Who do you think supplied the bulk of Ukraine weaponry including ballistic missiles and missile launchers just to mention a couple of examples?
The UK ambassador: 'We know that weapons, equipment and logistical support has been systematically provided to armed separatist groups by Russia.'
He added: 'We urge Russia to cease its policy or supporting armed separatist groups and their violent actions, of destabilising a neighbouring country, of generating displacement and social and economic hardship.
They are quite obviously getting the help from Russia. To deny that is to fly in the face of reality.
Well that makes the Rebels look even more guilty doesn't it ? !
Would there be that much evidence in wreckage which links it directly to the rebels and cant be spun to blame the Ukrainan military/ anybody else.
Is Putin back in Russia yet. He was in Brazil yesterday.
I reckon Putin confessed when he said at his news conference "The people to blame are the people over who's territory it happened."
It happened over Russian-backed, rebel-controlled territory.
Bingo!
Would there be that much evidence in wreckage which links it directly to the rebels and cant be spun to blame the Ukrainan military/ anybody else.
Evidence may come from forensic investigation of the MH17 fuselage. Boeing aircraft are made from a very specific grade of high grade aluminum, if I remember correctly as my time as a metallurgist a patented rolled aluminum.
If a SAM exploded in the vicinity there will be evidence of the warhead sticking to the Al fuselage.
Evidence may come from forensic investigation of the MH17 fuselage. Boeing aircraft are made from a very specific grade of high grade aluminum, if I remember correctly as my time as a metallurgist a patented rolled aluminum.
If a SAM exploded in the vicinity there will be evidence of the warhead sticking to the Al fuselage.
The Rebels could spin that to say the Ukrainian government fired the missile. How much evidence could they be that cant be spun at all.
I wonder if Putin actually wants strikes on planes to happen as every strike makes the chance of peace go down and must make people in his government angry( especially business folk)
The investigators have been refused admission to the plane crash site by the pro-Russian separatist terrorists, even had shots fired over their heads, latest reports claim that bodies are strewn all over the area, and no attempt has been made to remove them
Not acting guilty at all then. These people aren't very bright, are they?
S'funny how there seems to be this symbiotic relationship between RT and newbie journo's, whereby RT loves hiring westerners and the newbie journo's get some proper experience but it seems like only the most gullible or cynical stick with them in the long term.
Anybody who suggests that outfits like the BBC and CNN are as biased as RT are, frankly, not wired up right.
RT would be a joke if it wasn't for the fact that some people take it seriously.
It is Putin / the Kremlin's propaganda machine and it's reporting today has verged on the ridiculous. How amazing that after Ukraine had intercepted phone call between rebels that Russia suddenly had "evidence" of similar between Ukrainians.
Their coverage has been insensitive in the extreme with very graphic images of the dead - totally unnecessary and distressing for their relatives.
IMO, best to get news from a combination of BBC, CNN, Sky and Al Jazeera and it's a relatively balanced way to keep informed. RT is quite good if you want news of singing dogs though.......
RT would be a joke if it wasn't for the fact that some people take it seriously.
It is Putin / the Kremlin's propaganda machine and it's reporting today has verged on the ridiculous. How amazing that after Ukraine had intercepted phone call between rebels that Russia suddenly had "evidence" of similar between Ukrainians.
Their coverage has been insensitive in the extreme with very graphic images of the dead - totally unnecessary and distressing for their relatives.
IMO, best to get news from a combination of BBC, CNN, Sky and Al Jazeera and it's a relatively balanced way to keep informed. RT is quite good if you want news of singing dogs though.......
Doesn't Al Jazzeera get quite biased during middle conflicts or have I got that wrong.
Can you Imagine the terror of the people where the debris landed, human body parts raining down from th clouds onto the roofs of their homes. How do you explain that to your children? It is an abomination.
Can you Imagine the terror of the people where the debris landed, human body parts raining down from th clouds onto the roofs of their homes. How do you explain that to your children? It is an abomination.
Hopefully most landed away from homes.
Was anbody on the ground killed or hurt. Not heard any reports of it.
Christ some of you people are fecking blind. It was obviously pro-Russian separatist terrorists using missiles given to them by Putin! Bloody hell! Admittedly it wad almost certainly an accident in the sense that they probably thought it was a Ukrainian military plane, but firing the actual missile was no accident.
Funny how Western media comes down like a ton of bricks on Al Assad whenever he calls rebels "terrorists" but there is no action against Ukraine for calling the rebels the same.
Not acting guilty at all then. These people aren't very bright, are they?
No. As I said a few pages back, they're essentially just peasants. The fact they use mobile phones, own a TV, etc. is irrelevant. Intellectually there's absolutely nothing going on at all. Put them back in the Middle Ages and I'd doubt anyone would be able to spot the different.
Funny how Western media comes down like a ton of bricks on Al Assad whenever he calls rebels "terrorists" but there is no action against Ukraine for calling the rebels the same.
Hitting a passenger aircraft at 33K ft is not an act of war, its an international terrorist attack.
Hitting a passenger aircraft at 33K ft is not an act of war, its an international terrorist attack.
So every time American and British troops accidentally kill civilians it's also a "terrorist attack"? Why can't you accept that accidents happen. In war accidents are always tragic but they are not murder. It depends entirely on what the rebels thought they were firing at if they genuinely believed they were attacking a Ukranian military transport then there is no crime just like America is not punished every time it kills a civilian when trying to hit a legitimate target.
No. As I said a few pages back, they're essentially just peasants. The fact they use mobile phones, own a TV, etc. is irrelevant. Intellectually there's absolutely nothing going on at all. Put them back in the Middle Ages and I'd doubt anyone would be able to spot the different.
In one of the rebel phonecalls .... one of the retards concludes the passenger plane must have been spies because it was flying over there area.....
What the hell were they shooting at then if not a plane? The clouds?
You're being deliberately obtuse. The most likely explanation is they knew they were firing at a plane but thought it was a Ukranian military transport and had no idea it was a civilian airliner.
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They are quite obviously getting the help from Russia. To deny that is to fly in the face of reality.
Is Putin back in Russia yet. He was in Brazil yesterday.
It happened over Russian-backed, rebel-controlled territory.
Bingo!
Evidence may come from forensic investigation of the MH17 fuselage. Boeing aircraft are made from a very specific grade of high grade aluminum, if I remember correctly as my time as a metallurgist a patented rolled aluminum.
If a SAM exploded in the vicinity there will be evidence of the warhead sticking to the Al fuselage.
I wonder if Putin actually wants strikes on planes to happen as every strike makes the chance of peace go down and must make people in his government angry( especially business folk)
Not acting guilty at all then. These people aren't very bright, are they?
RT would be a joke if it wasn't for the fact that some people take it seriously.
It is Putin / the Kremlin's propaganda machine and it's reporting today has verged on the ridiculous. How amazing that after Ukraine had intercepted phone call between rebels that Russia suddenly had "evidence" of similar between Ukrainians.
Their coverage has been insensitive in the extreme with very graphic images of the dead - totally unnecessary and distressing for their relatives.
IMO, best to get news from a combination of BBC, CNN, Sky and Al Jazeera and it's a relatively balanced way to keep informed. RT is quite good if you want news of singing dogs though.......
Was anbody on the ground killed or hurt. Not heard any reports of it.
So far there are no reports of people on ground being injured. The bulk of the debris has landed in fields and unoccupied areas.
Funny how Western media comes down like a ton of bricks on Al Assad whenever he calls rebels "terrorists" but there is no action against Ukraine for calling the rebels the same.
No. As I said a few pages back, they're essentially just peasants. The fact they use mobile phones, own a TV, etc. is irrelevant. Intellectually there's absolutely nothing going on at all. Put them back in the Middle Ages and I'd doubt anyone would be able to spot the different.
Hitting a passenger aircraft at 33K ft is not an act of war, its an international terrorist attack.
Only if done in the full knowledge that it's a passenger plane, which doesn't seem to be the case in this instance.
So every time American and British troops accidentally kill civilians it's also a "terrorist attack"? Why can't you accept that accidents happen. In war accidents are always tragic but they are not murder. It depends entirely on what the rebels thought they were firing at if they genuinely believed they were attacking a Ukranian military transport then there is no crime just like America is not punished every time it kills a civilian when trying to hit a legitimate target.
In one of the rebel phonecalls .... one of the retards concludes the passenger plane must have been spies because it was flying over there area.....
Absolutely no idea of the world.
What the hell were they shooting at then if not a plane? The clouds?
`International aircraft 'ping' an identification number. Ddo you want to be the guy that ignored the commercial ping?
And you'll find it's mostly the same people who took Press TV seriously before it got yanked off the air!
It seems they thought they were shooting at a Ukranian transport plane.
You're being deliberately obtuse. The most likely explanation is they knew they were firing at a plane but thought it was a Ukranian military transport and had no idea it was a civilian airliner.
Have the phonecalls being confirmed to not be doctored?