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Snowfalls "a thing of the past" says climate scientist - 10 years ago

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According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

This is from an article dated 20 March 2000.

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    jassijassi Posts: 7,895
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    Clearly an imprecise science ;)
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    MARTYM8MARTYM8 Posts: 44,710
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    It used to be global warming.

    Now winters have got worse in the last few years its 'climate change'. So the snow we are getting today is man made and down to man polutting the planet (odd we had an ice age beforev man existed)
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    Andy2Andy2 Posts: 11,949
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    It just shows how these so-called 'climate scientists' are actually wishing and hoping for MMGW to come true. Most of them exist on government grants and have been willing government mouthpieces on the subject.
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    deptfordbakerdeptfordbaker Posts: 22,368
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    This is, believe it or not supposed to be one of the hottest years we have had.

    It might not seem like that, because the world is actually quite big. Whereas its the coldest in a long time here, its the hottest and driest elsewhere. You have to take the average across the whole globe, not just go out in to your back garden.

    Also look at 1963. That was a freak year where we had snow from October till march several feet deep or something like that.

    If the gulf stream packs up we would be a country similar to Sweden and Russia. Maybe its having an off year. Lots of fresh water from the melting Arctic or oil in the gulf, isn't going to help as salt water is required for it to work.
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    burnesideburneside Posts: 2,951
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    The usual suspects will be along soon with their elastic definition of "a few years".
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    AneechikAneechik Posts: 20,208
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    I've always been of the opinion that climate change is - like every devout belief - exagerrated by its proponents for dramatic effect.

    However, in light of the Chinese pink rivers, sewage washed up on pretty much every seashore in the country, the cloud of smog that hangs over London, increasing respiratory illnesses, the hole in the ozone layer and related skin cancers, I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that something shouldn't be done about pollution, whether it causes global warming or not.
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    PoliticoRNPoliticoRN Posts: 5,519
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    jassi wrote: »
    Clearly an imprecise consensus of interested parties ;)

    Fixed it for you.
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    AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,504
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    This is, believe it or not supposed to be one of the hottest years we have had.

    It might not seem like that, because the world is actually quite big. Whereas its the coldest in a long time here, its the hottest and driest elsewhere. You have to take the average across the whole globe, not just go out in to your back garden.

    Also look at 1963. That was a freak year where we had snow from October till march several feet deep or something like that.

    If the gulf stream packs up we would be a country similar to Sweden and Russia. Maybe its having an off year. Lots of fresh water from the melting Arctic or oil in the gulf, isn't going to help as salt water is required for it to work.

    I remember it well.:(

    And 1947.:(
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    saul levisaul levi Posts: 446
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    A certain poster should be along shortly to insist that Viner was right, and that it's not really snowing outside, that it's just the odd solitary flake compared to when he was a boy. And to prove this he'll then supply a link to snowfalls in the 80's, only problem being the links will show that these snowfalls weren't actually as bad as what we're getting today.

    But that won't matter, as he'll still claim that they prove his point.
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    trunkstertrunkster Posts: 14,468
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    Andy2 wrote: »
    It just shows how these so-called 'climate scientists' are actually wishing and hoping for MMGW to come true. Most of them exist on government grants and have been willing government mouthpieces on the subject.

    Exactly, climate scientists are hardly going to say 'hell sh*t, the weather and climate on this planet is pretty unpredictable' when the government fund them - or turkeys aren't going to vote for Christmas.
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    OvertheUnderOvertheUnder Posts: 4,764
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    just because It's snowed more in the last 2 winters doesn't constitute a weather pattern. Perhaps if it snowed every winter for the next 15 yrs then things might different.
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    trunkstertrunkster Posts: 14,468
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    just because It's snowed more in the last 2 winters doesn't constitute a weather pattern. Perhaps if it snowed every winter for the next 15 yrs then things might different.

    All it proves is is this planets weather and climate cycles are pretty much unpredictable.
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    andyknandykn Posts: 66,849
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    As we discussed only a week or two ago, the article says (in 2000)

    "Heavy snow will return occasionally, says Dr Viner, but when it does we will be unprepared. "We're really going to get caught out. Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time," he said."

    http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html

    Looks he was spot on, if a bit cautious.
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    cheesy_pastycheesy_pasty Posts: 4,302
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    andykn wrote: »
    As we discussed only a week or two ago, the article says (in 2000)

    "Heavy snow will return occasionally, says Dr Viner, but when it does we will be unprepared. "We're really going to get caught out. Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time," he said."

    http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html

    Looks he was spot on, if a bit cautious.

    Clutching at straws? ;)
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    AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,504
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    just because It's snowed more in the last 2 winters doesn't constitute a weather pattern. Perhaps if it snowed every winter for the next 15 yrs then things might different.

    But it used to snow every winter when I was a child. My birthday is in February and I remember that many of my birthdays I was out playing in the snow.
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    andyknandykn Posts: 66,849
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    Clutching at straws? ;)

    Straws? What he actually said? Bizarre.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 16,275
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    Aneechik wrote: »
    I've always been of the opinion that climate change is - like every devout belief - exagerrated by its proponents for dramatic effect.

    However, in light of the Chinese pink rivers, sewage washed up on pretty much every seashore in the country, the cloud of smog that hangs over London, increasing respiratory illnesses, the hole in the ozone layer and related skin cancers, I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that something shouldn't be done about pollution, whether it causes global warming or not.

    'Climate change' has actually been an amazing tool to deflect people from thinking about pollution. Companies with their 'we're doing our bit to reduce our carbon footprint' while saying nothing about the raw waste getting dumped in the rivers and seas.
    Climate change is just a smokescreen for big buisness.
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    Phil 2804Phil 2804 Posts: 21,846
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    Also look at 1963. That was a freak year where we had snow from October till march several feet deep or something like that.

    If the gulf stream packs up we would be a country similar to Sweden and Russia. Maybe its having an off year. Lots of fresh water from the melting Arctic or oil in the gulf, isn't going to help as salt water is required for it to work.


    THAT is just rubbish.

    For starters the winter of 1962/63 famously didn't start until Christmas. Widespread snow in Britain before Christmas is actually an unusual occurance (hence why even in snow prone parts of Scotland white Christmases are hit and miss) as in fact it is in North America.

    Second the last two winters have been down to the Jet Stream (which is far more important for UK weather than the Gulf Stream entering what is known as an Omega Block. This blocking fixes the weather into one pattern for a prolonged period of time. In winter it usually means the normal mild wet weather from the atlantic is shut off and we get prolonged cold from the North and East.

    The BBC explains it all perfectly in this video.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/hi/news/newsid_9221000/9221616.stm

    It used to be a regual feature of winter in Britain right up to the late 1980s but for whatever reason failed to materialise for 20 odd years, coincinding with the start of the "climate change" garbage.
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    Phil 2804Phil 2804 Posts: 21,846
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    just because It's snowed more in the last 2 winters doesn't constitute a weather pattern. Perhaps if it snowed every winter for the next 15 yrs then things might different.

    These prolonged cold spells used to happen nearly every other winter in Britain. Hence why even less famous years like 1987,1986,1985,1982,1979 and so on had months where the average recorded temperature was barely above freezing point or indeed below.

    Last winter and, it looks like this one, are in fact the return of normality for all of us who remember winters before 1991.
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    CapablancaCapablanca Posts: 5,130
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    andykn wrote: »
    Straws? What he actually said? Bizarre.

    :D Come on Andy...you know as well as everyone else he wasn't anticipating or describing 4 or 5 significant bouts of snow in under 2 years.

    He was anticipating snow every 5 or 10 years as we experienced through the 90s/00s, with even those infrequent falls becoming rarer thus causing havoc if and when they came.

    I suspect we'll be rather better prepared in the future as it looks like we'll have to be.
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    You_moYou_mo Posts: 11,334
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    This is, believe it or not supposed to be one of the hottest years we have had.

    It might not seem like that, because the world is actually quite big. Whereas its the coldest in a long time here, its the hottest and driest elsewhere. You have to take the average across the whole globe, not just go out in to your back garden.

    Also look at 1963. That was a freak year where we had snow from October till march several feet deep or something like that.

    If the gulf stream packs up we would be a country similar to Sweden and Russia. Maybe its having an off year. Lots of fresh water from the melting Arctic or oil in the gulf, isn't going to help as salt water is required for it to work.

    People tend to believe only what's happening under their own noses.
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    phylo_roadkingphylo_roadking Posts: 21,339
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    I suspect we'll be rather better prepared in the future as it looks like we'll have to be.

    Strangely enough - prbably not. For preparation costs MONEY, that precious and rare commodity that seems to be in short supply at every level of national or local government spending at the minute - so we are repeatedly told.

    If we can cut the SAS when they're actually abroad and fighting to save money...how on earth do you think we'll spend money on something that might not happen again so severely for X number of years?
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    deptfordbakerdeptfordbaker Posts: 22,368
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    Phil 2804 wrote: »
    THAT is just rubbish.

    For starters the winter of 1962/63 famously didn't start until Christmas. Widespread snow in Britain before Christmas is actually an unusual occurance (hence why even in snow prone parts of Scotland white Christmases are hit and miss) as in fact it is in North America.

    Second the last two winters have been down to the Jet Stream (which is far more important for UK weather than the Gulf Stream entering what is known as an Omega Block. This blocking fixes the weather into one pattern for a prolonged period of time. In winter it usually means the normal mild wet weather from the atlantic is shut off and we get prolonged cold from the North and East.

    The BBC explains it all perfectly in this video.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/hi/news/newsid_9221000/9221616.stm

    It used to be a regual feature of winter in Britain right up to the late 1980s but for whatever reason failed to materialise for 20 odd years, coincinding with the start of the "climate change" garbage.

    1. Please don't begin you replies, on scientific debates with, 'Rubbish', it rarely makes you sound objective.

    2. Your more vivid recollection of 1963 doesn't change the fact that occasionally we have freak weather conditions.

    3. As usual, people are always coming up with new theories on well established scientific thinking. Sometimes they are right and sometimes they are wrong.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_Stream
    The Gulf Stream, together with its northern extension towards Europe, the North Atlantic Drift, is a powerful, warm, and swift Atlantic ocean current that originates at the tip of Florida, and follows the eastern coastlines of the United States and Newfoundland before crossing the Atlantic Ocean. The process of western intensification causes the Gulf Stream to be a northward accelerating current off the east coast of North America. At about 40°0′N 30°0′W / 40°N 30°W / 40; -30, it splits in two, with the northern stream crossing to northern Europe and the southern stream recirculating off West Africa. The Gulf Stream influences the climate of the east coast of North America from Florida to Newfoundland, and the west coast of Europe. Although there has been recent debate, there is consensus that the climate of Western Europe and Northern Europe is warmer than it would otherwise be due to the North Atlantic drift, one of the branches from the tail of the Gulf Stream. It is part of the North Atlantic Gyre. Its presence has led to the development of strong cyclones of all types, both within the atmosphere and within the ocean. The Gulf Stream is also a significant potential source of renewable power generation.
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    alanr74alanr74 Posts: 4,684
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    MARTYM8 wrote: »
    It used to be global warming.

    It was, but then people didn't understand that the global change would increase, but locally places could be colder (especially in winters).

    this of course makes people state 'it used to be global warming', when it is still global warming, just a better name so people understand better.
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    *Sparkle**Sparkle* Posts: 10,957
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    andykn wrote: »
    Straws? What he actually said? Bizarre.
    Remeber - selective quoting is only allowed if it supports the appropriate side.
    alanr74 wrote: »
    It was, but then people didn't understand that the global change would increase, but locally places could be colder (especially in winters).

    this of course makes people state 'it used to be global warming', when it is still global warming, just a better name so people understand better.
    It's been known as climate change to everyone with an understanding of what is happening for years. I tend to think that people who still insist on talking about global warming are either not paying attention, or are deliberately hoping to undermine the debate when the inevitable cold snap comes along. The Express group newspapers like to scoff as "so-called global warming" every time it's not roasty-toasty.

    It really bugs me when people say they want global warming so we'll be like the south of France. I know most of the time they are joking, but there is a good chance of our weather getting worse, as well as less predictable.

    Extreme weather events, such as the Pakistani monsoons etc are all plausible consequences of climate change, and people who think that it was ever about moving to the Med need to adjust their expectations now. Presuming they are actually interested, and aren't looking for excuses to keep producing as much CO2 as they like.
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