I think they should have centres for peadophiles where they surrender themselves they would stay in the centre for the rest of their lives and are never allowed to be free again.
If I had these urges I would either surrender to a centre if available or commit suicide so I couldn't harm a child. Of course I imagine these people don't see it as causing harm to a child all they can think about is getting sexually excited and acting on it. Assisted suicide should be offered to these men and women. I don't think chemical castration works because they still have the same thoughts in their heads.
Chemical Castration reduces libido and sexual desire and thoughts , therefore to my mind that would be a better option than offering to help kill themselves.
Not really, it's the same as any disorder. For instance being a sociopath is not in itself a crime, although they are more likely to engage in criminal activity, which obviously is a crime.
Yeeeesss, yes it is. Primarily because being a paedo is - to all intents and purposes - the same as acting as one. Now even if you and all the other apparently naive FMs beg to differ, the fact is that being a paedophile is morally reprehensible and the line is barely distinguishable between that and acting on those urges.
If someone said to you "I wanna **** kids" but doesn't act on those urges, what would your immediate reaction be?
Although I would agree that nonces are mentally unwell, my sympathy currently lies purely with victims and the stomach ache I'm suffering from having eaten all that chocolate this weekend and reading through some of these comments.
Yeeeesss, yes it is. Primarily because being a paedo is - to all intents and purposes - the same as acting as one. Now even if you and all the other apparently naive FMs beg to differ, the fact is that being a paedophile is morally reprehensible and the line is barely distinguishable between that and acting on those urges.
If someone said to you "I wanna **** kids" but doesn't act on those urges, what would your immediate reaction be?
Although I would agree that nonces are mentally unwell, my sympathy currently lies purely with victims and the stomach ache I'm suffering from having eaten all that chocolate this weekend and reading through some of these comments.
Is this a parody? Surely you must grasp that someone isn't a criminal until they've at least conspired or attempted to commit a crime?
You think merely having the attraction is a crime?
To use a previous posters analogy, do you also believe thinking of robbing banks makes you a bank robber?
True. Back when I was a store detective, I would walk around the store thinking "How would I go about stealing things from here?". I would then do something to make that more difficult.
And yes, I'm sure we all have masterplans for robbing banks and many other ideas, but that doesn't mean we would ever do these things. There is nothing wrong in thinking things.
Absolutely right.
You are not a criminal until you have been found guilty of a criminal act.
That does not mean a thief is not a thief. until he is caught .
Not quite true. Anyone who commits a crime a criminal, regardless of whether they are found guilty in court. Many career criminals never get caught and most crimes go unsolved. I take your point that a thief is a thief, but someone who never steals cannot be considered a thief, and that is analogous with a paedophile who never abuses anybody.
I think they should have centres for peadophiles where they surrender themselves they would stay in the centre for the rest of their lives and are never allowed to be free again.
If I had these urges I would either surrender to a centre if available or commit suicide so I couldn't harm a child. Of course I imagine these people don't see it as causing harm to a child all they can think about is getting sexually excited and acting on it. Assisted suicide should be offered to these men and women. I don't think chemical castration works because they still have the same thoughts in their heads.
It's all so easy for you, isn't it Greg? If only the whole of the human race had your moral compass and steadfast resolve!
Yeeeesss, yes it is. Primarily because being a paedo is - to all intents and purposes - the same as acting as one. Now even if you and all the other apparently naive FMs beg to differ, the fact is that being a paedophile is morally reprehensible and the line is barely distinguishable between that and acting on those urges.
If someone said to you "I wanna **** kids" but doesn't act on those urges, what would your immediate reaction be?
Although I would agree that nonces are mentally unwell, my sympathy currently lies purely with victims and the stomach ache I'm suffering from having eaten all that chocolate this weekend and reading through some of these comments.
A paedophile is the person who is attracted sexually to prepubescent children, if they act on that then the crime they commit is sexual abuse / rape of a child. Now if someone told me I would feel repulsed, sick and disgusted, but there lies the problem if we want to help prevent child abuse then we have to look beyond being disgusted and see a way for those people to get help to not act on their urges, somewhere they can turn to..
If we just see them as "nonces" we will get nowhere, a paedophile who has not acted upon their urge has committed no crime as people cannot be prosecuted for thoughts. And surely is it not better to try and make sure that thoughts is all they remain ? or would we rather ignore it and not deal with it as it sickens us and feel sympathy to a victim after the event ?
What I think is that people conflate ideas all the time: paedophilia with child abuse, atheism with anti-theism, opposition to immigration policy with racism...etc.
Yeeeesss, yes it is. Primarily because being a paedo is - to all intents and purposes - the same as acting as one. Now even if you and all the other apparently naive FMs beg to differ, the fact is that being a paedophile is morally reprehensible and the line is barely distinguishable between that and acting on those urges.
If someone said to you "I wanna **** kids" but doesn't act on those urges, what would your immediate reaction be?
Although I would agree that nonces are mentally unwell, my sympathy currently lies purely with victims and the stomach ache I'm suffering from having eaten all that chocolate this weekend and reading through some of these comments.
That's completely and utterly wrong - if we start prosecuting people for their thoughts, rather than their actions, the prisons would be full to bursting.
You could want to murder your wife or husband or Mother or Father or boss.
Until you do it you are not a murderer and cannot be prosecuted for fantasising about it.
There is absolutely no doubt that you know someone who is a paedophile. There are so many of them around, we all must know some. So if no one has ever said to you that they want to **** a child it's because they know you're not one and would take a very dim view indeed of hearing such a thing.
It's the same for the halfwits who chuck pigs into Mosques or vandalise the Jewish cemetery or want to kick a person of X ethnicity to death or who want to rape little old ladies or who want to go to dog or cock fights - if you know what you want to do is illegal or immoral or criminal, you're only going to discuss it with people you know are like you.
Yet, as I understand it, just reading how to make a bomb is considered to be a crime.
Not at all true. I know how a nuclear bomb works, having read about it. I also know the difference between that and a thermonuclear (hydrogen) bomb. I read all about it on Wikipedia. I could post you the link if you like. However, if we start PMing each other with plans to smuggle yellowcake, or details of how to make conventional explosives from household products, then you'll probably get a knock at your door. So don't do it! ;-)
True. Back when I was a store detective, I would walk around the store thinking "How would I go about stealing things from here?". I would then do something to make that more difficult.
And yes, I'm sure we all have masterplans for robbing banks and many other ideas, but that doesn't mean we would ever do these things. There is nothing wrong in thinking things.
I would disagree. I think there is something wrong in having sexual fantasies about children.
There was a program recently on TV where a guy came out and said he fancied kids and didn't want to be that guy now here in the uk to get help he'd of needed to of actually done something to a kid to of got help...surely in this day and age we can help people to get the correct help so they don't cause any trouble in the first place?
Is this a parody? Surely you must grasp that someone isn't a criminal until they've at least conspired or attempted to commit a crime?
I agree totally that the post you were replying to was ludicrous. About your other point : I'm sure I've read a few court reports on the basis that an action may be innocent in itself (no actus reus), but, in the circumstances, it's sole intent was in preparing for a crime.
Hence it became a crime, even if the planned crime never took place.
The vast majority of pedophiles live relatively normal lives, have careers, marriage, kids, etc, without anyone ever suspecting. They just have the ability to put away their thoughts which they know are unacceptable to most.
It's a minority who can't control it and then act on it who become criminals.
I think people would be shocked at the things that really go on in people's minds up and down the street they live on....
There was a program recently on TV where a guy came out and said he fancied kids and didn't want to be that guy now here in the uk to get help he'd of needed to of actually done something to a kid to of got help...surely in this day and age we can help people to get the correct help so they don't cause any trouble in the first place?
Yes, I watched the documentary not long ago. He came over very likeable surprisingly, and was obviously desperate for help, didn't want the thoughts he had and would love to be different. It was a surprising interview, helped by the fact that he was a smart, very self-aware man who just wanted help. I thought he was pretty brave doing it ... mad but brave.
I think they should have centres for peadophiles where they surrender themselves they would stay in the centre for the rest of their lives and are never allowed to be free again.
If I had these urges I would either surrender to a centre if available or commit suicide so I couldn't harm a child. Of course I imagine these people don't see it as causing harm to a child all they can think about is getting sexually excited and acting on it. Assisted suicide should be offered to these men and women. I don't think chemical castration works because they still have the same thoughts in their heads.
One of the most ridiculous posts i have ever read on here
I know how a nuclear bomb works, having read about it. [...] I read all about it on Wikipedia.
'A British law student, who was cleared in the UK's first secret terror trial of plotting an attack, has been jailed for 42 months for possessing a bomb-making manual.'
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Chemical Castration reduces libido and sexual desire and thoughts , therefore to my mind that would be a better option than offering to help kill themselves.
Yeeeesss, yes it is. Primarily because being a paedo is - to all intents and purposes - the same as acting as one. Now even if you and all the other apparently naive FMs beg to differ, the fact is that being a paedophile is morally reprehensible and the line is barely distinguishable between that and acting on those urges.
If someone said to you "I wanna **** kids" but doesn't act on those urges, what would your immediate reaction be?
Although I would agree that nonces are mentally unwell, my sympathy currently lies purely with victims and the stomach ache I'm suffering from having eaten all that chocolate this weekend and reading through some of these comments.
True. Back when I was a store detective, I would walk around the store thinking "How would I go about stealing things from here?". I would then do something to make that more difficult.
And yes, I'm sure we all have masterplans for robbing banks and many other ideas, but that doesn't mean we would ever do these things. There is nothing wrong in thinking things.
Not quite true. Anyone who commits a crime a criminal, regardless of whether they are found guilty in court. Many career criminals never get caught and most crimes go unsolved. I take your point that a thief is a thief, but someone who never steals cannot be considered a thief, and that is analogous with a paedophile who never abuses anybody.
Really?
Are you sure you don't need to be planning to do it for it to be a crime?
It's all so easy for you, isn't it Greg?
A paedophile is the person who is attracted sexually to prepubescent children, if they act on that then the crime they commit is sexual abuse / rape of a child. Now if someone told me I would feel repulsed, sick and disgusted, but there lies the problem if we want to help prevent child abuse then we have to look beyond being disgusted and see a way for those people to get help to not act on their urges, somewhere they can turn to..
If we just see them as "nonces" we will get nowhere, a paedophile who has not acted upon their urge has committed no crime as people cannot be prosecuted for thoughts. And surely is it not better to try and make sure that thoughts is all they remain ? or would we rather ignore it and not deal with it as it sickens us and feel sympathy to a victim after the event ?
Not quite, if it was then that would make every author, playwrite or script writer a criminal for doing research for their characters in crime dramas.
That's completely and utterly wrong - if we start prosecuting people for their thoughts, rather than their actions, the prisons would be full to bursting.
You could want to murder your wife or husband or Mother or Father or boss.
Until you do it you are not a murderer and cannot be prosecuted for fantasising about it.
There is absolutely no doubt that you know someone who is a paedophile. There are so many of them around, we all must know some. So if no one has ever said to you that they want to **** a child it's because they know you're not one and would take a very dim view indeed of hearing such a thing.
It's the same for the halfwits who chuck pigs into Mosques or vandalise the Jewish cemetery or want to kick a person of X ethnicity to death or who want to rape little old ladies or who want to go to dog or cock fights - if you know what you want to do is illegal or immoral or criminal, you're only going to discuss it with people you know are like you.
Just someone unpleasant to avoid if you can.
Not at all true. I know how a nuclear bomb works, having read about it. I also know the difference between that and a thermonuclear (hydrogen) bomb. I read all about it on Wikipedia. I could post you the link if you like. However, if we start PMing each other with plans to smuggle yellowcake, or details of how to make conventional explosives from household products, then you'll probably get a knock at your door. So don't do it! ;-)
If a paedophile doesn't act on his or her urges, he or she has no victims.
Might be a bit obvious that.
I would disagree. I think there is something wrong in having sexual fantasies about children.
I agree totally that the post you were replying to was ludicrous. About your other point : I'm sure I've read a few court reports on the basis that an action may be innocent in itself (no actus reus), but, in the circumstances, it's sole intent was in preparing for a crime.
Hence it became a crime, even if the planned crime never took place.
It's a minority who can't control it and then act on it who become criminals.
I think people would be shocked at the things that really go on in people's minds up and down the street they live on....
Yes, I watched the documentary not long ago. He came over very likeable surprisingly, and was obviously desperate for help, didn't want the thoughts he had and would love to be different. It was a surprising interview, helped by the fact that he was a smart, very self-aware man who just wanted help. I thought he was pretty brave doing it ... mad but brave.
One of the most ridiculous posts i have ever read on here
Indeed
Its a cowardly, sneaky, vile disorder IMO.
'A British law student, who was cleared in the UK's first secret terror trial of plotting an attack, has been jailed for 42 months for possessing a bomb-making manual.'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32142038
As said elsewhere if they can suppress their desires there are no victims. They still have the disorder. And there's sod all they can do about it.