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Lets call it a Coup d'état.
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Are the Liberals and Labour Seriously suggesting that they will join forces, and disenfranchise the voters who voted Tory.
The party with the most seats, votes and swing in favour?
The English love an underdog. And seeing Libs and Labs team up to deny Tory vote. Get ready for civil unrest, and labour AND the LibDems slaughtered at any future elections.
Brown really is useless. Even in his last act, he garuntees the destruction of the Labour Party.
The party with the most seats, votes and swing in favour?
The English love an underdog. And seeing Libs and Labs team up to deny Tory vote. Get ready for civil unrest, and labour AND the LibDems slaughtered at any future elections.
Brown really is useless. Even in his last act, he garuntees the destruction of the Labour Party.
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But sadly not the demise of two of the most poisonous men in politics Campbell and Mandelson.:(
It sticks in my craw that that Campbell is still being paid out of the public purse and has no official elected status at all.
or maybe not.
What is it this week? Has everyone just returned from drama school or something?
what about the people who voted for labour/lib dem, there are more of them than those who voted for the tories.
nick clegg has tried to make a deal with the devil and no one knows the outcome yet.
But no way near a majority and 65% of the country voted against them...
What if Labour just "change it" to suit themselves as they seem to be suggesting?
Its a coup. Plain as day.
Labour are going to suffer for this. My god and they know it.
This is going to be a disaster for them.
So the party that was voted 71% against, and lost 100 seats should for the government?
And no, you cant just claim Liberal votes as Labour votes on a "progressive" ticket.
1. No one stood on a LibLab ticket.
2. Progressive is just a word. They can say it. But do progressive parties start illegal wars, increase gap to rich and poor, put more people on the dole and benefits, charge for tution fees.....etc.
There was no "progressive" ticket.
1. Nobody stood on a Lib/Con ticket either. Are you therefore suggesting that the Conservatives should not have an alliance with the LibDems?
Nope. 64% of the country voted for parties other than the Conservatives, there is no option on the ballot paper to vote against a party in our system.
Dave
I take your point. However, if Labour and the Lib Dems had formed an election pact, we'd very likely have a Lab/Lib majority government by now.
Also, the Tories won the most seats and had the most momentum – no one would disagree with that. But they did not win a majority, so have no fundamental right to govern. You can call it unfair, but that's how the electoral system works – you know, the one the Tories want to keep largely the same?
At the end of the day, you have to face the fact that not enough people voted for any one party to have a majority. So the parties are free to try to deal with each other to form a coalition government.
They are not proposing to change the voting system without a referendum. It will only be done that way round so that if the public vote yes in the referendum then it will be implemented immediately.
Nor is this a coup. A coup involves taking power from a government against the constitution. The Tories have not secured the right to have government yet, so there cannot be a coup against them.
Yep. the 52%+ are trying to launch a Coup d'etat against the 36%. Its an outrage, and the stuff revolutions are made of.
What 52%? Labour stealing LibDem votes now and claming them as their own?
You did'nt get 52% oif the vote. You lost 100 Seats. Lib Dems lost seats. You both lost votes. Only one party is gaining. Tory. And they were overwhelmingly returned in England.
Are you suggesting that England should be run by the Scots? With not a say in it?
Labour are finished and youand they knwo it. This is just a last and very very desperate attempt to cling to power. Which is going to result in death opf Labour parety and Lib Dems in England.
Brown is commiting political suicicde for Labour.
So do you think people voted for a Lib/Con alliance then?
If I were the Tories I would actually think it was a lucky escape. They don't have to take the flack for the public spending cuts now!
Here, you seem to have dropped this teddy bear...
Who is You, exactly?
Anmyway, a few facts. If "You" is Labour and the Lib Dems, then they did get 52% of the vote. And more if minor parties added.
And the Lib Dems did not lose votes - they increased their share of the vote.
But of course, if your view is that denying a party with 36% of the vote the right to rule is a Coup d'état then I suspect you don't care too much about any of that.
Exactly. Seeing as so few were fooled by Cameron's 'Vote for Change' nonsense, it seems entirely fair to keep the Tories out of power.
And yet they lost seats. It boggles the mind that a party can gain more votes and consequently end up less represented in Parliament.
Isn't deomcracy supposed to be a fair system, where every citizen is equal? Isn't that the idea? How is it that some votes end up counting for more, then? It's bloody crazy!
Yet we're told that a LibLab alliance would equal a coup against the rightly elected Conservatives. Even though only a little over a third of the country wants a Conservative government.
The funny thing is, even if you completely support our current system, the Conservatives don't have any right to form a government. They failed to secure a majority and constitutional convention dictates that the prior incumbant government gets the first chance to try and form a new, stable government in a hung parliament.
That's not a coup, that's the way our political system works. If you don't like that...well you better push for a refurendum on overhauling our political sytem, then.
That's the corrupting and discredited 'first part the post' system for you,
You really haven't got a clue, have you? If Labour mps and LibDem mps, who were all legally elected, decide to join forces and form a government, how is that a coup d'etat? To turn your argument around, if the Tories form a government, which wasn't voted in by the majority of the electorate, what about all the disenfranchised Labour and LibDem supporters who combined outnumber the Tories? Coup d'etat? Give me a break!
There are two separate issues - voting reform and parliamentary democracy - it seems to me that for those who supported Cameron it is the second that they are most bewildered about,
Now I didn't vote for Labour to remain in power (after in my view letting down the good will towards them in 97) but all this talk of civil unrest and stealing power obscures the fact that our system demands individual members of parliament group together for their mutual benefit until one such grouping command a majority. The Tories weren't able to get enough votes on the night to do this and need to negotiate. The fact that they haven't done enough to woo the lib dems is their look out. If they genuinely believe they can't go beyond their manifesto, fine, call the libdems bluff, vote down a Lib Lab Queen's Speech with Labour dissenters and have a new General Election.
Team Cameron has shown they are not nearly as tough as the lib dem negotiators and in my opinion should have set a Sunday night deadline.
English anger at this mess suggests to me that either there is a fundamental misunderstanding about how a parliamentary democracy works or a real desire to move to a presidential run-off system. We could easily elect our PM as they do a President in the US or perhaps better as they do in France. A directly elected PM would need to work with a proportionately elected parliament to reflect the will of the people. Now, personally I don't have a problem with our current parliamentary system, but it seems many people do. A combination of the media, Thatcher and Blair have caused us to adopt a presidential model of elections and governing that doesn't fit our centuries old system.
The Government has been elected with a minority vote for as long as I can remember.
I presume that you also consider it a coup when 65% voted against Margaret Thatcher's government in 1979 and in every subsequent win when they had a minority vote.