Scientology now recognised as a religion in the UK

The DoveThe Dove Posts: 1,221
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News is just coming from the Supreme Court that Scientology has won it's case to be officially recognised as a real religion in the UK.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25331754
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  • Thunder LipsThunder Lips Posts: 1,660
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    Makes sense, it's no more barmy than many of the other beliefs out there that are officially recognized.
  • LucyconLucycon Posts: 203
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    The Dove wrote: »
    News is just coming from the Supreme Court that Scientology has won it's case to be officially recognised as a real religion in the UK.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25331754

    It's not about the UK allowing Scientology as a religion though, it's about licensing their chapel as a place for the solemnisation of marriage. If it was to be recognised as a religion, it would presumably have to go through Parliament, not the Supreme Court.
    The court said it was not the job of the Registrar General of Births, Marriages and Deaths to venture into "fine theological or liturgical niceties" and declared that the Scientology chapel should be recorded as a place for the solemnisation of marriages.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25331754
  • MoggioMoggio Posts: 4,289
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    Scientology is not a religion it's a pyramid scheme.

    Awful if it can now qualify for tax exemption in the UK.
  • SJ_MentalSJ_Mental Posts: 16,138
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    Oh joy so will the personality test be a part of the R E national curriculum?
  • CSJBCSJB Posts: 6,188
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    Makes sense, it's no more barmy than many of the other beliefs out there that are officially recognized.

    Indeed.
    It always amuses me when religious people look down on Scientology because its all made up :D
  • NortherlyNortherly Posts: 1,232
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    Its the same as any religion, made up and then worshiped by the sheeple

    i can see how it won
  • SJ_MentalSJ_Mental Posts: 16,138
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    Shouldn't this be in cult?
  • TheSilentFezTheSilentFez Posts: 11,103
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    Cult...religion...there's not much difference between the two.
  • ElyanElyan Posts: 8,781
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    Bunch of cults.
  • The DoveThe Dove Posts: 1,221
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    Some of you are missing the point. This case has never been about religion, it's about the tax breaks religious status brings.

    If this stands, UK taxpayers will be funding an organisation which is accused of a long list of illegal activity.

    Oh and you can forget about criticising it since they'll also be claiming protection under laws against religious hatred.

    I do not oppose this cult on the grounds of belief, it's about the abuses.
  • RadiomaniacRadiomaniac Posts: 43,510
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    It's as daft as all the others.

    Bad thing is, that it may now be seen as a 'hate crime' to criticise this bunch of idiots.
  • Thunder LipsThunder Lips Posts: 1,660
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    The Dove wrote: »
    Some of you are missing the point. This case has never been about religion, it's about the tax breaks religious status brings.

    If this stands, UK taxpayers will be funding an organisation which is accused of a long list of illegal activity.

    Oh and you can forget about criticising it since they'll also be claiming protection under laws against religious hatred.

    I do not oppose this cult on the grounds of belief, it's about the abuses.
    ...so, it continues to be just like the others then.

    Let's just ban tax relief for voodooo nonsensery in general, sorted.
  • The DoveThe Dove Posts: 1,221
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    It's as daft as all the others.

    Bad thing is, that it may now be seen as a 'hate crime' to criticise this bunch of idiots.

    Exactly and believe me the Scientology organisation will take advantage of that. Guess it's time to read up on what happens when one is arrested.
  • CSJBCSJB Posts: 6,188
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    The Dove wrote: »
    Some of you are missing the point. This case has never been about religion, it's about the tax breaks religious status brings.

    If this stands, UK taxpayers will be funding an organisation which is accused of a long list of illegal activity.

    Oh and you can forget about criticising it since they'll also be claiming protection under laws against religious hatred.

    I do not oppose this cult on the grounds of belief, it's about the abuses.

    The same can be said of all religions.
    None of them should have tax breaks or exemptions from the law, but they do.
    Untill such a time where religions lose there privileges then they should all be treated the same surely ?
  • trevgotrevgo Posts: 28,241
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    The country is spineless. It's capitulates in the face of every special demand from every minority, no matter how potty.

    Outrageous decision. Law Lords must be stupid enough to be prime recruits.
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    why not?
  • ElyanElyan Posts: 8,781
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    petspy wrote: »
    why not?

    Is that you Tom?
  • The DoveThe Dove Posts: 1,221
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    CSJB wrote: »
    The same can be said of all religions.
    None of them should have tax breaks or exemptions from the law, but they do.
    Untill such a time where religions lose there privileges then they should all be treated the same surely ?

    You really need to read up on exactly what Scientology is. This is not about religious beliefs, it's about hiding criminal activity behind a mask of religion.
  • stoatiestoatie Posts: 78,106
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    It's the last line of that article that's key, though. Tax breaks etc for religions are usually predicated on the idea that religion provides a "service" to the public and to society at large. Now, whether one believes they provide any kind of service at all is entirely up for debate, but the thing about $cientology is that the "public" part isn't fulfilled in any way at all.

    Unless they start giving their teachings and auditing away for free, I can't see that changing. As a profit-making organisation which actively excludes the public, they're kinda different.

    FWIW I despise the Co$ with a passion, but I don't have a problem with it being a place where $cilons can get married. That doesn't bother me at all; people should be able to get married wherever they want.
  • BerBer Posts: 24,562
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    Makes sense, it's no more barmy than many of the other beliefs out there that are officially recognized.

    For me its not so much what they believe, its the lack of openess about those beliefs and what people have to do to be part of it.
  • Thunder LipsThunder Lips Posts: 1,660
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    The Dove wrote: »
    You really need to read up on exactly what Scientology is. This is not about religious beliefs, it's about hiding criminal activity behind a mask of religion.
    Ever heard of Catholicism?
  • Si_CreweSi_Crewe Posts: 40,202
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    The Dove wrote: »
    Some of you are missing the point. This case has never been about religion, it's about the tax breaks religious status brings.

    If this stands, UK taxpayers will be funding an organisation which is accused of a long list of illegal activity.

    Oh and you can forget about criticising it since they'll also be claiming protection under laws against religious hatred.

    I do not oppose this cult on the grounds of belief, it's about the abuses.

    A fair point.

    I looked at this thread and my first thought was "Yay! One more thing to not give a shit about" but this lot are rather "predatory" in their dealings with dissenters so it's kind of worrying that they've now got a legal standing.
  • CSJBCSJB Posts: 6,188
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    The Dove wrote: »
    You really need to read up on exactly what Scientology is. This is not about religious beliefs, it's about hiding criminal activity behind a mask of religion.

    I know exactly what Scientology is.
    May I suggest you read up on the criminal activities of other more traditional religions.
    A good point to start would be the funding of terrorist organisations or the hiding of peadophiles.
  • Si_CreweSi_Crewe Posts: 40,202
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    CSJB wrote: »
    I know exactly what Scientology is.
    May I suggest you read up on the criminal activities of other more traditional religions.
    A good point to start would be the funding of terrorist organisations or the hiding of peadophiles.

    There probably wouldn't be anything to read if it was about scientology though. It'd all be wrapped up in superinjunctions and libel suits.

    And Father Ted probably wouldn't have happened. :(
  • The DoveThe Dove Posts: 1,221
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    stoatie wrote: »
    It's the last line of that article that's key, though. Tax breaks etc for religions are usually predicated on the idea that religion provides a "service" to the public and to society at large. Now, whether one believes they provide any kind of service at all is entirely up for debate, but the thing about $cientology is that the "public" part isn't fulfilled in any way at all.

    Unless they start giving their teachings and auditing away for free, I can't see that changing. As a profit-making organisation which actively excludes the public, they're kinda different.

    FWIW I despise the Co$ with a passion, but I don't have a problem with it being a place where $cilons can get married. That doesn't bother me at all; people should be able to get married wherever they want.

    For years the whole service issue has blocked Scientology from getting tax relief through charitable status. This case was brought as a new attempt to get around that by simply having the cult recognised as a religion.

    Louisa Hodkin's father, Peter, has acted as a solicitor for the 'church' in the past and has sent out cease and desist letters to critics and protesters in an attempt to intimidate us into silence.
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