Ok, so Stewart shouldn't have said it without knowing how Corden was going to react...but when an acting legend like him shows up to a feeble awards show, you'd expect the host to show some good grace and humour him. Stewart is obviously trying be funny, not malicious.
Much as I dislike him, awards-show veteran Jonathan Ross wouldn't act like this. He'd smile, maybe even laugh and...not take it overly seriously and not then try and insult the guest.
I've seen Corden over-react like this before (The Xtra Factor clip with him ripping into Britney, possibly justifiably, but changing the tone of the programme dramatically). He needs to be a better judge of these situations. He's supposed to be a funny guy*, not an overly sensitive arse.
I watched the clip of their cringeworthy disagreement and I thought neither of them came out with too much credit for differing reasons.
In Patrick Stewart's case, I felt he should have not got involved in the first place, realised the kind of vacuous do he was it, presented the wretched award for God knows what to the simpering luvvie who was expecting it, taken his no doubt large fee and aired his contempt for Corden's truculent manner in private.
As for Corden, his reaction to Stewart's verbal provocation was bordering on the threatening with his school playground bullyesque eyeballing of what is a man aged nearly 70, egged on by his very large gang (err...sorry, the audience). It was during that particular moment (the gross invasion of Stewart's personal space by Corden) that I hoped and I prayed Stewart would stick one on him and leave him sprawling and red-faced on the floor.
Anyone observing the scene in more depth could see the fear in Corden's eyes after Patrick Stewart had showed him that even after his foul-mouthed, in-yer-face routine he was still prepared to stand his ground and say his piece. Corden tried to mask it, but it was there to see. I didn't see that same fear in Stewart.
As I said at the beginning, both of them came out badly from this. Stewart for starting the thing originally, then by making personal remarks to Corden about his weight, and Corden for behaving like Gripper Stebson from Grange Hill and in particular for his use of foul language (the refuge of the witless) after Stewart had dared to lecture him about what he saw as his dismissive body language throughout the night. Overall, they should both be ashamed of themselves for what happened.
People say Corden has no talent and make jokes about his weight. Well, he's not my cup of tea, and I think his kind of comedic style/yobbish behaviour would have got him absolutely nowhere thirty or so years ago, but he's clearly popular with younger audiences of today, so you can't just dismiss him an overweight, talentless, arrogant windbag as his detractors seem to want to do, as there is clearly a very well paid market for the likes of Corden at present and much less of Jean-Luc Picard on the telly these days. Equally, though, you wonder whether James Corden will have a fifty year career in show business like Stewart has achieved. Personally, I very much doubt it.
Your perspective is similar to mine. I don't know how anyone can watch that video and completely expunge Corden of wrongdoing on the basis that Stewart made an ill-advised personal comment. Corden's behaviour throughout was egotistical, obnoxious and even threatening. They were both wrong, but life is 10% what happens and 90% how we respond: Corden's responses were very revealing.
You're spot on in your analysis that Corden looked shaken up while despite his yobbish hectoring,Stewart remained implacable. Even as Zoe Saldana accepted her award, you could see Corden was still quite livid as Stewart tried to talk to him. I'll bet Corden isn't used to being shown up these days.
Who'll come out of it worse in the long-term? Well, when Stewart dies, he'll be included in the Oscars obituary tribute, and the BAFTAs will probably give him a long segment. When Corden dies, if he's lucky someone somewhere will say "wasn't he in Gavin and Stacey"? So treating Stewart with such disdain did make him look a bit silly.
You're spot on in your analysis that Corden looked shaken up while despite his yobbish hectoring,Stewart remained implacable. Even as Zoe Saldana accepted her award, you could see Corden was still quite livid as Stewart tried to talk to him. I'll bet Corden isn't used to being shown up these days.
I agree JC looked really put out - but who wouldn't be? How would any one react when very publicly admonished and treated like a naughty kid.?
PS was so wrong to have made such a personal remark on the podium like that - pure arrogance imo.
In the various threads on DS we can see where the support for James Corden lies.
Corden is a yob in his heart, it's not an act. He does the smiley-smiley thing but it's just a mask for a nasty bullying person underneath. He has self-esteem issues obviously.
But it won't affect his core support at all, however his mainstream success is probably over.
In the various threads on DS we can see where the support for James Corden lies.
Corden is a yob in his heart, it's not an act. He does the smiley-smiley thing but it's just a mask for a nasty bullying person underneath. He has self-esteem issues obviously.
But it won't affect his core support at all, however his mainstream success is probably over.
He's like a "comedic" Vinny Jones.
I've seen little support for Corden on any thread.
I can't stand him myself - he is the least funny comedian ever - but I also don't find personal abuse amusing either.
Exactly. He looked really annoyed that Patrick Stewart was being so rude and embarassing. I mean, how would these people have reacted? You'd be pretty taken aback to have that happen in front of so many people, and it'd be quite difficult to think up some gold standard quip right there. Who cares who's more of a 'legend'? That was downright rude of Patrick Stewart and I hope he's ashamed.
I would humbly suggest that there's no room left in that towering thespian ego for anything as common as shame.
Fight the good fight, Sir P - even if you do look like an total knob while you're doing so.
I just think Patrick Stewart could have had a quiet word with him off-stage and not tried to humiliate him in front of the other guests. Also, was Patrick Stewart pissed?
Didn't think James Corden's reaction was very clever, or in the least bit funny. In fact I thought his demeanour became quite threatening. Where's Mr Worf when you need him?
Patrick Stewart was just rude and not at all funny
I'm not a huge James fan (although I loved Gavin and Stacey) but I think he handled himself very well in the situation
Ok, so Stewart shouldn't have said it without knowing how Corden was going to react...but when an acting legend like him shows up to a feeble awards ...
Oh please - what's with all the 'legend' rubbish? Rude is rude.
I think Corden showed alot of restraint actually, I'd have decked the idiot if he'd come out with that stuff at me.
Yes, and decking a 69 year old guy would be very big of you wouldn't it? That makes you sound even dimmer than Corden. Didn't realise it was possible, but there you go.
I imagine Patrick was bored and annoyed at the show but he shouldn't have got involved. He just came across as rude and then that set Corden off into one of his cringeworthy witterings.
It always baffles me when people say that they actually "hate" someone. Unless you know them personally and they have done you a disjustice there is no reason to. You may not find corden funny, or believe that he is talentless, but that is no reason to hate him. He has written one of the best comedy series in recent years and has done an incredible amount for sport relief. Wow, he must be a really bad person. And please, so what if he is overweight, it beggars belief that this is still a problem for people. No wonder there is so mucb pressure on the youth of today to look good when someone apparently as recently successful as him, is being slate for the way he looks. Would have pavarotti turning in his grave.
In the various threads on DS we can see where the support for James Corden lies.
Corden is a yob in his heart, it's not an act. He does the smiley-smiley thing but it's just a mask for a nasty bullying person underneath. He has self-esteem issues obviously.
But it won't affect his core support at all, however his mainstream success is probably over.
Corden isn't my cup of tea, and Smithy is my least favourite Gavin & Stacey character because of him, but Stewart was rude to him first which there really was no need for so he got everything that came to him including the dying joke, regardless of how famous or good an actor he is.
Have just watched this on TM and it was in fact Sir Patrick that was rude.....James was polite after the first insult and then SP added more fuel to the fire and then James added his "dying"...as in on his arse comment!
It always baffles me when people say that they actually "hate" someone. Unless you know them personally and they have done you a disjustice there is no reason to. You may not find corden funny, or believe that he is talentless, but that is no reason to hate him. He has written one of the best comedy series in recent years and has done an incredible amount for sport relief. Wow, he must be a really bad person. And please, so what if he is overweight, it beggars belief that this is still a problem for people. No wonder there is so mucb pressure on the youth of today to look good when someone apparently as recently successful as him, is being slate for the way he looks. Would have pavarotti turning in his grave.
Totally agree with this.
I find some of James Cordens stuff funny..other stuff not so much.
I like the fact he does alot for charity and is totally behind the boys for the world cup...none of that makes him worthy of hatred.
I dont think either of them came out too well, PS made an arse of himself and then wouldnt leave it alone...JC looked embarrassed and then annoyed and tried to be funny with his reaction, but ended up looking a tit too, having just watched it on TM.
All this does is convince me all the more that Ruth Jones wrote the lion's share of G&S. While I didn't like the show, there were a few laughs to be had. Clearly if he was a comedian of any talent he could and would have defused the situation.
Alas, he is an actor and not a comedian. He also seems incredibly arrogant and hypocritical.
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Neither is probably the type to cringe at themselves...but both should if they watch this back.
You sound lovely.
Maybe he'd have to deal with them less if he wasn't so bloody rude? Just a suggestion.
Much as I dislike him, awards-show veteran Jonathan Ross wouldn't act like this. He'd smile, maybe even laugh and...not take it overly seriously and not then try and insult the guest.
I've seen Corden over-react like this before (The Xtra Factor clip with him ripping into Britney, possibly justifiably, but changing the tone of the programme dramatically). He needs to be a better judge of these situations. He's supposed to be a funny guy*, not an overly sensitive arse.
*Apparently. He's never made me laugh.
Your perspective is similar to mine. I don't know how anyone can watch that video and completely expunge Corden of wrongdoing on the basis that Stewart made an ill-advised personal comment. Corden's behaviour throughout was egotistical, obnoxious and even threatening. They were both wrong, but life is 10% what happens and 90% how we respond: Corden's responses were very revealing.
You're spot on in your analysis that Corden looked shaken up while despite his yobbish hectoring,Stewart remained implacable. Even as Zoe Saldana accepted her award, you could see Corden was still quite livid as Stewart tried to talk to him. I'll bet Corden isn't used to being shown up these days.
Who'll come out of it worse in the long-term? Well, when Stewart dies, he'll be included in the Oscars obituary tribute, and the BAFTAs will probably give him a long segment. When Corden dies, if he's lucky someone somewhere will say "wasn't he in Gavin and Stacey"? So treating Stewart with such disdain did make him look a bit silly.
PS was so wrong to have made such a personal remark on the podium like that - pure arrogance imo.
Corden is a yob in his heart, it's not an act. He does the smiley-smiley thing but it's just a mask for a nasty bullying person underneath. He has self-esteem issues obviously.
But it won't affect his core support at all, however his mainstream success is probably over.
He's like a "comedic" Vinny Jones.
I've seen little support for Corden on any thread.
I can't stand him myself - he is the least funny comedian ever - but I also don't find personal abuse amusing either.
I would humbly suggest that there's no room left in that towering thespian ego for anything as common as shame.
Fight the good fight, Sir P - even if you do look like an total knob while you're doing so.
Didn't think James Corden's reaction was very clever, or in the least bit funny. In fact I thought his demeanour became quite threatening. Where's Mr Worf when you need him?
I'm not a huge James fan (although I loved Gavin and Stacey) but I think he handled himself very well in the situation
Yes, and decking a 69 year old guy would be very big of you wouldn't it? That makes you sound even dimmer than Corden. Didn't realise it was possible, but there you go.
probably not, but it would have been funny.
He's got a bit of the Jade Goodys about him.
A slob, but some people love slobs.
Nice work James....Patrick, learn some manners!
Totally agree with this.
I find some of James Cordens stuff funny..other stuff not so much.
I like the fact he does alot for charity and is totally behind the boys for the world cup...none of that makes him worthy of hatred.
I dont think either of them came out too well, PS made an arse of himself and then wouldnt leave it alone...JC looked embarrassed and then annoyed and tried to be funny with his reaction, but ended up looking a tit too, having just watched it on TM.
But then James Cordon has been acting like a pillock of mega proportions since the beginning of time. So I say he's the loser of the two.
Alas, he is an actor and not a comedian. He also seems incredibly arrogant and hypocritical.