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decision time

going to get a PVR this afternoon.hopefully:eek:
Narrowed it down to 4 , which is the better choice.
1.Topfield Turbosat 5810 @ £199
2. Humax 9300T @ 153
3.Sagemcom DTR 67500T @ £160
4.sagemcom DTR 94250 HD @ £180

fire away folks:D

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    Luis EssexLuis Essex Posts: 2,267
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    "Better" is very subjective. To help focus replies: Why these four? And what have you used previously?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 17
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    Luis Essex wrote: »
    "Better" is very subjective. To help focus replies: Why these four? And what have you used previously?

    im coming from sky hd , refuse to pay £60+ a month .set a budget of £200 max and want something with reasonable spec and ease of use. reading reviews there doesnt appear to be a totally reliable one at any price.
    and i dont want freesat.
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    Luis EssexLuis Essex Posts: 2,267
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    So far nothing is obvious which may suit you better.
    Are you aware:
    • Sagemcom do not support Radio recording
    • HD TVs usually do a better job of HDMI up scaling than a external device (e.g.. PVR). If HDMI connectivity is why you included the first three then reconsider
    • The 9300T is very similar to the old 9200T. It has the appearance of an interim model to keep the brand going before they were able to release the fox T2 recorder
    • If you want to pull off the raw recordings to a PC then the 9300T requires breaking the guarantee and fitting an esata connection modification (or taking out the drive each time)
    • The Topfield 5810 will require you to initially update it via a PC to make it work reasonably
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 17
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    Luis Essex wrote: »
    So far nothing is obvious which may suit you better.
    Are you aware:
    • Sagemcom do not support Radio recording
    • HD TVs usually do a better job of HDMI up scaling than a external device (e.g.. PVR). If HDMI connectivity is why you included the first three then reconsider
    • The 9300T is very similar to the old 9200T. It has the appearance of an interim model to keep the brand going before they were able to release the fox T2 recorder
    • If you want to pull off the raw recordings to a PC then the 9300T requires breaking the guarantee and fitting an esata connection modification (or taking out the drive each time)
    • The Topfield 5810 will require you to initially update it via a PC to make it work reasonably

    mmm,not wonderful news for any really , much as i expected.
    maybe just have to keep the in built freeview in the telly and whats left for nowt on the skybox and forget recording stuff til a better solution appears.
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    trilobitetrilobite Posts: 2,351
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    This is going to be a slap in the face but, if you want a decent box, save up for the Humax HDR-Fox T2. Accept no compromises, really.

    Comparing it to what has gone before, is like comparing chalk and cheese.

    I was dithering over the older Humax boxes and some of the cheaper other brand modern boxes. All of them had ropey performance, and in the end I could not justify buying a box that was almost okay.
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    PTDPTD Posts: 1,807
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    1966jon wrote: »
    going to get a PVR this afternoon.hopefully:eek:
    Narrowed it down to 4 , which is the better choice.
    1.Topfield Turbosat 5810 @ £199
    2. Humax 9300T @ 153
    3.Sagemcom DTR 67500T @ £160
    4.sagemcom DTR 94250 HD @ £180

    fire away folks:D

    #4 is a Freesat HD box, which is fine if you intend hooking it up to your dish, but you need 2 feeds. The Freeview+ HD equivalent is the RTi90-xxx.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 132
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    Topfield or Humax

    Sagemcom has unreliable series record as follows:-
    - max of 30 series timers, not enough nearly enough
    - deletes the series timers willy nilly, particularly if it can't find the next episode in the series
    - misses about 1% of recordings for no apparent reason
    - overruns on about 2% of recordings, gives the programme the name of the following programme, very confusing.
    and when it comes out of standby it has no EPG so (a) you can't set up recordings and (b) the disk rattles and thrashes for 5 minutes or so

    I don't have much experience with the Humax. The Topfield with MyStuff installed blows the doors off any other PVR (I have tried a few) if you are enough of a geek to get through the installation & learning curve. Topfield without MyStuff I hear is a bit meh, possibly no better than the competition.

    I heard Tesco was selling Grade A used Humaxes for £80. A good deal. Sometimes Turbosat sells Grade A Topfield TF5800s on ebay for £75, a bargain IMHO.

    I also hear good things about the DigitalStream HD recorders, but I have no experience.
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    trxster3000trxster3000 Posts: 114
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    I was going to go for a HD PVR (DS or Fetch) but decided to get a cheap SD PVR and wait for a YouView box which should be available by the middle of 2011.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 36,630
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    MarkPax wrote: »
    Topfield or Humax

    Sagemcom has unreliable series record as follows:-
    - max of 30 series timers, not enough nearly enough
    - deletes the series timers willy nilly, particularly if it can't find the next episode in the series
    - misses about 1% of recordings for no apparent reason
    - overruns on about 2% of recordings, gives the programme the name of the following programme, very confusing.
    and when it comes out of standby it has no EPG so (a) you can't set up recordings and (b) the disk rattles and thrashes for 5 minutes or so

    I don't have much experience with the Humax. The Topfield with MyStuff installed blows the doors off any other PVR (I have tried a few) if you are enough of a geek to get through the installation & learning curve. Topfield without MyStuff I hear is a bit meh, possibly no better than the competition.

    I heard Tesco was selling Grade A used Humaxes for £80. A good deal. Sometimes Turbosat sells Grade A Topfield TF5800s on ebay for £75, a bargain IMHO.

    I also hear good things about the DigitalStream HD recorders, but I have no experience.

    Having had a Digitalstream HDR8205 since October I can vouch for it :)

    Never had a problem, records everything, never locks up, menus and EPG work correctly and Dolby Digital 5.1 via the optical output which, even now, only a few HD receivers and recorders can do. And at £199 at John Lewis it's a bit of a bargain at the moment considering a decent brand standard definition PVR will still cost you around the same. MIT London are also very good at support, adding fixes and features that get requested in each update. And unlike some other manufacturers, the two updates applied since I bought the machine haven't broken anything else (3View, Philips/Pace and Fetch take note).

    As for getting recordings on to a PC, it is possible (with SD recordings) by plugging in an external HDD and copying the files to it. However the drive will be formatted using the Linux XFS filesystem so you will need to boot into Linux to copy the files to the PC. HD recordings can also be copied but they cannot be viewed on anything other than the DS though as they are encrypted.

    If I only wanted an SD PVR though, it would be one of the Topfield refurbished models that Turbosat sometimes have available.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 132
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    Trouble is, none of the boxes on your list is particularly cheap. Prices are quite close to the DigitalStream. "Cheap" PVRs are IMHO the Vestels at £69 or £99 (I don't like them), or the TUTV boxes for peanuts....

    How about Thomson DTI6300 refurb for £40?
    http://www.radioandtelly.co.uk/topuptvboxes.html

    Now that's what I call cheap :) I hear the old TUTV software was pants, but the new stuff is supposed to be much better. For less than the price of a tank of diesel.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 17
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    thanks for the input everyone.. plenty to think about.Basically im going to sit tight a while longer and see what develops.its too much money to buy a product that sounds like it will be unreliable , im erring towards the Humax -Fox T2 but its a huge slice of dosh right now.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 17
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    or maybe an hdd dvd recorder with freeview could be another option ?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 36,630
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    1966jon wrote: »
    or maybe an hdd dvd recorder with freeview could be another option ?

    Could be, but the only make worth considering now would be Panasonic.

    Sony's range used to be very good when they were made by Pioneer, but Sony's later models are made by Samsung and don't get great user reviews. Neither do the LG and Samsung models available.

    However even the Panasonics (which do generally get great user feedback) have some issues to be aware of, such as a bloody great advert in the EPG that takes up the left third of the screen, and compared to a standard PVR, they are expensive. The advertising may not bother you, but it would certainly bother me especially for what is a premium product.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 17
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    Could be, but the only make worth considering now would be Panasonic.

    Sony's range used to be very good when they were made by Pioneer, but Sony's later models are made by Samsung and don't get great user reviews. Neither do the LG and Samsung models available.

    However even the Panasonics (which do generally get great user feedback) have some issues to be aware of, such as a bloody great advert in the EPG that takes up the left third of the screen, and compared to a standard PVR, they are expensive. The advertising may not bother you, but it would certainly bother me especially for what is a premium product.

    damn , was thinking samsung / lg...had no issues with any of their products before
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 36,630
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    1966jon wrote: »
    damn , was thinking samsung / lg...had no issues with any of their products before

    Neither have I, however from reading some of the reviews of their DVD/HDD recorders I would probably go for one of the Panasonics if I was after one.

    From what people say the LG/Samsung models just seem to have issues with speed of response to the remote, lack of features etc. All issues that you might find acceptable but many wont, these things can be a bit subjective I suppose.
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    MarkPax wrote: »
    Trouble is, none of the boxes on your list is particularly cheap. Prices are quite close to the DigitalStream. "Cheap" PVRs are IMHO the Vestels at £69 or £99 (I don't like them), or the TUTV boxes for peanuts....

    How about Thomson DTI6300 refurb for £40?
    http://www.radioandtelly.co.uk/topuptvboxes.html

    Now that's what I call cheap :) I hear the old TUTV software was pants, but the new stuff is supposed to be much better. For less than the price of a tank of diesel.

    Not a bad buy at £40 however, they are now £79.99 for the 160Gb version on TopUpTV's website.
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