I don't recall this, Happy Tree. I do remember him saying that they had never got back what they had in the House, but that's not the same thing. When did he say that that they did not have a real relationship outside the House?
Here is the interview that John gave to Now Magazine.
He talks a bit about Josie - he never says the relationship wasn’t genuine, he never admits to it being fake either but he also says you can’t force things that are not there, you can’t stay together for the wrong reasons and they never got back what they had in the BB house. He says the relationship was in a bad way from January, that would kind of back up reports from the AT party and why JJ moved in. Both the party and JJ moving in took place in February. Even if the relationship statred out as real it had to of become fake somewhere down the line as they were still selling stories about how happy they were in February and March when it is clear now that they were anything but happy.
She has hinted at the relationship being fake often enough, though. He only wanted to play video games and never took her out which made her fat. Or was it that he always took her out to dinner which made her fat? Can't remember..... she seems confused. Then there were the dirty hanky tweets from her friends and family. Oh, and her aunty and best friend at one stage suggested he was gay, didn't they? Now what would they base that on, I wonder?
To me these were just big flags signposting that they were totally incompatible and that they weren't getting along at all. The dirty hanky situation - if true, most men do that (been reading one of the threads on Gen Discussion about boyfriends watching porn, seems most men do according to the FMs on there anyway ). I always took the suggestion about being gay as a response to possibly Josie dissing John's performance in bed or his lack of sexual interest in here - which I always felt was the case, but I also felt he gave it a shot at some point I have said similar things about my ex-husband, although I myself am no Linda Lovelace either
There seems to be a lot of talk of how we "shouldnt" be diagnosing any personality flaws or putting labels on people - as we arent experts
I hope nobody thought that's what I was saying, I have checked my posts and I didn't ever say that; if I came across that way then I apologise, it's just not for me that's all If I knew more on the subject it's probable that I'd be posting similarly myself, but it isn't something I know much about and so perhaps the posts about N come over differently to me, somebody who knows nothing much about it As I said in my post, I have no objection to anybody saying anything at all - who am I to object to anything!
I certainly spend enough time in my own head soul-searching and trying to analyse myself, find the truth about myself, and have done enough of that regarding JJJ in the past and to this day ... so I am hardly the best person to judge other FMs and apologise if it read that way
Here is the interview that John gave to Now Magazine.
He talks a bit about Josie - he never says the relationship wasn’t genuine, he never admits to it being fake either but he also says you can’t force things that are not there, you can’t stay together for the wrong reasons and they never got back what they had in the BB house. He says the relationship was in a bad way from January, that would kind of back up reports from the AT party and why JJ moved in. Both the party and JJ moving in took place in February. Even if the relationship statred out as real it had to of become fake somewhere down the line as they were still selling stories about how happy they were in February and March when it is clear now that they were anything but happy.
Yes this is what I think. That scene at the NTA awards always comes into my head, as I've said before. John grabbing Josie's boob at the instruction of a reporter, to 'prove' they were a real couple. The John I saw in the BB house would never have done that, he'd have told the reporter to F off in no uncertain terms.
I think situations like that had a lot to do with why he stepped away, seeing himself change to the point where he didn't recognise himself anymore - as well as being in a situation that was far from content, let alone happy (from what we saw in TSAJ it was more like a warzone) - it's like he suddenly smelled the coffee, woke up and didn't like what he was becoming.
Of course he was complicit in what happened, but there's at least some honesty in admitting you don't want to do it anymore and bowing out, disgracefully or not.
Here is the interview that John gave to Now Magazine.
He talks a bit about Josie - he never says the relationship wasn’t genuine, he never admits to it being fake either but he also says you can’t force things that are not there, you can’t stay together for the wrong reasons and they never got back what they had in the BB house. He says the relationship was in a bad way from January, that would kind of back up reports from the AT party and why JJ moved in. Both the party and JJ moving in took place in February. Even if the relationship statred out as real it had to of become fake somewhere down the line as they were still selling stories about how happy they were in February and March when it is clear now that they were anything but happy.
Well it was certainly on its last legs well before Christmas hence the split holidays but not telling the fans it was happening (we have to keep em buying the goodies for Christmas, the perfume and the calendars with two Januaries etc)............if word got out they were like Stephen Kings Misery the fans wouldnt have the hook to buy the goodies..............
You cant fake something that isint there - well give the boy his due he gave it his best freakin shot - but the leakage was there even in the early interviews.............(IMO of course).........so I cant put my finger on exactly when it WAS real...........to be fair maybe they thought because the fans had sooooo much invested (and boy DID they)...........that they saw something that the two of them didnt - a bit like my mate setting me up with someone "perfect" for me - who I went out with to please her and quickly realised he was a Glipe............
And maybe they thought they would give it a go for that reason..............or maybe they were told to cash in while the going was good...........who knows..........none of us really!:D
No Muggins, it wasnt you - you in fact said you thought there was no harm...............but read back over a lot of recent pages and its there - we arent "experts" so who are we to do this..............well yes - but we all do this with our friends every day about everything - and here is an extension of that - its not a "real" court - just a bit of a laff innit
Yes this is what I think. That scene at the NTA awards always comes into my head, as I've said before. John grabbing Josie's boob at the instruction of a reporter, to 'prove' they were a real couple. The John I saw in the BB house would never have done that, he'd have told the reporter to F off in no uncertain terms.
I think situations like that had a lot to do with why he stepped away, seeing himself change to the point where he didn't recognise himself anymore - as well as being in a situation that was far from content, let alone happy (from what we saw in TSAJ it was more like a warzone) - it's like he suddenly smelled the coffee, woke up and didn't like what he was becoming.
Of course he was complicit in what happened, but there's at least some honesty in admitting you don't want to do it anymore and bowing out, disgracefully or not.
Im not that far from that view myself - except I wonder if it was ever "there" very much in the first place:D
Big Brother winner Josie Gibson has said that her ex John James Parton was "not really that special".
Josie told Now magazine: "I have only ever been in love with one person in my life.
"That person wasn't John James."
As she said herself I don't think she ever loved him.I do think they had a close friendship and they both decided to make money while they could.
John James couldn't take anymore and he cut the strings on the arrangement.I think that is what a lot of the anger from Josie was about at the time.She needs another person to bounce off .She was seriously worried her cash flow would be interrupted.I think at the end John James looked ill and it was the best thing he ever did getting on that plane.
I do wish he would fess up and stay to hell with the consequences.I was an idiot and I went along with something that I now regret.
I truly feel he felt sorry for her and wanted to help her financially.
I think Josie is a very scary person and I would hate to get on the wrong side of her.
The other thing that puzzles me is the tweeting the bikini pics thing.
Lots of Josie's fans and close friends tweeted the daily mail pics.I saw the tweets.
Some are still on twitter,they must not have got the memo that tweeting the link was now a bad thing because John James had done it.
Before that it was Go Girl show your curves etc or wtte.:p
No Muggins, it wasnt you - you in fact said you thought there was no harm...............but read back over a lot of recent pages and its there - we arent "experts" so who are we to do this..............well yes - but we all do this with our friends every day about everything - and here is an extension of that - its not a "real" court - just a bit of a laff innit
it is innit I always call it my hobby - DS in general, not just this thread
Big Brother winner Josie Gibson has said that her ex John James Parton was "not really that special".
Josie told Now magazine: "I have only ever been in love with one person in my life.
"That person wasn't John James."
Has she forgotten that he was the "bestest boyfriend evvvvvvver" ..........wasnt she talking about having sprogs and dogs with him for freak sake......
....all this psychobabble (from me as much as anyone if not more:D).............and it really boils down to the fact that the woman spouts more crud than Linda Blair in full head spinning mode................
So who is this one person she loved........was it the "horrid control freak who made her have the abortion"...surely he couldnt have been that "speshul" either:rolleyes:.......surely we would have heard about this wonderful hunk of humanity by now
Oh and by the terminology if its a recent interview she doesnt love Lukeyboy either:eek:
Has she forgotten that he was the "bestest boyfriend evvvvvvver" ..........wasnt she talking about having sprogs and dogs with him for freak sake......
....all this psychobabble (from me as much as anyone if not more:D).............and it really boils down to the fact that the woman spouts more crud than Linda Blair in full head spinning mode................
So who is this one person she loved........was it the "horrid control freak who made her have the abortion"...surely he couldnt have been that "speshul" either:rolleyes:.......surely we would have heard about this wonderful hunk of humanity by now
Oh and by the terminology if its a recent interview she doesnt love Lukeyboy either:eek:
The article was from July 2011.
I think she means the one she tasered and smashed his car up, the millionaire that cheated on her,made her have an abortion,asked her to marry him while in the same month he got a Thai woman pregnant , she either was with him for two years or five years.:D
Josie won't admit that the relationship is fake because that would be her admitting that the reason she has fans amounts to a pack of LIES. There are about four people, from what I recall, who posted on the Josie Appreciation thread every now and again. But the JJJ thread - well that was, in its heyday, a DS phenomenon. The 'relationship' was what won her BB and her avid fanbase.
She has hinted at the relationship being fake often enough, though. He only wanted to play video games and never took her out which made her fat. Or was it that he always took her out to dinner which made her fat? Can't remember..... she seems confused. Then there were the dirty hanky tweets from her friends and family. Oh, and her aunty and best friend at one stage suggested he was gay, didn't they? Now what would they base that on, I wonder?
maybe but that logic doesnt seem to have stopped her saying other things......
other things that are also contradictory and confusing? And now it doesnt seem as if she and a lot of her fans wants to acknowledge the success of JJJ, and would prefer to look back on her time in BB by herself....
on one level I am surprised that Josie hasnt said anything really about the break up......cos she has made money from talking about almost every other area of her life.....
and I would have thought that she could have spun...and created a story about the break up....six months to a year after they broke up....
the fact she hasnt, does make me think that the relationship was genuine at the start and did involve her actual feelings...
but who really knows.???.
that NOW article by John is very interesting...cos re reading it a year later...with a different mind set makes it read very differently to the way I first read it....
I think the whole idea of him cheating, and him vigourously denying it...spun that article away from its original intention....
cos in that article its fairly clear in my opinion, that John is saying it was a genuine relationship and not fake, but that it just didnt work out....and that they were having major problems by the january.....
maybe but that logic doesnt seem to have stopped her saying other things......
other things that are also contradictory and confusing? And now it doesnt seem as if she and a lot of her fans wants to acknowledge the success of JJJ, and would prefer to look back on her time in BB by herself....
on one level I am surprised that Josie hasnt said anything really about the break up......cos she has made money from talking about almost every other area of her life.....
and I would have thought that she could have spun...and created a story about the break up....six months to a year after they broke up....
the fact she hasnt, does make me think that the relationship was genuine and did involve her actual feelings...
The only problem there, is that there is another side to the spinny spun story sitting on the other side of the world but knowing full well what is being said.
Whatever the truth of it, I think she is keeping quiet about JJJ because she has to. If so much as a whisper arrived to the JJ part of it, it would be pistols at dawn and it wouldn't be pretty (interesting , but not pretty)
The only problem there, is that there is another side to the spinny spun story sitting on the other side of the world but knowing full well what is being said.
Whatever the truth of it, I think she is keeping quiet about JJJ because she has to. If so much as a whisper arrived to the JJ part of it, it would be pistols at dawn and it wouldn't be pretty (interesting , but not pretty)
ok maybe that is a relevant point.....
but .. so far .he has avoided saying very much at all.....
and if she gave a truthful version, then he wouldnt really have much of a leg to stand on.... but I do see what you mean about the imaginative versions that she might feel like saying....
by the way .....I read one of Josie s tweets that seemed to imply that she wouldnt be writing any more NOW articles ...is this true or was I just reading more into it than it actually said....?
No Muggins, it wasnt you - you in fact said you thought there was no harm...............but read back over a lot of recent pages and its there - we arent "experts" so who are we to do this..............well yes - but we all do this with our friends every day about everything - and here is an extension of that - its not a "real" court - just a bit of a laff innit
Id agree with this comment completely ........
just as long as everyone visiting also realises that this thread is intended as being a bit of a laff and not to be taken too seriously......
fascinating comment ...on a previous page about where John and Josie are now vis a vis their relationship now.....
Ive got no idea, obviously they were both pretty angry/upset with the other, and I cant tell whether or not they would be prepared to bury the hatchet and move on...
but I do think things like the twitter spat between Mark the bodyguard and Josie, might be fairly indicative of the current state of affairs, especially if John is still in contact with Mark and talking ot him on fb etc....and they havent really had enough contact on a casual or daily basis to allow them to resolve anything or build a new polite relationship....( maybe im misreading this, but they live so far away, and dont seem to have had that much contact.....).
just as long as everyone visiting also realises that this thread is intended as being a bit of a laff and not to be taken too seriously......[/QUOTE]
I wonder if that was true of the original poster who set up the thread - don't think that they were just meaning to have 'a bit of a laff' (sic) ... I think there was a fairly serious intent at the beginning - and a real disbelief that quite so many people could have been taken in by something perceived by many of the original posters as pretty transparently dodgy ...
The article was from July 2011.
I think she means the one she tasered and smashed his car up, the millionaire that cheated on her,made her have an abortion,asked her to marry him while in the same month he got a Thai woman pregnant , she either was with him for two years or five years.:D
Be still my beating heart, what a catch :rolleyes:
I wonder if that was true of the original poster who set up the thread - don't think that they were just meaning to have 'a bit of a laff' (sic) ... I think there was a fairly serious intent at the beginning - and a real disbelief that quite so many people could have been taken in by something perceived by many of the original posters as pretty transparently dodgy ...
Wasn't it the case that the OP was a JJJ believer at the time? I got the impression she wanted all those that were disbelievers to put their money where their mouth was, so to speak, seeing as the MF was full of doubters? I could be wrong, but I thought I'd read a few times that the OP was defence material
but .. so far .he has avoided saying very much at all.....
and if she gave a truthful version, then he wouldnt really have much of a leg to stand on.... but I do see what you mean about the imaginative versions that she might feel like saying....
by the way .....I read one of Josie s tweets that seemed to imply that she wouldnt be writing any more NOW articles ...is this true or was I just reading more into it than it actually said....?
I imagine, as is so often said on other threads, there's his truth, her truth and THE truth. It'd be fascinating to hear both of their accounts and see how they differ.
by the way .....I read one of Josie s tweets that seemed to imply that she wouldnt be writing any more NOW articles ...is this true or was I just reading more into it than it actually said....?
I thought she had just been given a full page to herself, which started last week. Perhaps you mis-read Just Josie it's called isn't it... takes me back to the days of Just Jack in Will & Grace *jazz hands*
just as long as everyone visiting also realises that this thread is intended as being a bit of a laff and not to be taken too seriously......[/QUOTE]
I wonder if that was true of the original poster who set up the thread - don't think that they were just meaning to have 'a bit of a laff' (sic) ... I think there was a fairly serious intent at the beginning - and a real disbelief that quite so many people could have been taken in by something perceived by many of the original posters as pretty transparently dodgy ...
Though surely if the original poster was adamant it was so transparent and obvious, why would they want to discuss it in any serious way? That to me suggests an element of doubt?
I thought she had just been given a full page to herself, which started last week. Perhaps you mis-read Just Josie it's called isn't it... takes me back to the days of Just Jack in Will & Grace *jazz hands*
Ah, loved will and grace! the early series anyway!
Wasn't it the case that the OP was a JJJ believer at the time? I got the impression she wanted all those that were disbelievers to put their money where their mouth was, so to speak, seeing as the MF was full of doubters? I could be wrong, but I thought I'd read a few times that the OP was defence material
Yeah ... I see what you mean ... still think that on both sides it was more than 'a bit of a laff' ... it was bright and sparky but well argued and serious ... great stuff came forth ...
Yeah ... I see what you mean ... still think that on both sides it was more than 'a bit of a laff' ... it was bright and sparky but well argued and serious ... great stuff came forth ...
lol you're sounding like those of us who bemoan the demise of the JJJAT's glory days (although you may think it had none )
I enjoy this thread very much, and although it's not the solution to world piece , I take my posts seriously in that I enjoy putting forward my thoughts and opinions on matters that arise as honestly and openly as I can, and always enjoy having a laugh too I know I wasn't around at the beginning. I can imagine it was pretty heated knowing some of the people that were very defensive of JJJ (myself included) who aren't around anymore and certainly have no interest whatsoever in whatever J or JJ are up to. I am a latecomer to the proceedings.
I do remember him saying that they had never got back what they had in the House, but that's not the same thing
Not in so many words, but getting something back means restoring it to a better state. It certainly doesn't mean going back to a worse one. So this means that what they had in the house was better than what they had outside of it. And what they had in the house was not close enough to be called a romantic, sexual or loving "proper relationship" as sold to the fans quite specifically thereafter.
Therefore, using a tiny bit of logic, one can easily conclude that they never had a relationship. John doesn't need to say the words "You're right, it was fake," he only needed to say that the house was the height of their closeness. And as we all saw, they were not in a relationship in there.
Seems quite clear to me anyway. John said "BB house was as good as it got."
As for "diagnosing", the person who was doing this was at pains to point out he/she was not doing this and was only offering an opinion based on the behaviour they were able to see.
As long as one's opinion remains fluid and open to change then there is nothing wrong with having one. I don't see it as diagnosing or judging at all. Our brains are supposed to make evaluations based on the sources at hand, that's what they are designed to do
Have only just caught up on the discussions. Back to work so not much time to post!
Thanks Happy Tree. As you say I was at pains to stress that my posts were my opinion based on what is now 'significant' evidence. Having read this thread on & off over the months I've seen far more forthright & definite diagnosis in relation to Josie. I will post again my first contribution as I think this sums up my opinions on the whole issue.
With regard to John & his Now interview. My suspicion (that is all it is!) is that John was being 'set up' as being gay or the insinuation was going to played very heavily as an 'out' for Josie when the relationship was called to an end. There was far too much stuff on tv show/social media for it all to be just co-incidence. I think this is at the root of the intense anger John feels for Josie. This flows into Sherrie relationship. I've no idea if this was a rebound I'll show you (& folks in UK) I'm not gay or she was just a friend. What better way to put a total stop to Josie/Agent pursuing this route than produce a girlfriend - better to be a cad than gay! (Ask Simon!!) As I say only my opinion - but it explains the sudden girlfriend which for me seemed so out of character.
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Here is the interview that John gave to Now Magazine.
He talks a bit about Josie - he never says the relationship wasn’t genuine, he never admits to it being fake either but he also says you can’t force things that are not there, you can’t stay together for the wrong reasons and they never got back what they had in the BB house. He says the relationship was in a bad way from January, that would kind of back up reports from the AT party and why JJ moved in. Both the party and JJ moving in took place in February. Even if the relationship statred out as real it had to of become fake somewhere down the line as they were still selling stories about how happy they were in February and March when it is clear now that they were anything but happy.
To me these were just big flags signposting that they were totally incompatible and that they weren't getting along at all. The dirty hanky situation - if true, most men do that (been reading one of the threads on Gen Discussion about boyfriends watching porn, seems most men do according to the FMs on there anyway
I hope nobody thought that's what I was saying, I have checked my posts and I didn't ever say that; if I came across that way then I apologise, it's just not for me that's all
I certainly spend enough time in my own head soul-searching and trying to analyse myself, find the truth about myself, and have done enough of that regarding JJJ in the past and to this day ... so I am hardly the best person to judge other FMs and apologise if it read that way
Yes this is what I think. That scene at the NTA awards always comes into my head, as I've said before. John grabbing Josie's boob at the instruction of a reporter, to 'prove' they were a real couple. The John I saw in the BB house would never have done that, he'd have told the reporter to F off in no uncertain terms.
I think situations like that had a lot to do with why he stepped away, seeing himself change to the point where he didn't recognise himself anymore - as well as being in a situation that was far from content, let alone happy (from what we saw in TSAJ it was more like a warzone) - it's like he suddenly smelled the coffee, woke up and didn't like what he was becoming.
Of course he was complicit in what happened, but there's at least some honesty in admitting you don't want to do it anymore and bowing out, disgracefully or not.
Well it was certainly on its last legs well before Christmas hence the split holidays but not telling the fans it was happening (we have to keep em buying the goodies for Christmas, the perfume and the calendars with two Januaries etc)............if word got out they were like Stephen Kings Misery the fans wouldnt have the hook to buy the goodies..............
You cant fake something that isint there - well give the boy his due he gave it his best freakin shot - but the leakage was there even in the early interviews.............(IMO of course).........so I cant put my finger on exactly when it WAS real...........to be fair maybe they thought because the fans had sooooo much invested (and boy DID they)...........that they saw something that the two of them didnt - a bit like my mate setting me up with someone "perfect" for me - who I went out with to please her and quickly realised he was a Glipe............
And maybe they thought they would give it a go for that reason..............or maybe they were told to cash in while the going was good...........who knows..........none of us really!:D
No Muggins, it wasnt you - you in fact said you thought there was no harm...............but read back over a lot of recent pages and its there - we arent "experts" so who are we to do this..............well yes - but we all do this with our friends every day about everything - and here is an extension of that - its not a "real" court - just a bit of a laff innit
Im not that far from that view myself - except I wonder if it was ever "there" very much in the first place:D
As she said herself I don't think she ever loved him.I do think they had a close friendship and they both decided to make money while they could.
John James couldn't take anymore and he cut the strings on the arrangement.I think that is what a lot of the anger from Josie was about at the time.She needs another person to bounce off .She was seriously worried her cash flow would be interrupted.I think at the end John James looked ill and it was the best thing he ever did getting on that plane.
I do wish he would fess up and stay to hell with the consequences.I was an idiot and I went along with something that I now regret.
I truly feel he felt sorry for her and wanted to help her financially.
I think Josie is a very scary person and I would hate to get on the wrong side of her.
The other thing that puzzles me is the tweeting the bikini pics thing.
Lots of Josie's fans and close friends tweeted the daily mail pics.I saw the tweets.
Some are still on twitter,they must not have got the memo that tweeting the link was now a bad thing because John James had done it.
Before that it was Go Girl show your curves etc or wtte.:p
Has she forgotten that he was the "bestest boyfriend evvvvvvver" ..........wasnt she talking about having sprogs and dogs with him for freak sake......
....all this psychobabble (from me as much as anyone if not more:D).............and it really boils down to the fact that the woman spouts more crud than Linda Blair in full head spinning mode................
So who is this one person she loved........was it the "horrid control freak who made her have the abortion"...surely he couldnt have been that "speshul" either:rolleyes:.......surely we would have heard about this wonderful hunk of humanity by now
Oh and by the terminology if its a recent interview she doesnt love Lukeyboy either:eek:
http://www.nowmagazine.co.uk/celebrity-news/tv-news/529344/josie-gibson-i-ve-only-been-in-love-once-and-it-wasn-t-with-john-james-parton/1
The article was from July 2011.
I think she means the one she tasered and smashed his car up, the millionaire that cheated on her,made her have an abortion,asked her to marry him while in the same month he got a Thai woman pregnant , she either was with him for two years or five years.:D
maybe but that logic doesnt seem to have stopped her saying other things......
other things that are also contradictory and confusing? And now it doesnt seem as if she and a lot of her fans wants to acknowledge the success of JJJ, and would prefer to look back on her time in BB by herself....
on one level I am surprised that Josie hasnt said anything really about the break up......cos she has made money from talking about almost every other area of her life.....
and I would have thought that she could have spun...and created a story about the break up....six months to a year after they broke up....
the fact she hasnt, does make me think that the relationship was genuine at the start and did involve her actual feelings...
but who really knows.???.
that NOW article by John is very interesting...cos re reading it a year later...with a different mind set makes it read very differently to the way I first read it....
I think the whole idea of him cheating, and him vigourously denying it...spun that article away from its original intention....
cos in that article its fairly clear in my opinion, that John is saying it was a genuine relationship and not fake, but that it just didnt work out....and that they were having major problems by the january.....
The only problem there, is that there is another side to the spinny spun story sitting on the other side of the world but knowing full well what is being said.
Whatever the truth of it, I think she is keeping quiet about JJJ because she has to. If so much as a whisper arrived to the JJ part of it, it would be pistols at dawn and it wouldn't be pretty (interesting
ok maybe that is a relevant point.....
but .. so far .he has avoided saying very much at all.....
and if she gave a truthful version, then he wouldnt really have much of a leg to stand on.... but I do see what you mean about the imaginative versions that she might feel like saying....
by the way .....I read one of Josie s tweets that seemed to imply that she wouldnt be writing any more NOW articles ...is this true or was I just reading more into it than it actually said....?
Id agree with this comment completely ........
just as long as everyone visiting also realises that this thread is intended as being a bit of a laff and not to be taken too seriously......
Ive got no idea, obviously they were both pretty angry/upset with the other, and I cant tell whether or not they would be prepared to bury the hatchet and move on...
but I do think things like the twitter spat between Mark the bodyguard and Josie, might be fairly indicative of the current state of affairs, especially if John is still in contact with Mark and talking ot him on fb etc....and they havent really had enough contact on a casual or daily basis to allow them to resolve anything or build a new polite relationship....( maybe im misreading this, but they live so far away, and dont seem to have had that much contact.....).
Be still my beating heart, what a catch
Wasn't it the case that the OP was a JJJ believer at the time? I got the impression she wanted all those that were disbelievers to put their money where their mouth was, so to speak, seeing as the MF was full of doubters? I could be wrong, but I thought I'd read a few times that the OP was defence material
I imagine, as is so often said on other threads, there's his truth, her truth and THE truth. It'd be fascinating to hear both of their accounts and see how they differ.
I thought she had just been given a full page to herself, which started last week. Perhaps you mis-read
Ah, loved will and grace! the early series anyway!
Yeah ... I see what you mean ... still think that on both sides it was more than 'a bit of a laff' ... it was bright and sparky but well argued and serious ... great stuff came forth ...
lol you're sounding like those of us who bemoan the demise of the JJJAT's glory days
I enjoy this thread very much, and although it's not the solution to world piece
Therefore, using a tiny bit of logic, one can easily conclude that they never had a relationship. John doesn't need to say the words "You're right, it was fake," he only needed to say that the house was the height of their closeness. And as we all saw, they were not in a relationship in there.
Seems quite clear to me anyway. John said "BB house was as good as it got."
Have only just caught up on the discussions. Back to work so not much time to post!
Thanks Happy Tree. As you say I was at pains to stress that my posts were my opinion based on what is now 'significant' evidence. Having read this thread on & off over the months I've seen far more forthright & definite diagnosis in relation to Josie. I will post again my first contribution as I think this sums up my opinions on the whole issue.
With regard to John & his Now interview. My suspicion (that is all it is!) is that John was being 'set up' as being gay or the insinuation was going to played very heavily as an 'out' for Josie when the relationship was called to an end. There was far too much stuff on tv show/social media for it all to be just co-incidence. I think this is at the root of the intense anger John feels for Josie. This flows into Sherrie relationship. I've no idea if this was a rebound I'll show you (& folks in UK) I'm not gay or she was just a friend. What better way to put a total stop to Josie/Agent pursuing this route than produce a girlfriend - better to be a cad than gay! (Ask Simon!!) As I say only my opinion - but it explains the sudden girlfriend which for me seemed so out of character.