The right-wing press are resembling a crazy, stalkerish ex-partner

jcafcwjcafcw Posts: 11,282
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Attack after attack after attack on anything to do with the Labour Party.

It is quite clear that they know the Conservatives got lucky in the election just gone and that 2020 can also go either way.

They are trying to stifle any political discourse apart from how evil the Labour Party are. And that is both scary and worrying.
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  • jenziejenzie Posts: 20,821
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    this a new thing is it?
  • jcafcwjcafcw Posts: 11,282
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    jenzie wrote: »
    this a new thing is it?

    It does seem that every day since the election there has been some thread started here with an attack on either Labour or left-wing politics.
  • LyricalisLyricalis Posts: 57,958
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    jcafcw wrote: »
    It does seem that every day since the election there has been some thread started here with an attack on either Labour or left-wing politics.

    It's typical diversion tactics to take the heat off themselves and the mess they're making of things, only with a bit more focus than usual.

    It's a variation on their habit of bringing up communism, socialism, the loony left, and so on, as the cause of all the world's ills even though centre-right parties have been in charge, here anyway, for many decades. I bet if we're still limping along by the next general election they'll still try to blame Labour for all the problems their policies are causing.
  • Pumping IronPumping Iron Posts: 29,891
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    I wouldn't describe Tory as right and Labour as left. Both are similar IMO.
  • David TeeDavid Tee Posts: 22,833
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    jcafcw wrote: »
    It does seem that every day since the election there has been some thread started here with an attack on either Labour or left-wing politics.

    And that's wrong, is it? Labour or left-wing politics should only be the subject of occasional criticism?
  • mooxmoox Posts: 18,880
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    Lyricalis wrote: »
    . I bet if we're still limping along by the next general election they'll still try to blame Labour for all the problems their policies are causing.

    Labour's still blaming Thatcher today.

    I like how the people who think there's a Labour persecution complex, don't seem to want to tolerate discussion on Labour's pre and post 2010 failings.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 20,096
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    David Tee wrote: »
    And that's wrong, is it? Labour or left-wing politics should only be the subject of occasional criticism?

    I don't think that was what the OP was implying, some how.
  • tghe-retfordtghe-retford Posts: 26,449
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    moox wrote: »
    Labour's still blaming Thatcher today.
    Kinda ironic as every-time I hear Cameron, all he ever bangs on about is the "mess we inherited from Labour in 2010".

    The right wing press have intensified their attacks on Labour, but not because Labour has hit a nerve. It's because they sense blood and a desire to kill off Labour once and for all to allow the Tories to become in power in aeternum.

    Labour is not exempt from criticism of course and I have dished out a fair amount of criticism at them and the Liberal Democrats as of late, but the Conservatives are not exempt from criticism either.
  • GormagonGormagon Posts: 1,473
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    Do you, of the left, ever stop trying to define yourselves as victims?
  • BrokenArrowBrokenArrow Posts: 21,665
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    I think the Mail is embarrassing but I also find the Guardian equally embarrassing.
  • Pumping IronPumping Iron Posts: 29,891
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    Gormagon wrote: »
    Do you, of the left, ever stop trying to define yourselves as victims?

    I'm socially left, but have never felt like a victim.
  • RobMilesRobMiles Posts: 1,224
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    Kinda ironic as every-time I hear Cameron, all he ever bangs on about is the "mess we inherited from Labour in 2010".

    The right wing press have intensified their attacks on Labour, but not because Labour has hit a nerve. It's because they sense blood and a desire to kill off Labour once and for all to allow the Tories to become in power in aeternum.

    Labour is not exempt from criticism of course and I have dished out a fair amount of criticism at them and the Liberal Democrats as of late, but the Conservatives are not exempt from criticism either.

    Margaret Thatcher left office in 1990, which was 25 years ago. The Labour Government only left office 5 years ago.
  • Get Den WattsGet Den Watts Posts: 6,039
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    Gormagon wrote: »
    Do you, of the left, ever stop trying to define yourselves as victims?

    Victimhood is one of the defining characteristics of the left. Victims of the press, victims of the electoral system, victims of cynical Tories, victims of the stupid voters, etc, etc.
  • mooxmoox Posts: 18,880
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    Kinda ironic as every-time I hear Cameron, all he ever bangs on about is the "mess we inherited from Labour in 2010".

    That's because he has a point. That Labour left a mess (and not just financially) is not in dispute. The Conservatives could arguably have done things a lot better in their 5 years, but the problems they face aren't small.

    Labour meanwhile were going on about Thatcher even after she had been gone for years, and they had been in power for the best part of a decade, and while under a supposed economic "boom" that should have allowed them to spend money to fix the perceived wrongs.
    The right wing press have intensified their attacks on Labour, but not because Labour has hit a nerve. It's because they sense blood and a desire to kill off Labour once and for all to allow the Tories to become in power in aeternum.

    That is just a bit dramatic - and let's not pretend that "the left wing press" doesn't moan about the Conservatives at every opportunity.
    Labour is not exempt from criticism of course and I have dished out a fair amount of criticism at them and the Liberal Democrats as of late, but the Conservatives are not exempt from criticism either.

    I would agree, but there are people who think Labour are not to be criticised and who like to bring out the same tired arguments as to why Labour are blameless for a given issue
  • Regis MagnaeRegis Magnae Posts: 6,810
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    I think the Mail is embarrassing but I also find the Guardian equally embarrassing.

    All the newspapers are going to the dogs.
  • David TeeDavid Tee Posts: 22,833
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    I don't think that was what the OP was implying, some how.

    We disagree, then.

    It seems fairly clear to me - what's your take on it?
  • jcafcwjcafcw Posts: 11,282
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    My point is that Labour are pretty much an irrelevance until 2020 and yet there seems to be daily attacks.

    We have seen one Labour candidate withdraw from the race because of fears that his and his family's private lives would be click-bait fodder. We see Corbyn having lurid and factually suspect headlines printed about him as soon as he is a candidate.

    This isn't fair criticism - something I would happy dish out to Labour - but an agenda to discredit Labour no matter how true it is or over-egged. This is not healthy for a democracy.

    Valid criticism - yes.
    Lurid clickbait - no.
  • David TeeDavid Tee Posts: 22,833
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    jcafcw wrote: »
    My point is that Labour are pretty much an irrelevance until 2020 and yet there seems to be daily attacks.

    We have seen one Labour candidate withdraw from the race because of fears that his and his family's private lives would be click-bait fodder. We see Corbyn having lurid and factually suspect headlines printed about him as soon as he is a candidate.

    This isn't fair criticism - something I would happy dish out to Labour - but an agenda to discredit Labour no matter how true it is or over-egged. This is not healthy for a democracy.

    Valid criticism - yes.
    Lurid clickbait - no.

    Labour aren't an irrelevance. They're the opposition and right now, grabbing the headlines because of their leadership campaign and because one member of their leadership campaign is very much on the left of the party.

    The press aren't fair; just look at what they dish out to members of the public, never mind the politicians. But your take that this is happening to Labour is what concerns me here - the same stunts you abhor are being pulled by the Mirror and if you really want to focus on the issue of discrediting, the Guardian is permanently locked into discrediting the Conservatives.

    It's the nature of media. They take sides. They're happy in the gutter. And they don't take prisoners.
  • Mr PerksMr Perks Posts: 1,159
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    The old Himmler axiom of tell a lie enough and the people will believe it is the truth is a principle the Tiories and their media chums practice every day. It goes without saying that the Tories will be deeply unpopular come 2020, they are now and we are about to have the neoliberal whirlwind unleashed without LIbDem moderation. Thus a prolonged campaign to fix in the electorate's collective mind that Labour, whatever they might say, are unelectable.
  • gulliverfoylegulliverfoyle Posts: 6,318
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    you lost

    move on
  • MidnightFalconMidnightFalcon Posts: 15,016
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    Not much interested in Labour whining "poor me" when they enthusiastically indulge in the same game at any opportunity

    It's not just the "right wing press" that think they're a crock of hypocritical sh*t.
  • TassiumTassium Posts: 31,639
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    Much of the media is owned/run by people who really should be in prison.

    The relationship between the Conservatives and big business is a massive corruption waiting to be exposed.


    So, what we have in the UK is akin to organised crime running things, and that's the vibe isn't it? That the UK is Corrupt Central in Europe.
  • StaunchyStaunchy Posts: 10,904
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    Victimhood is one of the defining characteristics of the left. Victims of the press, victims of the electoral system, victims of cynical Tories, victims of the stupid voters, etc, etc.

    Not just "the left" society in general seems to be heading that way, coupled with the permanently offended we are breeding a population of wingers. You'd expect everyone to complain or moan about something, sometimes, but some people seem to have made it a lifestyle choice.
  • MeepersMeepers Posts: 5,502
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    Cry, cry, cry bitter Labour supporters conveniently forgetting the Mirror and Guardian who are just as vicious as any of the right wing press
  • nottinghamcnottinghamc Posts: 11,929
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    Ah, the sound of a dummy being spat out at high velocity. How dare the press talk about Labour when they're an irrelevance. Of course, them being the second largest party might be the reason. Apparently the Tories got lucky this time round, but Labour are somehow an irrelevance until 2020.........
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