why UKIP is the most anti-racist party in the UK..

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  • snukrsnukr Posts: 19,676
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    HillmanImp wrote: »
    The people who would benefit the most by a ban on EU immigration would be working class UK passport holders from the West Indies, Africa and India sub continent. It is these people who lose out most to low wage EU migrants.

    Thus, in effect, UKIP, are the only pro-second-generation immigrant party in the UK and thus, logically, the most anti-racist party in the UK.

    I don't think there is a flaw in this logic. (Not that I would vote for them as I do believe many of their voters are closet nasties - Vote Lib Dem for a fairer nicer UK)
    What nonsense, and in what way is discriminating against EU immigrants not discrimination?
  • snukrsnukr Posts: 19,676
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    HillmanImp wrote: »
    An awful lot of Poles live off Whitechapel High St.
    My local Kebab shop has Poles behind the counter.
    So? I've been in Polish shops with Asian people behind the counter.
  • pcawthronpcawthron Posts: 880
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    snukr wrote: »
    So? I've been in Polish shops with Asian people behind the counter.

    I'd like to teach the World to sing.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,074
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    HillmanImp wrote: »
    why UKIP is the most anti-racist party in the UK..
    Because they are stealing all the BNPs voters. And the BNP are racist while UKIP just want controlled immigration and to count the children born in the UK to immigrants as immigrants becaue they don't like amongst other things immigrants clogging up the motorways, talking foreign languages on trains, the children of immigrants being in schools, immigrants taking social housing, immigrants taking jobs and driving down wages, etc; While western European immigrants like Farage's own german wife are OK.
  • ohglobbitsohglobbits Posts: 4,480
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    Because they are stealing all the BNPs voters. And the BNP are racist while UKIP just want controlled immigration and to count the children born in the UK to immigrants as immigrants becaue they don't like amongst other things immigrants clogging up the motorways, talking foreign languages on trains, the children of immigrants being in schools, immigrants taking social housing, immigrants taking jobs and driving down wages, etc; While western European immigrants like Farage's own german wife are OK.
    Surely the Western European immigrants would talk in foreign languages on trains. And Spain, Italy and even France are in dire straits economically so apparently you're okay with economic migrants from all those countries.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,074
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    ohglobbits wrote: »
    Surely the Western European immigrants would talk in foreign languages on trains. And Spain, Italy and even France are in dire straits economically so apparently you're okay with economic migrants from all those countries.
    Are you saying Farage's rants are directed at his own wife and his own children:o

    It is east European immigration Farage has been most outspoken against. Those who racists would view as not Aryan but Untermensch.
  • ohglobbitsohglobbits Posts: 4,480
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    Are you saying Farage's rants are directed at his own wife and his own children:o

    It is east European immigration Farage has been most outspoken against. Those who racists would view as not Aryan but Untermensch.
    Racists like the Hitler jughead at the head of UKIP. No wonder he has a german wife
  • pcawthronpcawthron Posts: 880
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    ohglobbits wrote: »
    Racists like the Hitler jughead at the head of UKIP. No wonder he has a german wife

    Still hating on the Germans, boss? That makes you a racist, innit.

    (Not sure why you changed 'bellend' to 'jughead', though. Jughead is very American 1950s. Bilko was a racist.)
  • allaortaallaorta Posts: 19,050
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    snukr wrote: »
    So? I've been in Polish shops with Asian people behind the counter.

    I even know where Polish shops have Poles working in them and Lidl's with Poles working in them. Shouldn't be allowed on the basis it causes confusion. :D
  • ohglobbitsohglobbits Posts: 4,480
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    pcawthron wrote: »
    Still hating on the Germans, boss? That makes you a racist, innit.

    (Not sure why you changed 'bellend' to 'jughead', though. Jughead is very American 1950s. Bilko was a racist.)
    Seems to define Farage better

    'someone who is stupid due to being blinded from reality by their own selfishness. It is as though they have put a jug over their head, so they are blind to any reality except the one that pertains to their own selfish existence.'

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  • HillmanImpHillmanImp Posts: 2,874
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    snukr wrote: »
    So? I've been in Polish shops with Asian people behind the counter.

    I don't see why so many people are trying to argue the point. Its a self evident truth.
    Its about 30% harder to get a job if you are not white.
    The academic research is all over the net:
    http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/mar/15/gender.discriminationatwork
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/us/01race.html?_r=0
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-24584855

    Thus, if UKIP stop more white EU people from coming to the UK it will make it easier for
    non-white britons to get a job.

    Why can't people see this? And this is a UKIP/SNP leaning board too (40% of people here, from resent polls are UKIP/SNP or other right of centre types)...

    I do not support UKIP or pulling out of the EU. I favour other ways of ending discrimination. Vote Lib Dem for a nicer UK.
  • allaortaallaorta Posts: 19,050
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    HillmanImp wrote: »
    I don't see why so many people are trying to argue the point. Its a self evident truth.
    Its about 30% harder to get a job if you are not white.
    The academic research is all over the net:
    http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/mar/15/gender.discriminationatwork
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/us/01race.html?_r=0
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-24584855

    Thus, if UKIP stop more white EU people from coming to the UK it will make it easier for
    non-white britons to get a job.

    Why can't people see this? And this is a UKIP/SNP leaning board too (40% of people here, from resent polls are UKIP/SNP or other right of centre types)...

    I do not support UKIP or pulling out of the EU. I favour other ways of ending discrimination. Vote Lib Dem for a nicer UK.

    Keep spamming for a lost cause if you want but the main reason people can't get jobs is they either don't want them or they can't do them.
  • HillmanImpHillmanImp Posts: 2,874
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    allaorta wrote: »
    Keep spamming for a lost cause if you want but the main reason people can't get jobs is they either don't want them or they can't do them.
    Nonsense. Typical middle-class office job - say IT developer. There are about 5 people (roughly) interviewed per job. So you only have a 20% chance of getting a specific job. Anything can knock your chances down. I would suggest the same is true for store manager, even pub bar staff (black people under represented in all these jobs - not to mention firemen, builders, and middle class tea rooms ). If you are black or muslim asian your chances are less - and EU immigration makes it worse for them. Sorry, but it does.
  • allaortaallaorta Posts: 19,050
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    HillmanImp wrote: »
    Nonsense. Typical middle-class office job - say IT developer. There are about 5 people (roughly) interviewed per job. So you only have a 20% chance of getting a specific job. Anything can knock your chances down. I would suggest the same is true for store manager, even pub bar staff (black people under represented in all these jobs - not to mention firemen, builders, and middle class tea rooms ). If you are black or muslim asian your chances are less - and EU immigration makes it worse for them. Sorry, but it does.

    When it comes to nonsense, the posts on this and other threads suggest you have no superiors and very few equals. As someone has suggested, you blurt out your thoughts based on nothing but your own unfounded experiences and prejudices. NO doubt your next soapbox will concern Moslems being under-represented as bar staff. See wot I mean, Harry?
  • HillmanImpHillmanImp Posts: 2,874
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    allaorta wrote: »
    When it comes to nonsense, the posts on this and other threads suggest you have no superiors and very few equals. As someone has suggested, you blurt out your thoughts based on nothing but your own unfounded experiences and prejudices. NO doubt your next soapbox will concern Moslems being under-represented as bar staff. See wot I mean, Harry?

    I don't see why so many people are trying to argue the point. Its a self evident truth.
    Its about 30% harder to get a job if you are not white.
    The academic research is all over the net:
    http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/m...minationatwork
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/us/01race.html?_r=0
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-24584855

    Thus, if UKIP stop more white EU people from coming to the UK it will make it easier for
    non-white britons to get a job.

    Why can't people see this? And this is a UKIP/SNP leaning board too (40% of people here, from resent polls are UKIP/SNP or other right of centre types)...

    I do not support UKIP or pulling out of the EU. I favour other ways of ending discrimination. Vote Lib Dem for a nicer UK.
  • pcawthronpcawthron Posts: 880
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    HillmanImp wrote: »
    I don't see why so many people are trying to argue the point. Its a self evident truth.
    Its about 30% harder to get a job if you are not white.
    The academic research is all over the net:
    http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/mar/15/gender.discriminationatwork
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/us/01race.html?_r=0
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-24584855

    Thus, if UKIP stop more white EU people from coming to the UK it will make it easier for
    non-white britons to get a job.

    Why can't people see this? And this is a UKIP/SNP leaning board too (40% of people here, from resent polls are UKIP/SNP or other right of centre types)...

    I do not support UKIP or pulling out of the EU. I favour other ways of ending discrimination. Vote Lib Dem for a nicer UK.

    More "Black victimhood" nonsense.
  • alfamalealfamale Posts: 10,309
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    If there's even the slightest bit of correct logic or truth to both the OP and thread title then its more by luck than judgement. Farage hugely admires Enoch Powell and his rivers of blood speech. I almost want to cringe using Daily Mail as my source, but for once they seem to be correctly quoting sources, correctly quoting Farage and not using made up DM rhetoric. Perhaps i should have used Torygraph instead? (as they're all reporting this)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2872360/Farage-asked-Enoch-Powell-stand-Ukip-1990s-Leader-wrote-letter-Rivers-Blood-Tory-pariah-asking-help-win-seat-Parliament.html
  • HillmanImpHillmanImp Posts: 2,874
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    alfamale wrote: »
    If there's even the slightest bit of correct logic or truth to both the OP and thread title then its more by luck than judgement. Farage hugely admires Enoch Powell and his rivers of blood speech. I almost want to cringe using Daily Mail as my source, but for once they seem to be correctly quoting sources, correctly quoting Farage and not using made up DM rhetoric. Perhaps i should have used Torygraph instead? (as they're all reporting this)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2872360/Farage-asked-Enoch-Powell-stand-Ukip-1990s-Leader-wrote-letter-Rivers-Blood-Tory-pariah-asking-help-win-seat-Parliament.html
    Obviously I am aware that many UKIP voters might well be closet racists etc, That is not my point. I'm not saying UKIP are anti-racist by design, I'm saying they are anti-racist as a by-product. I would never vote for them because I disagree with their main aim, but nevertheless I can see that less white people means more jobs for non-white people. Its, more or less, a self-evident truth. I find it hard to understand why so many keep going on and on and on and on denying it.
    You are the FIRST to accept that logic the OP and for that alfamale, you should be congratulated.
  • pcawthronpcawthron Posts: 880
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    alfamale wrote: »
    If there's even the slightest bit of correct logic or truth to both the OP and thread title then its more by luck than judgement. Farage hugely admires Enoch Powell and his rivers of blood speech. I almost want to cringe using Daily Mail as my source, but for once they seem to be correctly quoting sources, correctly quoting Farage and not using made up DM rhetoric. Perhaps i should have used Torygraph instead? (as they're all reporting this)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2872360/Farage-asked-Enoch-Powell-stand-Ukip-1990s-Leader-wrote-letter-Rivers-Blood-Tory-pariah-asking-help-win-seat-Parliament.html

    Why don't you read Powell's speech objectively? It has a Gunning Fog Index of 14.57 but please persevere:

    http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/dispatches/rivers+of+blood+speech/1934152.html
  • allaortaallaorta Posts: 19,050
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    HillmanImp wrote: »
    I don't see why so many people are trying to argue the point. Its a self evident truth.
    Its about 30% harder to get a job if you are not white.
    The academic research is all over the net:
    http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/m...minationatwork
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/us/01race.html?_r=0
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-24584855

    Thus, if UKIP stop more white EU people from coming to the UK it will make it easier for
    non-white britons to get a job.

    Why can't people see this? And this is a UKIP/SNP leaning board too (40% of people here, from resent polls are UKIP/SNP or other right of centre types)...



    I do not support UKIP or pulling out of the EU. I favour other ways of ending discrimination. Vote Lib Dem for a nicer UK.

    You are spamming again and still have little idea how to either research or interpret what you read.
  • tim59tim59 Posts: 47,188
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    pcawthron wrote: »
    More "Black victimhood" nonsense.

    If that is nonsense, so is your white supremacy act that you keep try to use
  • alfamalealfamale Posts: 10,309
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    pcawthron wrote: »
    Why don't you read Powell's speech objectively? It has a Gunning Fog Index of 14.57 but please persevere:

    http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/dispatches/rivers+of+blood+speech/1934152.html

    I've read it all a few times over the years incl this week. Although it's not my political view i've absolutely no issue with Farage agreeing with excerpts of it, but to publicly admire Powell and refer to him as his political idol (or something similar, depending which of Farage's actual quotes on the subject you use) is a little odd and doesn't help me understand Farage's real personal views, as it would be disconcerting if they were fully in line with Powell..
  • DrillerKillerDrillerKiller Posts: 475
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    pcawthron wrote: »
    Why don't you read Powell's speech objectively? It has a Gunning Fog Index of 14.57 but please persevere:

    http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/dispatches/rivers+of+blood+speech/1934152.html


    Imagine my shock and surprise to find out you're a enoch powel fan boy. Lol
  • pcawthronpcawthron Posts: 880
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    Imagine my shock and surprise to find out you're a enoch powel fan boy. Lol

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    pcawthron wrote: »
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    I bet you have posters up in your bedroom, and give him a wee nazi salute before bed each night lol
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