwing water over the Group 4 officer and spitting at a magistrate.

    She sounds like an absolutely wonderful young lady!

    Personally I think that there are better ways to deal with the disgusting habit of spitting, however I have no sympathy for her, and I certainly don't see the relevance of her being deaf.

    Now, back to the topic and in particular the Daily Mail version of the story.
    Daily Mail wrote:
    Last night primary school teacher Nicola Booth, whose 14-year-old daughter Becky was sent home from Warkworth Woods in Newcastle, revealed that the police had even checked if the children had Asbos.

    Had checked they had Asbos? Good grief no! You mean the police checked the kids details on their systems, how terrible. I'm sure the DM would be up in arms had one of the kids been in fact a missing person and police had not checked them on the systems.
    Daily Mail wrote:
    ‘The officer involved kept telling me he’d happily come and talk to me but I just think there’s the bigger issue we need to address.’

    So rather than addressing it (as she feels she needs to) with the officer who was happy to speak with her, she felt the best way to address it was to run to the media? How grown up.
    Daily Mail wrote:
    ‘An officer attended and spoke to youths. It was found that no offence had been committed and they were advised that we had received a complaint.’

    Sounds reasonable to me.
    Daily Mail wrote:
    But local MP Chi Onwurah said: ‘Young people have enough on their plates these holidays without being treated like criminals for going out into the countryside.’

    Treated like criminals? Criminals get arrested, interviewed, charged and bailed to court. Did that happens to the kids?
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    Keiō LineKeiō Line Posts: 12,979
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    Somner wrote: »
    So I thought I'd do some digging...
    Thanks, it demonstrates the link to the source of this story in the OP is not to be trusted.
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    CLL DodgeCLL Dodge Posts: 115,880
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    Sounds like they didn't get the right planning permission.

    My sister wanted to have a tree house for her kids in her back garden but abandoned it after learning it would need planning permission.
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