Example. An RIP thread on facebook. Periodically hijacked by 4chan and others, posting very graphic porn whilst the page was being access by everyone from 12 to 80. Facebook sometimes removed it within a few minutes, sometimes it was there for 8-10 hours. Some of this was gore with explicit dismembered bodies. Sick isn't the word. The page was liked by over 5 million people so they could post messages.
On a forum like Mumsnet (also been discussing this issue since November link) one person mentioned how an innocent site can quickly become illegal the moment someone posts a picture or link to pornography. China can't manage to filter things, Iran can't --- and these are places where they threaten you with prison, Australia has failed. Facebook can't manage to keep the stuff off pages - where the images are actually not just links but can be inline. It can be bypassed by any child using a proxy.
If you put the software on your PC then you can control what the kids can access, and allow the parent unrestricted access.
Pornography is legal in this country, not illegal. Until someone makes it illegal then it's a parental control issue, not something which should not be imposed on everyone. There must be free parental control software available -- although like anti-virus it's likely to require a subscription because lists must be updated all the time.
Will they be able to tick a box so that their kids cannot access ANY gay web sites, i.e. pinknews.co.uk? Why stop at porn, why not completely control your child/teenagers entire viewing ability. Athiests can ban all sites about religion. Religious-inclined can ban all Athiest sites. Christians can ban Roman Catholic sites, and on, and on.
The only think that needs to be banned is THICK politicians like Claire Perry, the person behind this.
Bye-bye Flickr then - that has quite a bit of adult imagery on it. Bye-bye YouTube, next time /b have some "lolz".
The Great Firewall of Britain proposed by someone that clearly doesn't quite understand how it all actually works.
It's odd really. They're talking about blocking this content, yet there's nothing preventing a child walking into a library and hiring a sexually-explicit, violent-content book. But when it's on paper, it's "ok"...
Bye-bye Flickr then - that has quite a bit of adult imagery on it. Bye-bye YouTube, next time /b have some "lolz".
The Great Firewall of Britain proposed by someone that clearly doesn't quite understand how it all actually works.
It's odd really. They're talking about blocking this content, yet there's nothing preventing a child walking into a library and hiring a sexually-explicit, violent-content book. But when it's on paper, it's "ok"...
Not mandatory, and actually opposed by some of the groups they want to use it!
The beginning of censorship, this is bad news. If adult websites are blocked and you have to 'opt-in' will there be a fee? Personally I wont pay for something that's already free anyway, this is just the beginning of a long slippery censorship road.
Why does anyone think it is a good idea to keep sex hidden from children?.
There's a marked difference between the kind of porn you get online and having "the talk" with little Billy about the birds and the bees.
Don't get me wrong, i'm firmly against the idea of any form of censorship - especially to this level. But I think you have to look at the bigger picture. It's fine to say "it's the parents responsibility" but that would only work with parents who are actually interested in raising their children with any sort of values.
Take it forward a few steps as well - who's to say that many young males don't grow up thinking that the sort of sex they see online is normal ?. And since they think it's normal, would they then start pressuring their girlfriends to "perform" in a similar fashion to some of the women in the clips ?
As I said, i'm firmly against the idea and against censorship. But, that said, I do see where some form of legislation could well be needed.
Anyway, ISP's are saying it's pretty much impossible anyway ..
Don't get me wrong, i'm firmly against the idea of any form of censorship - especially to this level. But I think you have to look at the bigger picture. It's fine to say "it's the parents responsibility" but that would only work with parents who are actually interested in raising their children with any sort of values.
One answer to this is to legislate that all new computers be sold with parental software not only installed, but set-up to block content. That way nothing is blocked on the internet, and the means to disable the local censorship is right there in the owners' hands. Include the access codes to the software in the paper documentation, or similar - which'd mean you could still gift a new laptop to your teen, but it'd be pre-blocked and they'd need to come to you to remove it...
...assuming they don't know how to get round that, of course - but if they did, they'd also likely know how to get round The Great Firewall too.
Don't get me wrong, i'm firmly against the idea of any form of censorship - especially to this level. But I think you have to look at the bigger picture. It's fine to say "it's the parents responsibility" but that would only work with parents who are actually interested in raising their children with any sort of values.
Surely the children of those types of parents have bigger problems then a bit of porn and those parents are likely to opt in anyway.
I think this is a good idea. Kids today need to get outside again in the fresh air and scour the countryside for hedge porn like I used to have to do.
I remember hedge porn! The sense of achievement when walking through a secluded park or wooded area and spotting a discarded magazine... that's what children are missing today.
The beginning of censorship, this is bad news. If adult websites are blocked and you have to 'opt-in' will there be a fee? Personally I wont pay for something that's already free anyway, this is just the beginning of a long slippery censorship road.
Well Google has defaulted to "Moderate Safesearch" for a long time now and I haven't seen anyone complaining that they have any problem Googling for porn. Click click click and you can change it to how want it.
If it's something as simple as that, for example built into the browser, I really don't see the problem.
Before the days of internet, porn was only available to those over 18 (legally) and mags films etc.,were much harder to access for youngsters.
I think this is a brilliant idea and a very responsible move by the government. In fact it should have been done years ago.
Some may say that it is the parents responsibility to monitor their childrens activities online but the fact remains it is the duty of the government to make anything unobtainable to underage children/young adults that is not legal by law.
It corrupts young minds and parents may be reckless in leaving it around. I'm not calling for it to be banned just restricted to the appropriate age of 21 and only accessible at certain locations.
Before the days of internet, porn was only available to those over 18 (legally) and mags films etc.,were much harder to access for youngsters.
I think this is a brilliant idea and a very responsible move by the government. In fact it should have been done years ago.
Some may say that it is the parents responsibility to monitor their childrens activities online but the fact remains it is the duty of the government to make anything unobtainable to underage children/young adults that is not legal by law.
Providing your child's not "into computers", you can block their access through the browser. The chances are though, that they'll have a mate who'll explain how to remove this restriction.
Allowing people to 'opt in'? Sounds like their just using this to get their foot in the door. Sooner or later the questionable content wont just be restricted to porn but other things too. Before you know it you have a whole manner of stuff being blocked as big brother wraps its claws around the country.
But by all means let them try to do it. I'm sure the young generation that are out protesting to the government just now would love more things to protest about and i fully support them in bringing the house of cards down once and for all.
Before the days of internet, porn was only available to those over 18 (legally) and mags films etc.,were much harder to access for youngsters.
I think this is a brilliant idea and a very responsible move by the government. In fact it should have been done years ago.
Some may say that it is the parents responsibility to monitor their childrens activities online but the fact remains it is the duty of the government to make anything unobtainable to underage children/young adults that is not legal by law.
Can under 18s 'legally' access internet porn? Me and my class mates were swapping porn movies on VHS before the internet.
The only probably with VHS porn was my heart used to stop at the noise of the bloody machine. I used to think my parents would hear it clunking and rewinding!
When they say 'parents will have to opt-in'... what about those of us who neither have children nor will ever have children anywhere near their computers? It's not my responsibility to sacrifice freedom of browsing for other people who can't be bothered to watch their children's internet use more closely.
When they say 'parents will have to opt-in'... what about those of us who neither have children nor will ever have children anywhere near their computers? It's not my responsibility to sacrifice freedom of browsing for other people who can't be bothered to watch their children's internet use more closely.
I must commend the government on this move. I would encourage parents of young children to 'opt out'. Pornography is as addictive as most drugs, unfortunatley I was exposed to it at a young age. Its a sick industry and to be honest I hope it collapses completely.
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That won't work.
Example. An RIP thread on facebook. Periodically hijacked by 4chan and others, posting very graphic porn whilst the page was being access by everyone from 12 to 80. Facebook sometimes removed it within a few minutes, sometimes it was there for 8-10 hours. Some of this was gore with explicit dismembered bodies. Sick isn't the word. The page was liked by over 5 million people so they could post messages.
On a forum like Mumsnet (also been discussing this issue since November link) one person mentioned how an innocent site can quickly become illegal the moment someone posts a picture or link to pornography. China can't manage to filter things, Iran can't --- and these are places where they threaten you with prison, Australia has failed. Facebook can't manage to keep the stuff off pages - where the images are actually not just links but can be inline. It can be bypassed by any child using a proxy.
If you put the software on your PC then you can control what the kids can access, and allow the parent unrestricted access.
Pornography is legal in this country, not illegal. Until someone makes it illegal then it's a parental control issue, not something which should not be imposed on everyone. There must be free parental control software available -- although like anti-virus it's likely to require a subscription because lists must be updated all the time.
Will they be able to tick a box so that their kids cannot access ANY gay web sites, i.e. pinknews.co.uk? Why stop at porn, why not completely control your child/teenagers entire viewing ability. Athiests can ban all sites about religion. Religious-inclined can ban all Athiest sites. Christians can ban Roman Catholic sites, and on, and on.
The only think that needs to be banned is THICK politicians like Claire Perry, the person behind this.
The Great Firewall of Britain proposed by someone that clearly doesn't quite understand how it all actually works.
It's odd really. They're talking about blocking this content, yet there's nothing preventing a child walking into a library and hiring a sexually-explicit, violent-content book. But when it's on paper, it's "ok"... Not mandatory, and actually opposed by some of the groups they want to use it!
http://www.youtube.com/movies/comedy
Dairy of a Nudist, Catching the Fever. Youtube has nudity on it that could be described as porno by some.
And said grandsons will be scouring hedges to see if anyone's left any second-hand, slightly water-damaged internets discarded there...
Under: Child Protection you have the following tick boxes.
Alcohol & Tobacco
Criminal Activity
Gambling
Hate & Intolerance
Illegal Drug
Nudity
Porn & Sexually
Violence Weapons
School Cheating
Sex Education
Tasteless
Child Abuse Images
You can also block sites by name, or individual protocols, i.e. Instant Messanger, etc.
http://www.draytek.co.uk/products/draytek_wcf.html
I'm asking you.
I will ask Tysonstorm later.
Any answers?
Or just more of the usual?
No it's not.
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If it happens, it'll be opt out.
There's a marked difference between the kind of porn you get online and having "the talk" with little Billy about the birds and the bees.
Don't get me wrong, i'm firmly against the idea of any form of censorship - especially to this level. But I think you have to look at the bigger picture. It's fine to say "it's the parents responsibility" but that would only work with parents who are actually interested in raising their children with any sort of values.
Take it forward a few steps as well - who's to say that many young males don't grow up thinking that the sort of sex they see online is normal ?. And since they think it's normal, would they then start pressuring their girlfriends to "perform" in a similar fashion to some of the women in the clips ?
As I said, i'm firmly against the idea and against censorship. But, that said, I do see where some form of legislation could well be needed.
Anyway, ISP's are saying it's pretty much impossible anyway ..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12041063
One answer to this is to legislate that all new computers be sold with parental software not only installed, but set-up to block content. That way nothing is blocked on the internet, and the means to disable the local censorship is right there in the owners' hands. Include the access codes to the software in the paper documentation, or similar - which'd mean you could still gift a new laptop to your teen, but it'd be pre-blocked and they'd need to come to you to remove it...
...assuming they don't know how to get round that, of course - but if they did, they'd also likely know how to get round The Great Firewall too.
This is you.
Quagmire discovers internet porn
Although that idea was actually a Lib-Dem one not Labour.
Surely the children of those types of parents have bigger problems then a bit of porn and those parents are likely to opt in anyway.
I remember hedge porn! The sense of achievement when walking through a secluded park or wooded area and spotting a discarded magazine... that's what children are missing today.
Well Google has defaulted to "Moderate Safesearch" for a long time now and I haven't seen anyone complaining that they have any problem Googling for porn. Click click click and you can change it to how want it.
If it's something as simple as that, for example built into the browser, I really don't see the problem.
Load of fuss about not much.
I think this is a brilliant idea and a very responsible move by the government. In fact it should have been done years ago.
Some may say that it is the parents responsibility to monitor their childrens activities online but the fact remains it is the duty of the government to make anything unobtainable to underage children/young adults that is not legal by law.
They might have been talking about newsgroups. If not, then yes, I'm stumped as well.
It corrupts young minds and parents may be reckless in leaving it around. I'm not calling for it to be banned just restricted to the appropriate age of 21 and only accessible at certain locations.
Providing your child's not "into computers", you can block their access through the browser. The chances are though, that they'll have a mate who'll explain how to remove this restriction.
But by all means let them try to do it. I'm sure the young generation that are out protesting to the government just now would love more things to protest about and i fully support them in bringing the house of cards down once and for all.
China relaxes on pornography but YouTube is still blocked (June 2010)
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/malcolmmoore/100041760/in-china-pornography-is-fine-but-youtube-is-still-blocked/
Can under 18s 'legally' access internet porn? Me and my class mates were swapping porn movies on VHS before the internet.
The only probably with VHS porn was my heart used to stop at the noise of the bloody machine. I used to think my parents would hear it clunking and rewinding!
I noticed that too. What if you're not a parent?