Texas to vote on allowing students to carry guns on state campuses

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Draft bill has been approved and has plenty of support, so looks likely of being passed into law.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/17/texas-guns-on-campus-bill_n_836992.html

Not sure this is a very good idea.
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  • ResonanceResonance Posts: 16,644
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    Probably not a good idea, but can they actually stop anyone carrying guns. It's guaranteed in the constitution as far as I know.
  • Nick1966Nick1966 Posts: 15,742
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    Not sure this is a very good idea.

    10 years from now
    "students to carry sub machine guns of campus"

    20 years from now
    "students to be allowed to drive around campus in tanks with tactical nuclear devices"

    Lets step things down. Not up.
  • RaferRafer Posts: 14,231
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    If they don't carry guns on campus. How are they going to protect themselves from people carrying guns on campus?
  • Nick1966Nick1966 Posts: 15,742
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    Rafer wrote: »
    If they don't carry guns on campus. How are they going to protect themselves from people carrying guns on campus?

    By banning guns from the campus altogether. It levels the playing field.
  • Jellied EelJellied Eel Posts: 33,091
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    Nick1966 wrote: »
    By banning guns from the campus altogether. It levels the playing field.

    But does not work. UK's banned most firearms, but how many are still being used?
  • Nick1966Nick1966 Posts: 15,742
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    But does not work. UK's banned most firearms, but how many are still being used?

    If they are being used, it'll be illegally.

    What the crime stats involving firearms in various developed countries ?
  • jswift909jswift909 Posts: 11,360
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    Nick1966 wrote: »
    By banning guns from the campus altogether. It levels the playing field.

    Damn, beaten to it again. :(
    They've seriously got to get out of that mentality of carrying weapons full stop. Besides, most young people should never be allowed guns, or access to them. The legal age to get a gun should be no less than 21.

    Young people are emotionally fragile due to lots of factors. Being ignorant (lacking life experience), puberty, how kids/young people treat each other - again, largely down to inexperience or ignorance.

    For some, access to a gun can mean this;

    http://stuffqueerpeopleneedtoknow.wordpress.com/2011/03/14/bullyied-ohio-teen-commits-suicide/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    The Ohio paper report is there in the links too, at the start of the article.

    He's one of many who had done this.
  • cupoteacupotea Posts: 1,388
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    This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Only in America...
  • Jellied EelJellied Eel Posts: 33,091
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    Nick1966 wrote: »
    If they are being used, it'll be illegally.

    By criminals, who by definition aren't generally too bothered about the law.
    What the crime stats involving firearms in various developed countries ?

    Too high. Switzerland's always a good one. Lots of guns, relatively few gun crimes, but lots of gun related suicides.

    Much of it is a cultural thing I guess, plus the fear of inanimate objects whipped up by the media. Or the media turning guns into objects of desire rather than tools.

    Personally I'm not convinced it's a good idea either, but then in a country which has had many spree killings, there may be more justification to allow self-defence.
  • jswift909jswift909 Posts: 11,360
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    Nick1966 wrote: »
    If they are being used, it'll be illegally.

    What the crime stats involving firearms in various developed countries ?

    Fascinating info here:

    http://www.crimestoppers-uk.org/crime-prevention/latest-crime-statistics

    but gun crime for England & Wales is here:

    http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs10/hosb1210chap3.pdf
    page 53, which came from:
    http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/crimeew0910.html
  • Jellied EelJellied Eel Posts: 33,091
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    cupotea wrote: »
    This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Only in America...

    Parts of Utah have already allowed this.
  • cupoteacupotea Posts: 1,388
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    Parts of Utah have already allowed this.

    Another reason why I'm glad I don't live in Utah.
  • jswift909jswift909 Posts: 11,360
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    cupotea wrote: »
    Another reason why I'm glad I don't live in Utah.

    I'll give you another.

    It's the head quarters of the Mormon church ;):)
  • Lincoln HawkLincoln Hawk Posts: 1,783
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    How are they supposed to open beer cans without their guns?
  • paulschapmanpaulschapman Posts: 35,536
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    Draft bill has been approved and has plenty of support, so looks likely of being passed into law.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/17/texas-guns-on-campus-bill_n_836992.html

    Not sure this is a very good idea.

    Sometimes the words Texans and Sanity should not be used in the same sentence. :rolleyes:
  • Nick1966Nick1966 Posts: 15,742
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    Sometimes the words Texans and Sanity should not be used in the same sentence. :rolleyes:

    If this is allowed, I, for one, would feel a tad anxious visiting a Texan University. Safe in the knowledge that some spotty testosterone charged students are wandering around campus around between double geography and their PE lecture with guns in their pockets.

    Can you imagine Jeremy Paxman hosting University Challenge and introducing the teams ?

    "Let's meet Queens College, London"

    "Hi, I'm Ben Stevens reading Philosophy and firearms"
    "Hi, I'm Jenny Woods reading French and firearms"

    ... and their team captain...

    "Hi, I'm Tim Philpot reading Politics and firearms"

    "Your starter for ten. Fingers on the buzzers. No, not the trigger !!!"
  • Lincoln HawkLincoln Hawk Posts: 1,783
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    Charles Whitman shot and killed 16 people from a tower of the University of Texas in Austin.
  • JS477JS477 Posts: 1,489
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    Nick1966 wrote: »
    If this is allowed, I, for one, would feel a tad anxious visiting a Texan University.

    I'd be reluctant to visit Texas full stop or any US state that carried out executions.
  • PoliticoRNPoliticoRN Posts: 5,519
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    Nick1966 wrote: »
    By banning guns from the campus altogether. It levels the playing field.

    Banning guns from campus only works if the criminals agree to play along.

    As has been seen all over the world banning the personal use of firearms stops only law abiding people from doing so; the criminals carry on regardless.
  • PoliticoRNPoliticoRN Posts: 5,519
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    JS477 wrote: »
    I'd be reluctant to visit Texas full stop or any US state that carried out executions.

    Why?

    Are you planning on committing a crime for which those states impose the death penalty?

    No?

    Then you have nothing to fear.
  • Nick1966Nick1966 Posts: 15,742
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    PoliticoRN wrote: »
    Then you have nothing to fear.

    You could find yourself in the wrong place at the wrong time. Quite by accident. And suddenly, for no rhyme or reason, find the long arm of the law tapping you on the shoulder.

    The criminal justice system is run by humans. Like all humans, we all make mistakes. No system is fool proof.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,383
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    I don't know if being allowed to carry guns on campus is a good thing or not. That said, I'm not totally against concealed carry. Banning guns would not work here. A few cities have done it and it has not dramatically improved crime. People will get guns no matter what. That said, I'm not sure if this particular bill is a good idea or not.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,383
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    JS477 wrote: »
    I'd be reluctant to visit Texas full stop or any US state that carried out executions.

    :rolleyes:

    Are you planning on committing murder while you're here?
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,706
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    Somehow the thought of drunk students with easy access to a glock pistol doesnt fill me with the greatest of confidence !
  • Nick1966Nick1966 Posts: 15,742
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    Leanna1989 wrote: »
    That said, I'm not sure if this particular bill is a good idea or not.

    Many laws prevent something: drugs, alcohol, under age smoking, guns here in the UK.

    What sets this apart is that it permits something.
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