I do agree that the air war is having an effect. ISIS hate the fact we can bomb them at will and they die for nothing. Their aim as stated in their recent video is to fight us one to one on the ground. So maybe the price is worth it psychologically.
The air attacks seem to be doing very little in holding Kobani, border town to Turkey.
It looks if it is very close to falling to ISIS. This will not just be a disaster for the Kurds, but a strategic disaster for the US coalition.
Reports say all 160,000 civilians have fled the town, so wouldn't pulling the 2000 Kurdish fighters out and blanket bomb the entire area make more sense?
I'm surprised they haven't used Apache helicopters for certain attacks.
One thing for sure, ISIS shouldn't be underestimated.
When will our politicians learn that getting involved in middle eastern conflicts will bite us up the arsee. We keep providing the propaganda to radicalize people
We created the conditions and environment for the ISIS to flourish. They wouldnt have lasted a week in Iraq when Saddam ruled. On top of that we wanted to remove Assad, which would have allowed the ISIS to take over parts of Syria.
Let the middle eastern countries handle it, they will be forced to fight off the ISIS eventually, as no middle eastern country wants to see the ISIS takeover.
How many more times are we going to do this, invaded Iraq now a mess, Libya now a mess, Egypt - mess, Afghanistan - mess. Syria - mess
Do we not get the fact that we are not helping?
Our intentions was never to help, we keep going there to destabilize the region so we can take advantage of their oil and oil digging, among other things. Mr Murdoch, Dick Chaney, Jacob Rothschild have invested a lot of money in energy companies, war is in their best interests
There are many humanitarian issues going on in South Africa and other parts of the world, yet we never stick our neck in over there, wonder why
We had our eye on destroying Syria and Iran, however it seems the ISIS have thrown a spanner in the works
When will our politicians learn that getting involved in middle eastern conflicts will bite us up the arsee. We keep providing the propaganda to radicalize people
We created the conditions and environment for the ISIS to flourish. They wouldnt have lasted a week in Iraq when Saddam ruled. On top of that we wanted to remove Assad, which would have allowed the ISIS to take over parts of Syria.
Let the middle eastern countries handle it, they will be forced to fight off the ISIS eventually, as no middle eastern country wants to see the ISIS takeover.
That makes such perfect sense. So why don't we do just that? Is it because if they do that, they will lose the contracts/control of the oil deals. Could the West manage without their oil?
That makes such perfect sense. So why don't we do just that? Is it because if they do that, they will lose the contracts/control of the oil deals. Could the West manage without their oil?
We would moan for a while but ultimately we would adapt.
That makes such perfect sense. So why don't we do just that? Is it because if they do that, they will lose the contracts/control of the oil deals. Could the West manage without their oil?
It would be taken as a sign of weakness and also a sign that God supported their activities. Attacks on Western targets would increase dramatically. As with Afghanistan training camps would be provided for would be terrorists to take out high profile or newsworthy Western Icons. Money and lives would be spent on trying to acquire nuclear weapons and expanding into new territories. It has happened before and it will happen again.
It would be taken as a sign of weakness and also a sign that God supported their activities. Attacks on Western targets would increase dramatically. As with Afghanistan training camps would be provided for would be terrorists to take out high profile or newsworthy Western Icons. Money and lives would be spent on trying to acquire nuclear weapons and expanding into new territories. It has happened before and it will happen again.
Even if we stepped right out of it? Didn't have anything to do with them?
So basically, their intention, whether we interfere, or not, is to build their precious Caphilate, and blow the rest of us to pieces. Therefore, we have absolutey no choice but to get in first, and keep wiping them out, every few years, when each time they emerge from under their stones, with a new name, new threats, and new atrocities.
Even if we stepped right out of it? Didn't have anything to do with them?
So basically, their intention, whether we interfere, or not, is to build their precious Caphilate, and blow the rest of us to pieces. Therefore, we have absolutey no choice but to get in first, and keep wiping them out, every few years, when each time they emerge from under their stones, with a new name, new threats, and new atrocities.
Convert the rest of us to pieces. When the Russians withdrew from Afghanistan it just renewed their religious zeal to attack the Great Satan regardless of any help received. They are after all Islamists. They usually get in first regardless and they have plenty of alternative Islamic, Sikh and Hindu enemies etc . One day people will get fed up with them and they will fade away.
Our intentions was never to help, we keep going there to destabilize the region so we can take advantage of their oil and oil digging, among other things. Mr Murdoch, Dick Chaney, Jacob Rothschild have invested a lot of money in energy companies, war is in their best interests
There are many humanitarian issues going on in South Africa and other parts of the world, yet we never stick our neck in over there, wonder why
We had our eye on destroying Syria and Iran, however it seems the ISIS have thrown a spanner in the works
I don't think parts of the Middle East have ever stable and those that are ruled by theocracies and often dictatorships, maybe that what it takes to have stability in the area.
The Arabs had sat back for years while Saddam bombed Kurds, Assad killed his own people and Egypt was also turned into another Islamic State. Just as well Sisi managed to remove the Muslim Brotherhood or they would be helping IS.
It's essentially an Arab War which has been caused by their own inaction.
Will someone please explain to me why Turkey is saying air strikes aren't enough and are calling for coalition boots on the ground. They sit there doing nothing, with the second largest army in NATO and IS in their own backyard.
Will someone please explain to me why Turkey is saying air strikes aren't enough and are calling for coalition boots on the ground. They sit there doing nothing, with the second largest army in NATO and IS in their own backyard.
that is the question. what have they been doing to help
Will someone please explain to me why Turkey is saying air strikes aren't enough and are calling for coalition boots on the ground. They sit there doing nothing, with the second largest army in NATO and IS in their own backyard.
Presumably because three weeks of coalition airstrikes have done little to stop the ISIS advance on the boarder town, I expect Turkey is worried ISIS will advance into their country next.
Ground troops in huge numbers is the only effective way of halting an advance like this, no country wants to put boots on the ground for obvious reasons.
Will someone please explain to me why Turkey is saying air strikes aren't enough and are calling for coalition boots on the ground. They sit there doing nothing, with the second largest army in NATO and IS in their own backyard.
Will someone please explain to me why Turkey is saying air strikes aren't enough and are calling for coalition boots on the ground. They sit there doing nothing, with the second largest army in NATO and IS in their own backyard.
They have a problem with the coalition and the Kurds yet IS are yards away from them now. They are demanding a no fly zone over Northern Syria and without that they say they won't join the coalition. They allow IS recruits to cross their border to hopefully take out Assad They are sitting on a hillside in tanks , doing nothing for the coalition or the Kurds yelling for other countries troops on the ground. No-one wants to arm the Kurds properly in case the weapons get into terrorists hands. What a mess, too may factions against each other.
I know. Are they keen on an IS invasion or do they think IS are their mates having helped them out so much or are they just expecting others to sort it all out for them? They are sympathetic towards the Sunni's of course.
It's madness.
“We will do everything possible to help the people of Kobane because they are our brothers and sisters,” Turkey’s Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told CNN as the town was close to falling on Monday.
However, they would only do so, he added, if there was a broader military commitment by Turkey’s allies to create a no-fly-zone in northern Syria, a move the United States has so far refused to back.
Sitting on a hillside in tanks doing nothing unless they get what they want?
Let them get on with it then!
I know. Are they keen on an IS invasion or do they think IS are their mates having helped them out so much or are they just expecting others to sort it all out for them? They are sympathetic towards the Sunni's of course.
It's madness.
Sitting on a hillside in tanks doing nothing unless they get what they want?
Let them get on with it then!
This is not a good image especially for the 15 million Kurds that make up 20% of Turkey.
And courtesy of their murderous brutality ISIS have very few fans in Turkey.
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How is that possible.
The air attacks seem to be doing very little in holding Kobani, border town to Turkey.
It looks if it is very close to falling to ISIS. This will not just be a disaster for the Kurds, but a strategic disaster for the US coalition.
Reports say all 160,000 civilians have fled the town, so wouldn't pulling the 2000 Kurdish fighters out and blanket bomb the entire area make more sense?
I'm surprised they haven't used Apache helicopters for certain attacks.
One thing for sure, ISIS shouldn't be underestimated.
When will our politicians learn that getting involved in middle eastern conflicts will bite us up the arsee. We keep providing the propaganda to radicalize people
We created the conditions and environment for the ISIS to flourish. They wouldnt have lasted a week in Iraq when Saddam ruled. On top of that we wanted to remove Assad, which would have allowed the ISIS to take over parts of Syria.
Let the middle eastern countries handle it, they will be forced to fight off the ISIS eventually, as no middle eastern country wants to see the ISIS takeover.
We said something similar about Al Qaeda and now we have IS.
Ah so they don't give a sigh of relief then, they carry on being scared shitless.
Our intentions was never to help, we keep going there to destabilize the region so we can take advantage of their oil and oil digging, among other things. Mr Murdoch, Dick Chaney, Jacob Rothschild have invested a lot of money in energy companies, war is in their best interests
There are many humanitarian issues going on in South Africa and other parts of the world, yet we never stick our neck in over there, wonder why
We had our eye on destroying Syria and Iran, however it seems the ISIS have thrown a spanner in the works
The only thing I can imagine worse than ISIS are the Reavers out of the SciFi film Serenity.
That makes such perfect sense. So why don't we do just that? Is it because if they do that, they will lose the contracts/control of the oil deals. Could the West manage without their oil?
We would moan for a while but ultimately we would adapt.
It would be taken as a sign of weakness and also a sign that God supported their activities. Attacks on Western targets would increase dramatically. As with Afghanistan training camps would be provided for would be terrorists to take out high profile or newsworthy Western Icons. Money and lives would be spent on trying to acquire nuclear weapons and expanding into new territories. It has happened before and it will happen again.
I wish we could/would.
Even if we stepped right out of it? Didn't have anything to do with them?
So basically, their intention, whether we interfere, or not, is to build their precious Caphilate, and blow the rest of us to pieces. Therefore, we have absolutey no choice but to get in first, and keep wiping them out, every few years, when each time they emerge from under their stones, with a new name, new threats, and new atrocities.
Convert the rest of us to pieces. When the Russians withdrew from Afghanistan it just renewed their religious zeal to attack the Great Satan regardless of any help received. They are after all Islamists. They usually get in first regardless and they have plenty of alternative Islamic, Sikh and Hindu enemies etc . One day people will get fed up with them and they will fade away.
I don't think parts of the Middle East have ever stable and those that are ruled by theocracies and often dictatorships, maybe that what it takes to have stability in the area.
The Arabs had sat back for years while Saddam bombed Kurds, Assad killed his own people and Egypt was also turned into another Islamic State. Just as well Sisi managed to remove the Muslim Brotherhood or they would be helping IS.
It's essentially an Arab War which has been caused by their own inaction.
that is the question. what have they been doing to help
Presumably because three weeks of coalition airstrikes have done little to stop the ISIS advance on the boarder town, I expect Turkey is worried ISIS will advance into their country next.
Ground troops in huge numbers is the only effective way of halting an advance like this, no country wants to put boots on the ground for obvious reasons.
I think they have a problem with Kurds.
They've been aiding ISIS to fight the Kurds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qARNhiyHvZA
http://www.newsweek.com/isis-take-kobane-natos-second-largest-army-sits-sidelines-275798
Thanks. There was a report from the Turkish border on BBC news earlier and they are still letting IS recruits into Syria
Some ally. Check out the picture in the link showing Turkish tanks doing nothing near Kobane.
http://www.newsweek.com/isis-take-kobane-natos-second-largest-army-sits-sidelines-275798
I know. Are they keen on an IS invasion or do they think IS are their mates having helped them out so much or are they just expecting others to sort it all out for them? They are sympathetic towards the Sunni's of course.
It's madness.
Sitting on a hillside in tanks doing nothing unless they get what they want?
Let them get on with it then!
This is not a good image especially for the 15 million Kurds that make up 20% of Turkey.
And courtesy of their murderous brutality ISIS have very few fans in Turkey.