It doesn't matter. She still controlled the discussion around the table, controlled Jale and Kim along with Danielle when they were plotting in the bedroom. Total double standards from Ashleigh stans as usual
How many times does it have to be pointed out that Kim HELD a meeting minus Helen, her and Jale wanted to save Marlon over Ash, exactly what part of that did Ashleigh control or manipulate?
How many times does it have to be pointed out that Kim HELD a meeting minus Helen, her and Jale wanted to save Marlon over Ash, exactly what part of that did Ashleigh control or manipulate?
Ashleigh called the meeting, she said she wanted a meeting with the girls without Helen and it was Kim who passed the message on to Jale or was this another time?
How many times does it have to be pointed out that Kim HELD a meeting minus Helen, her and Jale wanted to save Marlon over Ash, exactly what part of that did Ashleigh control or manipulate?
Oooh put the handbag away dear, getting a little defensive. Thou shalt not call Saint Ashleigh's behaviour into question, and only vilify the evil one known as Helen
Oooh put the handbag away dear, getting a little defensive. Thou shalt not call Saint Ashleigh's behaviour into question, and only vilify the evil one known as Helen
You havent responded to any of my points I notice?
Well, I can see that you Ashleigh fans are not going to acknowledge that Helen had every right to argue to take Ash, so I'll yet you all whinge about that one in peace.
But, before I go. I'd like to know (and I've raised it a few times without reply already), what you thought of Chris taking a back seat during the discussions. No-one can honestly talk about Helen overriding the group when one member of that group didn't offer a view to be overridden.
I think it's irrelevant whether Chris pitched in or not ...... Helen was still outnumbered without Chris' vote - yet she still got her way. (AGAIN)
Helen thrives off power and other peoples misfortunes. Horrible woman and wont forget how she targeted Jale in the early weeks. I hope BB sees sense and takes the self righteous cow's pass from her.:D
Anyway im off for now too. But yeah Chris should of said something during the discussions. Saying nothing is almost as bad as continuously dictating away.
Although Helen has been shown in a better light since the formal warning, she is just the same aggressive bully underneath imo.
Most of the other hms seem afraid of standing up to her and she reinforces this power by the way she talks to them eg when talking about having her finalist ticket removed by the unidentified power hm there seemed to be a threat that she would turn on whoever dared to do it. Also the party invites - everyone wanted Ashleigh and Zoe - she insisted on Ash and got her way.
Will Helen ever stfu and stop trying to control everyone? Most of her group wanted Ashleigh to go to the party but of course she had to have one up on Ashleigh so she started undermining the guys and talking irrelevant babble 'She's at all the parties (err so is Ash). Then she spouts nonsense that Ash would pick Mark (lets be honest she would probably glare at him until he chooses her and Stephen/Winston) so he'll pick her 'good friend' Ash. Don't even start me on their bedroom antics after she made comments about Kim and Stephen. Nasty, overbearing hypocrite
Nonsense! and what the heck is "stfu" use English.
Yeah replying me in a Helen style lol But if you're wearing those denim daisy dukes shorts right now like Helen then i will admit you're right once or twice LOL ;-)
Will Helen ever stfu and stop trying to control everyone? Most of her group wanted Ashleigh to go to the party but of course she had to have one up on Ashleigh so she started undermining the guys and talking irrelevant babble 'She's at all the parties (err so is Ash). Then she spouts nonsense that Ash would pick Mark (lets be honest she would probably glare at him until he chooses her and Stephen/Winston) so he'll pick her 'good friend' Ash. Don't even start me on their bedroom antics after she made comments about Kim and Stephen. Nasty, overbearing hypocrite
I know If she can undermine anyone it appears she will; very sad her level of emotional intelligence is seemingly below par. ;-)
I think it's irrelevant whether Chris pitched in or not ...... Helen was still outnumbered without Chris' vote - yet she still got her way. (AGAIN)
Actually, Steven wanted Ash too, so it was two vs two. If chris had some balls abouthim it would've been two vs three.
And, even if it didn't make up the numbers, how can you say that it's irrelevant that chris kept queit? Surely, as a friend, he should be fighting her corner.
Hmmm. So do you completely rule out the possibility of someone liking a housemate for their personality, rather than the geography, if they happen to share an island with them?
For example, I like Ashleigh. I'm from Cork (which is possibly closer to wherever you are and certainly closer to London than Derry). So is my view automatically 'devalued' because I'm clearly Irish? That's a nonsense argument, surely?
In the past, I have liked Irish housemates; certainly; but I've disliked more than I've liked. Brian D and Anna are among my top four (the other two are Aaron, Ben Duncan) of all time. So you probably deduce that's because they're Irish. But it's not that simple, is it? Because Brian D and Anna are among many BB fans top 4.
Equally, I didn't particularly like Keeva, didn't like Mary, couldn't stand Orlaith, Conor or Spiral and was ambivalent about Noirin. I liked Hazel and championed both Hazel and Keeva on here because I so strongly disliked both Gina and Josie who seemed to take particularly against them.
I will say this, good looking Irish women - Noirin, Keeva, Orlaith, Hazel and now Ashleigh really do seem to get a particularly vociferous and vicious kind of hate on DS.
I've more or less stopped posting this year because my favourites are Christopher, Chris and Ashleigh (in that order). Chris and Christopher are barely discussed; it's all about Ashleigh, who gets right up the noses of a very vocal minority of posters for some reason.
Because I'm Irish, it's assumed that's the only reason I'm supporting her. So there's not much point. Can you see where I'm coming from?
If anyone supports a HM because they share the same nationality or locality (or race, religion, whatever really, even if they just fancy them) then, yes, their opinion is invalid to me, because whenever they speak up for them, argue points for them, and do the whole fan thing on here, I know that it all stems from the fact that they happen to share a locality (in this instance) rather than actually agreeing with what that HM is doing. It's part of the reason why this place is so full of inconsistencies, with people arguing points opposite to those they've argued before because they feel compelled to stand by the HM regardless of whether they agree with them or not.
I'm not saying that every viewer who supports a HM of the same nationality etc is supporting them for shallow reasons, only those that support a HM because of their nationality. And it's plainly obvious that this does go on on here. I'm not blind to certain FMs invariably supporting the HMs from the same place they come from. And it'd be nice if you could say you're aware of it too.
Actually, Steven wanted Ash too, so it was two vs two. If chris had some balls abouthim it would've been two vs three.
And, even if it didn't make up the numbers, how can you say that it's irrelevant that chris kept queit? Surely, as a friend, he should be fighting her corner.
If anyone supports a HM because they share the same nationality or locality (or race, religion, whatever really) then, yes, their opinion is invalid to me, because whenever they speak up for them, argue points for them, and do the whole fan thing on here, I know that it all stems from the fact that they happen to share a locality rather than acxtually agreeing with what that HM is doing. It's part of the reason why this place is so full of inconsistencies, with people arguing points opposite to those they've argued before because they feel compelled to stand by the HM regardless of whether they agree with them or not.
I'm not saying that every viewer who supports a HM of the same nationality etc is supporting them for shallow reasons, only those that support a HM because of their nationality. And it's plainly obvious that this does go on on here. I'm not blind to certain FMs invariably supporting the HMs from the same place they come from. And it'd be nice if you could say you're aware of it too.
She is an unedifying example of a slightly mentally challenged Northern lass, who squeezes her personality brutally to give the illusion of intelligence.
Alongside that, she typifies the school bully who groomed her hareem in such a way as to carry out her bidding at the flick of a finger or the nod of a head.
All the while she is able to fool those in power. An expert manipulator of those beneath and above herself with her charisma.
How on earth did she get a pass to the final? Using all her powers, she had already conned Pauline without even trying.
Some might say an amazing housemate, others might think an unpleasant specimen of humanity or indeed, anywhere between those 2 points..
I detest her. She's always on about people "showing their true colours", usually the people who are not in her gang. Hence she and her cohorts must be colourless.
Come on what's not to like? she tells it like it is, except when she doesn't.
She doesn't talk behind people's backs except when she does.
She's always right (no exception)
She spots all her (many) faults in others.
Everyone else is two faced as they don't want a confrontation every time something contrary pops into their head.
And if she talks behind people's backs it's ok because she would say it to their face so it's not bitching (my personal favourite)
And as we saw from tonight, she also feels entitled to do nothing whilst everyone else cleans up (her mess) around her.
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How many times does it have to be pointed out that Kim HELD a meeting minus Helen, her and Jale wanted to save Marlon over Ash, exactly what part of that did Ashleigh control or manipulate?
Ashleigh called the meeting, she said she wanted a meeting with the girls without Helen and it was Kim who passed the message on to Jale or was this another time?
Oooh put the handbag away dear, getting a little defensive. Thou shalt not call Saint Ashleigh's behaviour into question, and only vilify the evil one known as Helen
You havent responded to any of my points I notice?
She didn't. They guys were all negotiated by several girls together???
I think it's irrelevant whether Chris pitched in or not ...... Helen was still outnumbered without Chris' vote - yet she still got her way. (AGAIN)
You what???? Ridiculous.
...and you just know if Chris disagreed with Helen she'd have a strop and make him her next target for abuse.
Most of the other hms seem afraid of standing up to her and she reinforces this power by the way she talks to them eg when talking about having her finalist ticket removed by the unidentified power hm there seemed to be a threat that she would turn on whoever dared to do it. Also the party invites - everyone wanted Ashleigh and Zoe - she insisted on Ash and got her way.
Nonsense! and what the heck is "stfu" use English.
LOL ... no probs ;-)
I know If she can undermine anyone it appears she will; very sad her level of emotional intelligence is seemingly below par. ;-)
You jest of course. ;-):)
Nope deadly serious particularly about the use of English.
Well whattayouknow! You were right. ;-)
Actually, Steven wanted Ash too, so it was two vs two. If chris had some balls abouthim it would've been two vs three.
And, even if it didn't make up the numbers, how can you say that it's irrelevant that chris kept queit? Surely, as a friend, he should be fighting her corner.
If anyone supports a HM because they share the same nationality or locality (or race, religion, whatever really, even if they just fancy them) then, yes, their opinion is invalid to me, because whenever they speak up for them, argue points for them, and do the whole fan thing on here, I know that it all stems from the fact that they happen to share a locality (in this instance) rather than actually agreeing with what that HM is doing. It's part of the reason why this place is so full of inconsistencies, with people arguing points opposite to those they've argued before because they feel compelled to stand by the HM regardless of whether they agree with them or not.
I'm not saying that every viewer who supports a HM of the same nationality etc is supporting them for shallow reasons, only those that support a HM because of their nationality. And it's plainly obvious that this does go on on here. I'm not blind to certain FMs invariably supporting the HMs from the same place they come from. And it'd be nice if you could say you're aware of it too.
Bit in bold - how do you know that?
Well, said. ;-)
I detest her. She's always on about people "showing their true colours", usually the people who are not in her gang. Hence she and her cohorts must be colourless.
This is well said, too. IMO. ;-)