Look, you know as well as I do that the police made a right hash of this crime scene. They are not going to admit to how much of a mess they made.
They did not prevent family members from going round the house either.
Still on the floor?
Did they tho? A police-officer picked up the gun without a protective glove on and Aimee shouldn't have been allowed onto the crime scene but neither of those failures have any impact on the duvet, the fans, the curtains, the ballistics, the position of OPs ipad, the gun holster, the cricket bat and all the other evidence that make OPs version impossible.
Did they tho? A police-officer picked up the gun without a protective glove on and Aimee shouldn't have been allowed onto the crime scene but neither of those failures have any impact on the duvet, the fans, the curtains, the ballistics, the position of OPs ipad, the gun holster, the cricket bat and all the other evidence that make OPs version impossible.
Really? Maybe less likely but not impossible. With the exception of the holes in the door all that stuff can be moved about and OP might or might not be accurate about where it was when he last saw it. Given the situation OP described I don't think I would place too much emphasis on what was exactly where.
Always said that the ballistics and bat would be a battle of the experts and as it turned out Bat man created more questions than he answered and Woolly brought many years of experience as an expert to bear on Mangena's version.
Did they tho? A police-officer picked up the gun without a protective glove on and Aimee shouldn't have been allowed onto the crime scene but neither of those failures have any impact on the duvet, the fans, the curtains, the ballistics, the position of OPs ipad, the gun holster, the cricket bat and all the other evidence that make OPs version impossible.
Better to go back to the context of my post. ;-)
It was a huge big argument.
This big>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :cool: lol
Really? Maybe less likely but not impossible. With the exception of the holes in the door all that stuff can be moved about and OP might or might not be accurate about where it was when he last saw it. Given the situation OP described I don't think I would place too much emphasis on what was exactly where.
Always said that the ballistics and bat would be a battle of the experts and as it turned out Bat man created more questions than he answered and Woolly brought many years of experience as an expert to bear on Mangena's version.
Yes, Woollyyyyyyyyyyy brought a whole load of expertise in shitology.
Yes, Woollyyyyyyyyyyy brought a whole load of expertise in shitology.
But, it has to be accepted, he has got an ology.
Harsh! I think Wolmarans came across well. He knew his stuff and wasn't up for discrediting Mangena's findings-he just gave an alternative interpretation.
Harsh! I think Wolmarans came across well. He knew his stuff and wasn't up for discrediting Mangena's findings-he just gave an alternative interpretation.
Harsh! I think Wolmarans came across well. He knew his stuff and wasn't up for discrediting Mangena's findings-he just gave an alternative interpretation.
Wasn't he also in the police for ages? Like Dixon, also unfairly pilloried.
If Mrs Stipp forgets she held open a curtain then thats just forgetting. But for OP it has to be a lie. Hmmm
He 'forgot' alot on the stand didn't he? It turns out Zombiestopper is a well-known turn of phrase amongst that clique gun range shooting fraternity. He knew fine what it was, but his attitude seemed to be 'deny everything' Didn't take long to be rumbled as a liar.
He 'forgot' alot on the stand didn't he? It turns out Zombiestopper is a well-known turn of phrase amongst that clique gun range shooting fraternity. He knew fine what it was, but his attitude seemed to be 'deny everything' Didn't take long to be rumbled as a liar.
Interesting. Where did you find this out?
I wonder if old Nel uses the term, as he has fired the same gun himself.
Good post - I mean a watch ffs! I think op had hang-ups about the SA police pre-Feb 14th. It's wel known there were previous visits from plod to op
Thanks Ian.
According to porky and maringar I'm not seeing the bigger picture or recognising the watch's significance. I'm half expecting one of them to suggest it was actually the murder weapon or maybe it's the only one that OP can tell the time by?.
I'm sure OP had hang-ups about the police before the shooting and no doubt even bigger ones now that they dared to charge him.
The point is, the police messed up big time. And how much are they going to admit to?
And the missing watch does not prove anything either way.
I certainly agree the watch doesn't prove anything either way except that it was stolen, yet some people are insinuating that Oscar cared more about his watch than he did Reeva which to me is totally unfounded and unnecessary.
Bringing up the watch has however led onto other things, ie the video of Van Rensburgh, in which he states a couple of things.
"Everybody had to come to the garage, we body searched everyone and searched all the bags."
"We searched the whole house."
I take it then that he must have also searched Reevas bag?
I was under the impression that Oldwadge was on scene yet Van Rensburgh mentions Oscars lawyer by name and it doesn't sound like he's saying Oldwadge, maybe others with better hearing can confirm?
I did notice Nellie was quite amused when Rensburgh changed to speaking English.
I certainly agree the watch doesn't prove anything either way except that it was stolen, yet some people are insinuating that Oscar cared more about his watch than he did Reeva which to me is totally unfounded and unnecessary.
Bringing up the watch has however led onto other things, ie the video of Van Rensburgh, in which he states a couple of things.
"Everybody had to come to the garage, we body searched everyone and searched all the bags."
"We searched the whole house."
I take it then that he must have also searched Reevas bag?
I was under the impression that Oldwadge was on scene yet Van Rensburgh mentions Oscars lawyer by name and it doesn't sound like he's saying Oldwadge, maybe others with better hearing can confirm?
I did notice Nellie was quite amused when Rensburgh changed to speaking English.
I wonder if old Nel uses the term, as he has fired the same gun himself.
It was in an article I read during the trial about SA culture and guns. Zombiestopper is a term used when describing stopping black intruders with guns. It was mentioned in the article how op could possibly NOT be aware of the phrase. He knew fine.
Yes- Dixon was treated terribly by media/social media
It's not surprising really.
To give expert opinion on things he's not expert in is asking for criticism. Just because he's a defence witness doesn't mean those who wish to support OP's version can't at least admit that Dixon made a fool of himself.
And it's simply not good enough for the defence in this case to put forward a expert in one field to claim to be able to answer the questions in fields they know nothing about.
It turned this very serious case into a farce IMO.
And the judge should have admonished him and the defence team for it.
I can't imagine any judge over here allowing such a disgraceful carry on.
So, feel sorry for Dixon if you want to, but it did nothing for OP's case and it was downright disrespectful to any court in my view.
It was in an article I read during the trial about SA culture and guns. Zombiestopper waz a term used when describing stopping black intruders with guns. It was mentioned in the article how op could possibly NOT be aware of the phrase. He knew fine.
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Thanks Porky.
Did they tho? A police-officer picked up the gun without a protective glove on and Aimee shouldn't have been allowed onto the crime scene but neither of those failures have any impact on the duvet, the fans, the curtains, the ballistics, the position of OPs ipad, the gun holster, the cricket bat and all the other evidence that make OPs version impossible.
Really? Maybe less likely but not impossible. With the exception of the holes in the door all that stuff can be moved about and OP might or might not be accurate about where it was when he last saw it. Given the situation OP described I don't think I would place too much emphasis on what was exactly where.
Always said that the ballistics and bat would be a battle of the experts and as it turned out Bat man created more questions than he answered and Woolly brought many years of experience as an expert to bear on Mangena's version.
Better to go back to the context of my post. ;-)
It was a huge big argument.
This big>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :cool: lol
Yes, Woollyyyyyyyyyyy brought a whole load of expertise in shitology.
But, it has to be accepted, he has got an ology.
Harsh! I think Wolmarans came across well. He knew his stuff and wasn't up for discrediting Mangena's findings-he just gave an alternative interpretation.
Tis a joke curley. ;-):D
Wasn't he also in the police for ages? Like Dixon, also unfairly pilloried.
Yes- Dixon was treated terribly by media/social media
He 'forgot' alot on the stand didn't he? It turns out Zombiestopper is a well-known turn of phrase amongst that clique gun range shooting fraternity. He knew fine what it was, but his attitude seemed to be 'deny everything' Didn't take long to be rumbled as a liar.
Making an appearance on the Graham Norton show tonight for any insomniacs.
Interesting. Where did you find this out?
I wonder if old Nel uses the term, as he has fired the same gun himself.
No it didn't.
Thanks Ian.
According to porky and maringar I'm not seeing the bigger picture or recognising the watch's significance. I'm half expecting one of them to suggest it was actually the murder weapon or maybe it's the only one that OP can tell the time by?.
I'm sure OP had hang-ups about the police before the shooting and no doubt even bigger ones now that they dared to charge him.
'Woteva' was on DT - Roxanne She glared at Nel with 'woteva's
I certainly agree the watch doesn't prove anything either way except that it was stolen, yet some people are insinuating that Oscar cared more about his watch than he did Reeva which to me is totally unfounded and unnecessary.
Bringing up the watch has however led onto other things, ie the video of Van Rensburgh, in which he states a couple of things.
"Everybody had to come to the garage, we body searched everyone and searched all the bags."
"We searched the whole house."
I take it then that he must have also searched Reevas bag?
I was under the impression that Oldwadge was on scene yet Van Rensburgh mentions Oscars lawyer by name and it doesn't sound like he's saying Oldwadge, maybe others with better hearing can confirm?
I did notice Nellie was quite amused when Rensburgh changed to speaking English.
As far as it concerns me personally, oh yes it did.
Oh what a shame.
You make jokes about Nel all the time, but of course you are whiter than white, ain't ye?
Why would you assume that?
It was in an article I read during the trial about SA culture and guns. Zombiestopper is a term used when describing stopping black intruders with guns. It was mentioned in the article how op could possibly NOT be aware of the phrase. He knew fine.
It's not surprising really.
To give expert opinion on things he's not expert in is asking for criticism. Just because he's a defence witness doesn't mean those who wish to support OP's version can't at least admit that Dixon made a fool of himself.
And it's simply not good enough for the defence in this case to put forward a expert in one field to claim to be able to answer the questions in fields they know nothing about.
It turned this very serious case into a farce IMO.
And the judge should have admonished him and the defence team for it.
I can't imagine any judge over here allowing such a disgraceful carry on.
So, feel sorry for Dixon if you want to, but it did nothing for OP's case and it was downright disrespectful to any court in my view.
I read that somewhere too during the trial.
Simply because he said he searched the whole house and all the bags, he didn't say except Reevas.
Yes I learned how to do it on this forum.