I feel like a disgusting traitor saying this but I hope we get destroyed by Dortmund on Wednesday. Wenger simply has to go and only the loss of CL football is likely to lead to action against him or the man himself walking away. Klopp wants to come, we HAVE to get him.
Any supporter that wants their team to lose is not a supporter of that team.
This negativity seems to be a case of the moaners are more vocal then the silent happy fans. Similar to the Scotland independence vote. If fans are happy they aren't going to be coming out making a point of it. So majority of the negative posts on the internet are actually in the minority.
I just don't get people's obsession with Klopp? He got a team relegated and looks well on his way to doing so again. Sure you can make excuses about injuries but look at us too. Klopp isn't fit enough to lace Wenger's boots. He is in the same league as Rodgers.
We could be doing a lot worse, we could always be like Liverpool, or Spurs. Call me deluded but I truly believe we will be winning much more than the likes of Citeh and Chelsea in the near future. Sad thing is when we do, I fear Wenger won't be remembered for the sacrifices he made.
I just don't get people's obsession with Klopp? He got a team relegated and looks well on his way to doing so again. Sure you can make excuses about injuries but look at us too. Klopp isn't fit enough to lace Wenger's boots. He is in the same league as Rodgers.
We could be doing a lot worse, we could always be like Liverpool, or Spurs. Call me deluded but I truly believe we will be winning much more than the likes of Citeh and Chelsea in the near future. Sad thing is when we do, I fear Wenger won't be remembered for the sacrifices he made.
This negativity seems to be a case of the moaners are more vocal then the silent happy fans. Similar to the Scotland independence vote. If fans are happy they aren't going to be coming out making a point of it. So majority of the negative posts on the internet are actually in the minority.
You are right that bad news hits the headlines more than good news but I don't think you can say any fans are happy with the way things are going lately.
He has kept us in the Champions League for a long time now which is a great achievement but we seem stuck in 3rd or 4th and going nowhere.
I think as soon as we don't get fourth he will go, he's a good manager but the game has moved on and left him trailing.
Still don't trust the man an inch but you have to admire his ability to sense which way the wind is blowing and jump on the bandwagon. I suspect it's yet another cynical attempt to appeal to the fans but, at the very least, it's someone with a significant financial interest in the club speaking out against Arsene.
So right can't trust the slimey git, but its good to see someone of power speak up. Even if its just so fans back him to get the club. Stan will probs slap him down for it though.
I just don't get people's obsession with Klopp? He got a team relegated and looks well on his way to doing so again. Sure you can make excuses about injuries but look at us too. Klopp isn't fit enough to lace Wenger's boots. He is in the same league as Rodgers.
We could be doing a lot worse, we could always be like Liverpool, or Spurs. Call me deluded but I truly believe we will be winning much more than the likes of Citeh and Chelsea in the near future. Sad thing is when we do, I fear Wenger won't be remembered for the sacrifices he made.
Unreal.
Remember, whilst we had to continually sell our best players because we couldn't afford to keep them, Wenger was still trousering £8m a year instead of taking a pay cut to keep us competitive.
Klopp may or may not be a good idea. One thing is fact - he is infinitely a much better idea than Wenger.
The tide is finally turning, another great piece by one of the better journalists saying it's time for him to step aside. It's hard to see the speculation and pressure not increasing with every bad result from here on and, sadly, I suspect we still have many more of them coming.
I honestly don't think he has the ego and temperament to deal with this and something will break sooner rather than later. I'm more sure than ever he won't be here next season and the end may come much sooner than that.
Klopp may or may not be a good idea. One thing is fact - he is infinitely a much better idea than Wenger.
ANYBODY is a better idea than Wenger at the moment. Honestly I think almost any manager could get much more out of this squad. I just want a fresh face; Klopp or Rogers, it really doesn't matter. Even someone we've never heard of. How many of us knew Wenger when he was appointed?
Apparently Gazidis met up with Wenger at the training ground yesterday. Not an usual occurrence by all accounts. Maybe nothing in it but there is some pressure mounting on the manager. I know Stan is only concerned about his bank balance but unrest amongst the fans during the matches and if they then don't bother to turn up, seat paid for or not then something will have to give eventually. Loss of matchday revenue, programmes, food and drink, merchandise etc etc can only be ignored for so long.
Wenger's presser ahead of the Dortmund clash has just finished. Had Ramsey along side him....He says Koscielny and Welbeck are in the squad, but Wilshere, Szczezny and Walcott are out.
On the recent criticism aimed at him: ""I've shown I can take criticism in the 18 years I have been here. Everyone has the right to an opinion. We must show solidarity."
He's asked if he still thinks Arsenal can have a good season. He says: "I believe in what I do and I believe in my players, their quality and their spirit. There's a very strong bond inside the team and inside the club. We will have a very strong season."
He also says of the club's current injury problems: "When you play 50 or 60 games a season you go through difficult spells."
Ramsey: "We're not too concerned about what's been said about us. We had a good game against Manchester United. It was very frustrating. We had plenty of opportunities to score but it's important to look forward."
But on the plus side, he says that the United match was "the first time I've felt physically sharp [since returning from injury]". He adds: "I still believe in my qualities and I know I can show them. "Everybody wants to work hard for each other," he says. "Hopefully we can do that tomorrow night."
Wenger: Dortmund have had similar troubles to Arsenal. "They have had many injuries at the start of the season too."
He's asked about Jurgen Klopp, the man who Piers Morgan suggested should take his job. He says: "You need the same qualities to manage in England that you do in Germany."
ANYBODY is a better idea than Wenger at the moment. Honestly I think almost any manager could get much more out of this squad. I just want a fresh face; Klopp or Rogers, it really doesn't matter. Even someone we've never heard of. How many of us knew Wenger when he was appointed?
I think this is the key point. Are we getting out of our players what we should? I think not and that many other managers would have got better results with the same players recently/. That we see the same things happening over and over again, season after season tells it own story.
I think this is the key point. Are we getting out of our players what we should? I think not and that many other managers would have got better results with the same players recently/. That we see the same things happening over and over again, season after season tells it own story.
That's exactly it David and one of the things I will never understand about the Wenger supporters. How do they know he's doing the best possible job with what he has when nobody else has had a chance to try and do better? For gods sake we are going nowhere, let's take a chance of somebody new.
For all the talk about the money Chelsea and City have, does anybody here believe that if Mourinho had been given the same resources as Arsene that he wouldn't have won numerous things in the same amount of time? I'm damned sure of it. We should be actively looking for the next Mourinho, not sticking with a French version whose best days were more than ten years ago.
He also says of the club's current injury problems: "When you play 50 or 60 games a season you go through difficult spells."
Someone should tell the senile old fool that we haven't played anywhere near 50 or 60 games yet this season. Honestly the same problems year after year after year and for all his talk of investigations and finding the core of our continuing injury problems NOTHING changes. Sheer incompetence and negligence.
Any supporter that wants their team to lose is not a supporter of that team.
This negativity seems to be a case of the moaners are more vocal then the silent happy fans. Similar to the Scotland independence vote. If fans are happy they aren't going to be coming out making a point of it. So majority of the negative posts on the internet are actually in the minority.
That doesn't sound promising. Looks like a lengthy period out again.
Wilshere might need to re-think his position, whether to be a dynamic, driving attacking midfielder or a holding midfielder pulling the strings like he does for England.
Remember, whilst we had to continually sell our best players because we couldn't afford to keep them, Wenger was still trousering £8m a year instead of taking a pay cut to keep us competitive.
Klopp may or may not be a good idea. One thing is fact - he is infinitely a much better idea than Wenger.
Infinitely? I would be very interested to know how you came to that conclusion. Also I highly doubt Wenger would be on £8 million a year if he was making the club worse off. There is something going on behind the scenes that very few people are aware of, and we will probably find out after he leaves the club.
That's exactly it David and one of the things I will never understand about the Wenger supporters. How do they know he's doing the best possible job with what he has when nobody else has had a chance to try and do better? For gods sake we are going nowhere, let's take a chance of somebody new.
For all the talk about the money Chelsea and City have, does anybody here believe that if Mourinho had been given the same resources as Arsene that he wouldn't have won numerous things in the same amount of time? I'm damned sure of it. We should be actively looking for the next Mourinho, not sticking with a French version whose best days were more than ten years ago.
Someone should tell the senile old fool that we haven't played anywhere near 50 or 60 games yet this season. Honestly the same problems year after year after year and for all his talk of investigations and finding the core of our continuing injury problems NOTHING changes. Sheer incompetence and negligence.
I'm not trying to start an argument but it is unfair to compare Wenger to Mourinho. Mourinho wouldn't even consider being part of such a great re-building process. He openly admitted it in that press conference (the same one where he said the "specialist in failure" speech). If things are not going his way he does not hang around for long, and we don't need managers like that.
Calling Wenger a senile old fool as is highly disrespectful considering all he has done for us. He can definitely do a better job managing us and dealing with injuries but we could be doing a lot worse.
The tide is finally turning, another great piece by one of the better journalists saying it's time for him to step aside. It's hard to see the speculation and pressure not increasing with every bad result from here on and, sadly, I suspect we still have many more of them coming.
I honestly don't think he has the ego and temperament to deal with this and something will break sooner rather than later. I'm more sure than ever he won't be here next season and the end may come much sooner than that.
I'm glad the press are finally turning against him - I don't know why it's taken so long for people to finally get it.
However I don't think he will leave, no matter how much heat comes his way. I reckon he'll still be at Arsenal next season, doing exactly the same as he is now.
I don't quite get all this 'something is going on we don't know about' his disciples are spouting - it's like something out of MI5, we need to call in George Smiley!
I'm not trying to start an argument but it is unfair to compare Wenger to Mourinho. Mourinho wouldn't even consider being part of such a great re-building process. He openly admitted it in that press conference (the same one where he said the "specialist in failure" speech). If things are not going his way he does not hang around for long, and we don't need managers like that.
Ahhhh, the 'great re-building process' myth. Tell me, what has Arsene 'rebuilt' exactly? After his initial couple of years with us what failed project has he been responsible for rescuing from the bottom up? What underachievers has he spectacularly transformed into champions? What water has he turned into wine?
As far as I can see he turned us into title winners in his second season (almost twenty years ago now) and since then we have been permanent members of the top four so what, precisely, is this 'great rebuilding' project we have all been witness to? To my mind he has done little more than maintain our position which isn't quite the same is it? He has been given enormous resources (on salaries alone we are the eleventh best paid team in WORLD sport) and has done nothing more than maintain the status quo. Great rebuilding project in your dreams.
Maybe Mourinho wouldn't have come to us, that's not the point. It's merely a question of recognising that much more could have been made of the huge resources available to Arsene (whether he has been short changed by the board or not). And I hate to break it to you but our ten years of underachievement against Mourinho's enviable success record even when moving from club to club is actually a very strong argument in favour of changing managers regularly.
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This negativity seems to be a case of the moaners are more vocal then the silent happy fans. Similar to the Scotland independence vote. If fans are happy they aren't going to be coming out making a point of it. So majority of the negative posts on the internet are actually in the minority.
You're first post is nonsense but I fully agree with this.
There's never a time when you should want your team to lose- whatever, whenever, however.
This is a decent piece - not too much I disagree with here.
http://www.football365.com/john-nicholson/9577616/John-Nicholson
Fabulous article - I could have written it myself. At least some people are beginning to see him for what he is.
Viva la Revolution!
http://www.espnfc.com/club/arsenal/359/blog/post/2160543/arsenal-are-in-limbo-until-arsene-wenger-leaves-premier-league
Love the articles. Very well said!
We could be doing a lot worse, we could always be like Liverpool, or Spurs. Call me deluded but I truly believe we will be winning much more than the likes of Citeh and Chelsea in the near future. Sad thing is when we do, I fear Wenger won't be remembered for the sacrifices he made.
I'll just paste my 2010 answer into this one.
1) Absolutely Yes - and for many years after that
2) Absolutely Yes - and for many years after that
2) Yes, Wenger will see out his contract - and maybe into infinity and beyond
You're deluded.
Agreed.
anyone who thinks Wenger has made sacrifices is crazy £8mil a year and continuing his vanity project at the expense of the club
You are right that bad news hits the headlines more than good news but I don't think you can say any fans are happy with the way things are going lately.
He has kept us in the Champions League for a long time now which is a great achievement but we seem stuck in 3rd or 4th and going nowhere.
I think as soon as we don't get fourth he will go, he's a good manager but the game has moved on and left him trailing.
So right can't trust the slimey git, but its good to see someone of power speak up. Even if its just so fans back him to get the club. Stan will probs slap him down for it though.
Unreal.
Remember, whilst we had to continually sell our best players because we couldn't afford to keep them, Wenger was still trousering £8m a year instead of taking a pay cut to keep us competitive.
Klopp may or may not be a good idea. One thing is fact - he is infinitely a much better idea than Wenger.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/11251725/Arsene-Wenger-is-making-a-powerful-case-for-his-departure-from-Arsenal-this-summer.html
I honestly don't think he has the ego and temperament to deal with this and something will break sooner rather than later. I'm more sure than ever he won't be here next season and the end may come much sooner than that.
ANYBODY is a better idea than Wenger at the moment. Honestly I think almost any manager could get much more out of this squad. I just want a fresh face; Klopp or Rogers, it really doesn't matter. Even someone we've never heard of. How many of us knew Wenger when he was appointed?
On the recent criticism aimed at him: ""I've shown I can take criticism in the 18 years I have been here. Everyone has the right to an opinion. We must show solidarity."
He's asked if he still thinks Arsenal can have a good season. He says: "I believe in what I do and I believe in my players, their quality and their spirit. There's a very strong bond inside the team and inside the club. We will have a very strong season."
He also says of the club's current injury problems: "When you play 50 or 60 games a season you go through difficult spells."
Ramsey: "We're not too concerned about what's been said about us. We had a good game against Manchester United. It was very frustrating. We had plenty of opportunities to score but it's important to look forward."
But on the plus side, he says that the United match was "the first time I've felt physically sharp [since returning from injury]". He adds: "I still believe in my qualities and I know I can show them. "Everybody wants to work hard for each other," he says. "Hopefully we can do that tomorrow night."
Wenger: Dortmund have had similar troubles to Arsenal. "They have had many injuries at the start of the season too."
He's asked about Jurgen Klopp, the man who Piers Morgan suggested should take his job. He says: "You need the same qualities to manage in England that you do in Germany."
I think this is the key point. Are we getting out of our players what we should? I think not and that many other managers would have got better results with the same players recently/. That we see the same things happening over and over again, season after season tells it own story.
That's exactly it David and one of the things I will never understand about the Wenger supporters. How do they know he's doing the best possible job with what he has when nobody else has had a chance to try and do better? For gods sake we are going nowhere, let's take a chance of somebody new.
For all the talk about the money Chelsea and City have, does anybody here believe that if Mourinho had been given the same resources as Arsene that he wouldn't have won numerous things in the same amount of time? I'm damned sure of it. We should be actively looking for the next Mourinho, not sticking with a French version whose best days were more than ten years ago.
Someone should tell the senile old fool that we haven't played anywhere near 50 or 60 games yet this season. Honestly the same problems year after year after year and for all his talk of investigations and finding the core of our continuing injury problems NOTHING changes. Sheer incompetence and negligence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
Try again.
That doesn't sound promising. Looks like a lengthy period out again.
Wilshere might need to re-think his position, whether to be a dynamic, driving attacking midfielder or a holding midfielder pulling the strings like he does for England.
I'm not trying to start an argument but it is unfair to compare Wenger to Mourinho. Mourinho wouldn't even consider being part of such a great re-building process. He openly admitted it in that press conference (the same one where he said the "specialist in failure" speech). If things are not going his way he does not hang around for long, and we don't need managers like that.
Calling Wenger a senile old fool as is highly disrespectful considering all he has done for us. He can definitely do a better job managing us and dealing with injuries but we could be doing a lot worse.
I'm glad the press are finally turning against him - I don't know why it's taken so long for people to finally get it.
However I don't think he will leave, no matter how much heat comes his way. I reckon he'll still be at Arsenal next season, doing exactly the same as he is now.
I don't quite get all this 'something is going on we don't know about' his disciples are spouting - it's like something out of MI5, we need to call in George Smiley!
Ahhhh, the 'great re-building process' myth. Tell me, what has Arsene 'rebuilt' exactly? After his initial couple of years with us what failed project has he been responsible for rescuing from the bottom up? What underachievers has he spectacularly transformed into champions? What water has he turned into wine?
As far as I can see he turned us into title winners in his second season (almost twenty years ago now) and since then we have been permanent members of the top four so what, precisely, is this 'great rebuilding' project we have all been witness to? To my mind he has done little more than maintain our position which isn't quite the same is it? He has been given enormous resources (on salaries alone we are the eleventh best paid team in WORLD sport) and has done nothing more than maintain the status quo. Great rebuilding project in your dreams.
Maybe Mourinho wouldn't have come to us, that's not the point. It's merely a question of recognising that much more could have been made of the huge resources available to Arsene (whether he has been short changed by the board or not). And I hate to break it to you but our ten years of underachievement against Mourinho's enviable success record even when moving from club to club is actually a very strong argument in favour of changing managers regularly.