no way, recycling sucks arse, i hate having like 9 bins of rubbish hanging around. All the recycling should be done at the other end, not on my door step. Would like to go back to one bin collected weekly. The EU can stick it's climate change dogma up its arse. It's yet another reason to vote UKIP. The only party to oppose these things.
Our masters in Brussels are looking at legislation now to force everyone to have 5 bins for 5 different types of recycling!!! I hope we vote to leave this disgusting organisation. I am for recycling, but nobody needs 5 bins.
Playing devils advocate for a moment, we all moaned about being forced to recycle back in the day but it's become a natural part of our daily life now. The idea that everything I now put in my recycling would have once gone into a tip is awful.
If the EU hadn't forced this through on a region wide basis I doubt that the national politicians would have ever had the political courage to do it. Maybe these limits would force manufactures to come up with better, more efficient designs.
All your rubbish goes to the same place anyway. Recycling just makes it easier for the council to deal with your 'recyclable' waste. And a lot of recyclable waste ends up in landfill anyway. But, for many people it's a feel good factor, thinking what you recycle is actually being recycled. Personally, I just need the extra bin space. I don't really give a shit about the future of this planet in terms of the human race. Harsh, but true.
If the EU wanted to make a good point, they'd fine government institutions like schools, hospitals, councils etc, which are huge wasters of energy. They'd also fine airlines for being environmentally unfriendly or at least tax them more. The same for car drivers, as cars are about as environmentally unfriendly as you can get.
No ... but I'm not the one who's complaining that they aren't likely to be as good! ;-)
The Hoover brand had some very high-wattage vacuums ... in the region of 2000W ... and although the motors are now capped at 1600W, their range now uses high efficiency 700W motors. Even the new Pure Power upright which looks identical to the previous model has gone from 2100W down to 700W. Why do you reckon that is? If Wattage is king, why haven't they gone for the maximum allowed? After all, the reduced cap in three years time is 900W, but they haven't even gone for that! Do you think that Hoover would deliberately alienate their customers by using a motor which was well below any proposed cap if it didn't do the same job?
The Henry HVR200 (which I have) was 1200W, but even although that's still well below the cap, the new equivalent model uses a high-efficiency 580W motor. Why would Numatic risk the reputation of the Henry range by needlessly fitting a lower Wattage motor if it didn't do the same job?
It ceratinly seems as though manufacturers have have found it fairly easy to meet, and even surpass, the Wattage requirements simply by using more modern, high efficiency motors.
Interesting, but it still doesn't confirm whether the new Hoovers will be as good. I would say the chances will be close to Zero. Based on EU Toilets being excuse the pun Crap. And the Bulbs that came out to replace our excellent British Light bulbs being horrid.
Also, should Brussels be doing this? Perhaps they haven't realised that there is 60 percent youth unemployment in Spain and Greece, and a disastrous economic performance in the Eurozone? Still as long as they can do something about Hoovers, that will justify their inefficient unelected beuracratic job.
Our masters in Brussels are looking at legislation now to force everyone to have 5 bins for 5 different types of recycling!!! I hope we vote to leave this disgusting organisation. I am for recycling, but nobody needs 5 bins.
Well its job creation isn't it, people have to be employed to make deliver and pick up the bins and sort out the rubbish.. investment, eu subsidies etc new tech developed to sort things on the convayer belts, university labs working out what to make out of the rubbish....huge industry..
Well its job creation isn't it, people have to be employed to make deliver and pick up the bins and sort out the rubbish.. investment, eu subsidies etc new tech developed to sort things on the convayer belts, university labs working out what to make out of the rubbish....huge industry..
Our masters in Brussels are looking at legislation now to force everyone to have 5 bins for 5 different types of recycling!!! I hope we vote to leave this disgusting organisation. I am for recycling, but nobody needs 5 bins.
Interesting, but it still doesn't confirm whether the new Hoovers will be as good. I would say the chances will be close to Zero.
The manufacturers could use 1600W motors, but you think they've deliberately gone much lower (700 for Hoover and 580 for Numatic), knowing the products won't be as good?
The manufacturers could use 1600W motors, but you think they've deliberately gone much lower (700 for Hoover and 580 for Numatic), knowing the products won't be as good?
Why would they do that?
Where the lightbulbs that substituted our excellent lightbulbs after Brussels outlawed them as good?
The regulation will only apply if it "facilitates or improves recovery" and if it is "technically, environmentally, and economically practicable".
My Council collects co-mingled recyclables and will continue to do so. Other Councils around the country are switching to fewer bins with co-mingled recyclable collections later this year* because they have efficient sorting systems at the recycling plants. As new recycling plants come on-line, there will be more Councils offering co-mingled recyclable collections.
Bear in mind that the regulations cover all EU member countries, and there are likely to be some which do not have the same systems of collection and recycling we have in the UK.
Where the lightbulbs that substituted our excellent lightbulbs after Brussels outlawed them as good?
No. They were better. Much more efficient, much longer lasting. And of course they will continue to improve as we transition to LED lighting. Outlawing technology that had barely changed in many decades helped to stimulate technological progress.
Where the lightbulbs that substituted our excellent lightbulbs after Brussels outlawed them as good?
Do lighbulbs use electric motors? ;-)
Just because there are technical limitations on one product (light bulbs) does not mean the same technical limitations apply to a completely different product (vacuum cleaners).
Why not look at each product on its own merits? After all, if we're to dimiss things simply on the basis of "previous form", I'd suggest we can dismiss any "EU scare stories" in newspapers on the basis of the sh*te they've fed us about straight cucumbers, the banning of the British banger, and trapeze artistes having to wear hard hats! ;-)
I can see the point in making smart phones that go for more than 12 hours with recharging but kettles are already pretty efficient, if you reduce the energy output on them it will just take longer to boil the water so they end up using the same amount of power either way.
Well, no, actually they did. You should read the report, rather than what some useless news hack said about it. As coughthecat has already pointed out, with kettles the main concern is product durability. In terms of potential efficiency improvements, they considered the effectiveness of the automatic cutout when the water boils, along with savings by reducing the thermal mass of the heating element.
Get to the Crux..... and what everyone is dodging on here.... Shut Down DS ... That'll save with all the electronics connected to it, at least 10 Billion Kilowatts over the next 10 years and with all the Green Benefit. Mind you if all the Hot Air on here could be tapped into, it would definitely self run if not show a surplus to the National Grid.
What appliance I choose to clean my house with, dry my hair with, boil water for a hot drink with, or cut my front lawn with is none of the EU's business! Why do we have to wait till 2017 to have an in/out referendum if Cameron wins the election next year? We should tell 'em to stop interfering and leave NOW!
Like someone else already mentioned, if we're serious about cutting emissions then flights really must become more expensive. How can you take my 1600w motor out of my vacuum cleaner but allow me to fly to Barcelona for £29.99?
In protest i've just opened bioshock and minimised it for no good reason other than for my PC to burn as much electricity as possible.
I see the sense in the smartphone and also the hoover because they are too bloody noisy! my henry does everything fine on high suction but doesnt make a massive roar sound like a dyson.
What appliance I choose to clean my house with, dry my hair with, boil water for a hot drink with, or cut my front lawn with is none of the EU's business! Why do we have to wait till 2017 to have an in/out referendum if Cameron wins the election next year? We should tell 'em to stop interfering and leave NOW!
All of the electrical items in your house are already subject to EU regulations, they have been for decades. Before that they were subject to British standard regulations.
Would you prefer a situation like you find in china where your kids toys are made of asbestos and lead paint and your electrical items have a 50/50 chance of working or killing you?
Even if we left the EU almost everything electrical that you buy would still be designed to meet EU regulations as companies wouldn't bother making a special version just for the UK market when the European market is far bigger.
Even if we left the EU almost everything electrical that you buy would still be designed to meet EU regulations as companies wouldn't bother making a special version just for the UK market when the European market is far bigger.
An excellent point. The dodgy fake market would also be largely unaffected, so enthusiasts for shoddy goods will still be able to get them, either way.
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Our masters in Brussels are looking at legislation now to force everyone to have 5 bins for 5 different types of recycling!!! I hope we vote to leave this disgusting organisation. I am for recycling, but nobody needs 5 bins.
All your rubbish goes to the same place anyway. Recycling just makes it easier for the council to deal with your 'recyclable' waste. And a lot of recyclable waste ends up in landfill anyway. But, for many people it's a feel good factor, thinking what you recycle is actually being recycled. Personally, I just need the extra bin space. I don't really give a shit about the future of this planet in terms of the human race. Harsh, but true.
If the EU wanted to make a good point, they'd fine government institutions like schools, hospitals, councils etc, which are huge wasters of energy. They'd also fine airlines for being environmentally unfriendly or at least tax them more. The same for car drivers, as cars are about as environmentally unfriendly as you can get.
Interesting, but it still doesn't confirm whether the new Hoovers will be as good. I would say the chances will be close to Zero. Based on EU Toilets being excuse the pun Crap. And the Bulbs that came out to replace our excellent British Light bulbs being horrid.
Also, should Brussels be doing this? Perhaps they haven't realised that there is 60 percent youth unemployment in Spain and Greece, and a disastrous economic performance in the Eurozone? Still as long as they can do something about Hoovers, that will justify their inefficient unelected beuracratic job.
Well its job creation isn't it, people have to be employed to make deliver and pick up the bins and sort out the rubbish.. investment, eu subsidies etc new tech developed to sort things on the convayer belts, university labs working out what to make out of the rubbish....huge industry..
We can now put glass bottles in our green bins...
LOL! Are you serious?
Interesting! Do you have a link?
The manufacturers could use 1600W motors, but you think they've deliberately gone much lower (700 for Hoover and 580 for Numatic), knowing the products won't be as good?
Why would they do that?
Meh..... a combination of seriousness and sarcasm
Actually it's 6 Bins. Fu*&ing EU.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2724420/Now-need-SIX-bins-Warning-Britain-s-biggest-waste-firm-new-EU-rules.html
Where the lightbulbs that substituted our excellent lightbulbs after Brussels outlawed them as good?
The regulation will only apply if it "facilitates or improves recovery" and if it is "technically, environmentally, and economically practicable".
My Council collects co-mingled recyclables and will continue to do so. Other Councils around the country are switching to fewer bins with co-mingled recyclable collections later this year* because they have efficient sorting systems at the recycling plants. As new recycling plants come on-line, there will be more Councils offering co-mingled recyclable collections.
Bear in mind that the regulations cover all EU member countries, and there are likely to be some which do not have the same systems of collection and recycling we have in the UK.
* http://www.resource.co/government/article/viridor-wins-dacorum-council-recycling-contract-3259
* http://www.letsrecycle.com/news/latest-news/councils/aberdeen-trials-commingled-recycling-collections
Do lighbulbs use electric motors? ;-)
Just because there are technical limitations on one product (light bulbs) does not mean the same technical limitations apply to a completely different product (vacuum cleaners).
Why not look at each product on its own merits? After all, if we're to dimiss things simply on the basis of "previous form", I'd suggest we can dismiss any "EU scare stories" in newspapers on the basis of the sh*te they've fed us about straight cucumbers, the banning of the British banger, and trapeze artistes having to wear hard hats! ;-)
They never thought of the obvious did they::o
What would that be?
In protest i've just opened bioshock and minimised it for no good reason other than for my PC to burn as much electricity as possible.
I hope it works out for you.
As for the rest.... just silly.
All of the electrical items in your house are already subject to EU regulations, they have been for decades. Before that they were subject to British standard regulations.
Would you prefer a situation like you find in china where your kids toys are made of asbestos and lead paint and your electrical items have a 50/50 chance of working or killing you?
Even if we left the EU almost everything electrical that you buy would still be designed to meet EU regulations as companies wouldn't bother making a special version just for the UK market when the European market is far bigger.
Well yes, it has.
Dysons, for example, dont go above 1400w motors for their products and yet out perform many higher wattage brands with their suction.