[MostynDS]

Originally Posted by wwwebber

See it here :-

http://www.youview.bt.com/

Day one sign up for me. I want a hd recorder and I like the idea of all catchup tv in one place. That as well as future linear channels, and services from lovefilm and Sky etc means a big thumbs up to make this platform a success.

Plus the integration with your 8-Track cartridge system and Betamax video recorder too. Fantastic!

[jamcambs]

Originally Posted by MostynDS

Plus the integration with your 8-Track cartridge system and Betamax video recorder too. Fantastic!

IPTV is the future, cannot be compared to 8 track or betamax. IPTV is already very successful with BBC iPlayer

[MostynDS]

Originally Posted by jamcambs

IPTV is the future, cannot be compared to 8 track or betamax. IPTV is already very successful with BBC iPlayer

That was the prevailing thinking a few years ago, but with the advent of mobile apps, social networking etc. Things have reversed. The only way to watch TV today is live, so you can discuss it with your friends the moment it happens...

[Treble]

Apart from the fact that this is an HD Freview recordable box with catch up tv... what are the benefits of it?

The website doesn't really inform.

[jamcambs]

Originally Posted by MostynDS

That was the prevailing thinking a few years ago, but with the advent of mobile apps, social networking etc. Things have reversed. The only way to watch TV today is live, so you can discuss it with your friends the moment it happens...

Incorrect very little tv apart from sport is watched live today. Thats why there has been a big increase of PVR's.

[jamcambs]

Originally Posted by Treble

Apart from the fact that this is an HD Freview recordable box with catch up tv... what are the benefits of it?

The website doesn't really inform.

Not just freeview and catch up tv. Ondemand content too.

[Treble]

Originally Posted by jamcambs

Not just freeview and catch up tv. Ondemand content too.

I suppose the on demand content and catch up TV would be handy.

But what about the subscription tv channels that Virgin and Sky provide.

I wouldn't want to lose them.

It'll be interesting to see how this progresses, I don't think You View is the future of TV though.

[jamcambs]

Originally Posted by Treble

I suppose the on demand content and catch up TV would be handy.

But what about the subscription tv channels that Virgin and Sky provide.

I wouldn't want to lose them.

It'll be interesting to see how this progresses, I don't think You View is the future of TV though.

Sky have signed up for it and BT will offer linear channels via their Youview service too.

[MostynDS]

Originally Posted by jamcambs

Incorrect very little tv apart from sport is watched live today. Thats why there has been a big increase of PVR's.

Incorrect. The resurgence of live TV has been well reported since social media has become ubiquitous.

http://www.totaltele.com/view.aspx?ID=472223

Take a look around the forums you're posting on. It's packed with people commenting in them about programmes as they see them. If you watch Corrie, Question Time or anything else from a recording these days, you're out of the social loop.

I agree, for a while we THOUGHT it was the future, but it's been overtaken by developments. It remains a nice complement to mainstream viewing, but the future, it isn't.

[jamcambs]

Originally Posted by MostynDS

Incorrect. The resurgence of live TV has been well reported since social media has become ubiquitous.

http://www.totaltele.com/view.aspx?ID=472223

Take a look around the forums you're posting on. It's packed with people commenting in them about programmes as they see them. If you watch Corrie, Question Time or anything else from a recording these days, you're out of the social loop.

I agree, for a while we THOUGHT it was the future, but it's been overtaken by developments. It remains a nice complement to mainstream viewing, but the future, it isn't.

So if that is the case then why are people still buying PVR's and still using PVR's.

Also why is BBC iPlayer so successful and viewing figures increasing?

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/homecinema/b...cent-50006680/
Live viewing is in decline:

http://www.videonuze.com/article/wit...al-should-grow

http://articles.businessinsider.com/...-internet-site

http://articles.businessinsider.com/...-internet-site

[Bangers]

Originally Posted by jamcambs

Live viewing is in decline:

http://www.videonuze.com/article/wit...al-should-grow

http://articles.businessinsider.com/...-internet-site

http://articles.businessinsider.com/...-internet-site

Those are all American websites though. Don't you have any links to British sites to back up your claim?

[MostynDS]

Originally Posted by jamcambs

So if that is the case then why are people still buying PVR's and still using PVR's.

Also why is BBC iPlayer so successful and viewing figures increasing?

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/homecinema/b...cent-50006680/
Live viewing is in decline:

http://www.videonuze.com/article/wit...al-should-grow

http://articles.businessinsider.com/...-internet-site

http://articles.businessinsider.com/...-internet-site

PVRs have little or no effect on effect on live viewing habits (as didn't VCRs before them) They simply allow people not to miss something while they watch another live broadcast. I know there are some people who deliberately record material to watch later and skip the adverts but they're few and far between. For the vast majority PVRs facilitate and compliment live TV viewing.

And if BBC iPlayer's viewing figures were not increasing rapidly at the moment, as it appears in more and TVs, games consoles, phones and tablets, it might as well be closed down. It is useful as a 'backstop'. I have it built into my TV, my BluRay and my cable box. I also have access to it on my PC, my phone and my tablet. But I still only use it a handful of times a year, there's no time to use it because there's too much live TV to watch. However if you keep adding people like me by making it available to them, your viewing figures are bound to rise. In short, these people are not using iPlayer as a replacement for live TV. They are using it as an extra tuner on their PVR.

As I write this yet another advert for Zeebox is on TV, they're trying to capitalise on the trend for social media discussion of live TV. http://zeebox.com/uk/

[gomezz]

Originally Posted by MostynDS

PVRs have little or no effect on effect on live viewing habits (as didn't VCRs before them) They simply allow people not to miss something while they watch another live broadcast. I know there are some people who deliberately record material to watch later and skip the adverts but they're few and far between. For the vast majority PVRs facilitate and compliment live TV viewing.

If that is true then I find that really peculiar. Of course family households may watch a lot more live as it is easier than herding cats to get everyone together to watch a recorded programme. Apart from live sport and the odd news/weather upate I watch very little live and even the live footy I watch the first half on a 15 minute delay to avoid the crass punditry,

[DeanDS]

Originally Posted by MostynDS

That was the prevailing thinking a few years ago, but with the advent of mobile apps, social networking etc. Things have reversed. The only way to watch TV today is live, so you can discuss it with your friends the moment it happens...

Of course IPTV is capable of delivering live TV as well as on-demand, and at a cheaper cost than satellite, that is why it is the future.

[wwwebber]

Originally Posted by DeanDS

Of course IPTV is capable of delivering live TV as well as on-demand, and at a cheaper cost than satellite, that is why it is the future.

Bang on. Thats why bt is bringing live tv to the platform via iptv.Also, Sky is launching Now TV. They wouldnt do that if it wasnt the future.

[derek500]

Originally Posted by jamcambs

Incorrect very little tv apart from sport is watched live today. Thats why there has been a big increase of PVR's.

Latest Ofcom figures show that only 49% of homes have a PVR and the vast majority of those are in Sky/Virgin homes.

The PVR penetration in Freeview homes is only 15%.

Most free viewing is still 'off air', the reason that +1 and catchup channels like 4Seven are still being launched.

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/bin...racker_Wa1.pdf

[MostynDS]

Originally Posted by DeanDS

Of course IPTV is capable of delivering live TV as well as on-demand, and at a cheaper cost than satellite, that is why it is the future.

Absolutely right. I wasn't commenting on the delivery method.

I was commenting on the thinking of around 3 or 4 years ago when people (including me) were of the opinion that we were all going to be watching what we wanted, when we wanted 'on demand'.

That hasn't transpired for many reasons, one of which is the limited libraries available on each platform, another of which is people just don't want to anymore. They prefer to watch (say) Dr Who live, and discuss it with their friends on Facebook, Digital Spy, Zeebox etc...

[jamcambs]

Originally Posted by Bangers

Those are all American websites though. Don't you have any links to British sites to back up your claim?

Do you have more than one DECENT link???

Perhaps you had better contact all these and tell them ondemand TV isnt in the increase.

FACT on demand tv is expanding and increasing!

http://www.rapidtvnews.com/index.php...in-the-uk.html

http://econsultancy.com/uk/blog/9726...-in-four-brits

http://mediacentre.virginmedia.com/S...2011-2353.aspx

http://blogs.hillandknowlton.com/row...ean-for-sport/

http://www.utalkmarketing.com/pages/...e_tv_on_demand

http://www.videoadnews.com/2012/05/0...mand-services/

http://www.pluggedin.co.uk/article/a...r-tv-on-demand

http://www.greenfieldscommunications...30_SmartTV.pdf

http://www.thedrum.co.uk/news/2012/0...rity-tv-demand

[MostynDS]

Originally Posted by jamcambs

Do you have more than one DECENT link???

Perhaps you had better contact all these and tell them ondemand TV isnt in the increase.

FACT on demand tv is expanding and increasing!

http://www.rapidtvnews.com/index.php...in-the-uk.html

http://econsultancy.com/uk/blog/9726...-in-four-brits

http://mediacentre.virginmedia.com/S...2011-2353.aspx

http://blogs.hillandknowlton.com/row...ean-for-sport/

http://www.utalkmarketing.com/pages/...e_tv_on_demand

http://www.videoadnews.com/2012/05/0...mand-services/

http://www.pluggedin.co.uk/article/a...r-tv-on-demand

http://www.greenfieldscommunications...30_SmartTV.pdf

http://www.thedrum.co.uk/news/2012/0...rity-tv-demand

I'm getting confused. What link has Bangers posted? Are you following this thread?