I really dislike the Essie grandfather storyline. I just don't think anyone would really care who your grandfather was, it isn't like you are guilty of their crimes or in anyway an influence on the crimes that were committed. Really is a strange and stupid storyline and the way she goes on and on about it at every frigging opportunity. I like the character (and actress) other than this pointless Nazi mess.
I think about how i would react if i met someone whose grandfather (or even parent) were guilty of a terrible crime. Would i blame the person i just met? No, of course not, no rational person would! (IMHO)
I really dislike the Essie grandfather storyline. I just don't think anyone would really care who your grandfather was, it isn't like you are guilty of their crimes or in anyway an influence on the crimes that were committed. Really is a strange and stupid storyline and the way she goes on and on about it at every frigging opportunity. I like the character (and actress) other than this pointless Nazi mess.
I think about how i would react if i met someone whose grandfather (or even parent) were guilty of a terrible crime. Would i blame the person i just met? No, of course not, no rational person would! (IMHO)
I totally agree. I could not care less what somebody's grandfather did 60 + years ago, I would judge the person standing before me, not their family history.
It's supposed to add to the drama but I agree it's just dumb in this day and age.
I think that the character of Jac has run it's course now, it's just the same old stuff..... she's a cow, then occasionally you see she has a soft side blah, blah, blah.
I really dislike the Essie grandfather storyline. I just don't think anyone would really care who your grandfather was, it isn't like you are guilty of their crimes or in anyway an influence on the crimes that were committed. Really is a strange and stupid storyline and the way she goes on and on about it at every frigging opportunity. I like the character (and actress) other than this pointless Nazi mess.
I think about how i would react if i met someone whose grandfather (or even parent) were guilty of a terrible crime. Would i blame the person i just met? No, of course not, no rational person would! (IMHO)
Of course you are right but some people aren't rational about these things and she herself is not being rational. It is because she believes (rughtly or wrongly) that many people will not believe that she didn't know all these years - that there weren't some clues she could have picked up on, even if it was him making comments about Jews and if she didn't pick up on it, maybe it is because she shared his attitudes. The 'apple doesn't fall far from the tree' theory. It's not fair but it does exist, the fact is the families and even children and grandchildren of convicted criminals are often persecuted and for crimes much less emotive than the Holocaust.
People have covered most of what I had to say about this episode but everything to do with Domininc was pointless.
I see that the writers were trying to show that he is extremely self-centered but his chats with Essie were just ridiculous, they've never shared a scene together before to my recollection and he was gossiping with her like they were long lost friends about her relationship.
I think that the character of Jac has run it's course now, it's just the same old stuff..... she's a cow, then occasionally you see she has a soft side blah, blah, blah.
On face value this development with Elliot is def a backwards step character progression wise but sadly it does actually make sense given her havine come to the conclusion that she is incapable of being a wife, mother and the only thing she has that she is any good at is her career. Really it was inevitable as soon as they decided to have all and sundry accuse her of being an unfit and 'poisonous' mother. For them to really have her develop in a positive way and not fall back into bad habits, they needed to let her be a good mother and more importantly believe that she was a good mother. But that would have meant them having a scrap of happiness for more that a week and they seem determined never to do that.
fletch aka 'smithy' and collete are terrible actors btw. One good character and very good actor leaves in jesse/don gillet and two very bad ones including 'rosie' from corrie come in
I think that the character of Jac has run it's course now, it's just the same old stuff..... she's a cow, then occasionally you see she has a soft side blah, blah, blah.
As the character of Jac now stands, I agree with you. I say that as an ardent Jac fan. They do not seem to know what to do with her if she is not in cold hard bitch mode. All the character development of the last few years is now out the window. I would rather she left than carry on like that.
I think Rosie's pregnancy might mean that Jac will leave (possibly for good) in the next 6 months.
I am still holding out for a Jac/Joseph reunion (even an off screen one).
Did no one think the tear was important? I thought the fact that Jac let one tear fall down her face was important. I can't remember seeing her cry over anything like that before, the fact she felt guilty, seemed a development to me.
I have to say that, while it's a logical conclusion to draw, it hasn't been confirmed that Guy would have found someone else if Jac had turned him down. There's been no indication that he approached anyone else or had a back-up plan. Also, as it stands he's basically swapped the role of two staffmembers. If Jac had said no, then he'd presumably have had to bring someone else in from outside and had to find the money in the budget for an extra senior staffmember. Of course, that might have just meant making Jac or Elliot redundant, but as I say that's just supposition.
Forgot to mention earlier but Fletch referred to an ex-wife which I guess confirms his marital status.
Did no one think the tear was important? I thought the fact that Jac let one tear fall down her face was important. I can't remember seeing her cry over anything like that before, the fact she felt guilty, seemed a development to me.
It showed that she felt bad about stabbing Elliot in the back - but she did it anyway. That's not really development, I think.
Jac has shown remorse before - most notably with Joseph, her mother and Emma. We know she is capable of emotion but the writers seem hell bent on moving her backwards. I am sure this is all leading up to some cheesy turn around just before she eventually leaves but it falls well short in my opinion.
Why make her a mother in the first place if only then to turn around and take her child away from her and make her hate herself even more? Why bring that bitch Paula back to mess with her head??? All this we could have done without. Not to mention the disaster that was her relationship with Jonny. I'm not saying all should be sweetness and light in her life - at least now she is where she wants to be career wise - but look what she had to do to get there - betray one of her dearest friends and supporters.
I can't think of another character that has been mangled the way Jac has.
The heart failure woman was indeed Albie's wife. She was alsp in EE as Lola's gran. Whenever I see her I always think of her calling Billy "skidmarks". Ugh.
Me too. Ugh again. I didn't remember her as Mrs Albie, though. Albie is never seen these days, is he? I think that bar is staffed by robots. The drinks just appear on the bar.
Just caught up with Tuesdays episode - how much facial surgery has Helen Flanagan had? Talk about plastic fantastic and no nurse would be allowed on a ward with that much make up on and false nails!
Just caught up with Tuesdays episode - how much facial surgery has Helen Flanagan had? Talk about plastic fantastic and no nurse would be allowed on a ward with that much make up on and false nails!
Gosh yes, didn't she look awful. I assume and am hoping that was a one off performance and she isn't going to be in any more episodes.
Just caught up with Tuesdays episode - how much facial surgery has Helen Flanagan had? Talk about plastic fantastic and no nurse would be allowed on a ward with that much make up on and false nails!
I dont generally like to pull people up on their looks if its natural but when it comes to what people choose do to themselves I think they leave themselves open, and in her case she lookd frightful and plastic and whilst she may have been an airhead she was a pretty girl now to me she has actually made herself look a little unatural and weird which is a shame .
[QUOTE=kitkat1971;74230213 ]I assume that Fletch is now a Charge Nurse who is also the Ward Manager. Basically, you can't manage a Ward unless you are Senior Charge Nurse / Sister grade but you can be that grade without managing a Ward - if that makes sense. Anyway, that is quite some career progression considering he only qualified 3 years ago! snip>>[/QUOTE]
I think these new titles are ridiculous , Ward Manager is across the board the new PC title for Ward Charge Nurses and Ward Sisters who ran the ward ( Junior Sisters are still called sister or Charge Nurse but the old Ward Sister is now Ward Manager in some places ) and quite a few hospitals are doing this, the majority of Nursing staff do not like the change as they say it sounds more admin than Nursing, but the powers that be says it reflects modern times with as many men as women in role and Sister is to gender specific, which to me is a load of old rot as males were called Charge Nurses its typical change for the sake of change but the BBC seem to be following the PC route in Holby
Traditional nursing titles and new uniforms have been introduced at Burton Hospitals Foundation Trust in a bid to help patients identify staff roles more easily.
Hello! Sorry that I haven't been on the threads for a bit. My life got in the way for a while and I ended up not watching either Casualty or Holby City for several weeks. So this week I have been catching up through file-sharing websites, and I'm pretty much there now, although I didn't watch tonight's episode of Casualty - will probably watch it tomorrow.
Anyway, I was watching it with my mum tonight, and she brought up something that I didn't quite understand either - it has been touched on on these forums, but not gone into in detail. Is Jac now the only surgeon in the world who is legally allowed to perform the Herzig procedure? As someone else said, what happens if she's not in the country? I can actually understand why they want a younger face to launch the procedure, but the indication seems to be that Elliot is barred from doing it for some reason, which doesn't quite make sense as he is apparently capable. What happens if a patient needs it urgently and Jac isn't there? Surely on a logistical level, it makes more sense to have as many people who are able to perform it as possible, even if Elliot is not the face of the treatment.
Also, is Guy not worried about the press getting wind of it? A story about it would surely work in Elliot's favour.
Hello! Sorry that I haven't been on the threads for a bit. My life got in the way for a while and I ended up not watching either Casualty or Holby City for several weeks. So this week I have been catching up through file-sharing websites, and I'm pretty much there now, although I didn't watch tonight's episode of Casualty - will probably watch it tomorrow.
Anyway, I was watching it with my mum tonight, and she brought up something that I didn't quite understand either - it has been touched on on these forums, but not gone into in detail. Is Jac now the only surgeon in the world who is legally allowed to perform the Herzig procedure? As someone else said, what happens if she's not in the country? I can actually understand why they want a younger face to launch the procedure, but the indication seems to be that Elliot is barred from doing it for some reason, which doesn't quite make sense as he is apparently capable. What happens if a patient needs it urgently and Jac isn't there? Surely on a logistical level, it makes more sense to have as many people who are able to perform it as possible, even if Elliot is not the face of the treatment.
Also, is Guy not worried about the press getting wind of it? A story about it would surely work in Elliot's favour.
Welcome back George!!!
BIB: Of course it does but this IS Holby so the normal NHS rules regarding contingency planning, clinical risk management, sharing of expertise etc and just general commonsense/decency/respect obviously don't apply!!!
Although actually I don't think she's the only person who can legally perform the surgery - I'm sure Elliott could, if push came to shove, and Jac wasn't there it's just that Guy wants 'consistency'. And it definitely won't apply to the rest of the world either - Jac will be the new face of the Herzig, and will presumably be 'selling' it internationally but am assuming that once people have paid for it they will be able to use it with whomever they choose doing the surgery. I'm not even sure they'd need any specialist training from Jac (and that's certainly not been mentioned) because I'd imagine it operates very much like a real heart, so if you'd done a heart transplant it wouldn't be all that different - it's just plumbing after all !!
BIB: Of course it does but this IS Holby so the normal NHS rules regarding contingency planning, clinical risk management, sharing of expertise etc and just general commonsense/decency/respect obviously don't apply!!!
Although actually I don't think she's the only person who can legally perform the surgery - I'm sure Elliott could, if push came to shove, and Jac wasn't there it's just that Guy wants 'consistency'. And it definitely won't apply to the rest of the world either - Jac will be the new face of the Herzig, and will presumably be 'selling' it internationally but am assuming that once people have paid for it they will be able to use it with whomever they choose doing the surgery. I'm not even sure they'd need any specialist training from Jac (and that's certainly not been mentioned) because I'd imagine it operates very much like a real heart, so if you'd done a heart transplant it wouldn't be all that different - it's just plumbing after all !!
You don't want to use the word in bold to refer to heart surgery! Not unless you want a spiel from Jonny, as he did to Zosia a while back...
Hello! Sorry that I haven't been on the threads for a bit. My life got in the way for a while and I ended up not watching either Casualty or Holby City for several weeks. So this week I have been catching up through file-sharing websites, and I'm pretty much there now, although I didn't watch tonight's episode of Casualty - will probably watch it tomorrow.
Anyway, I was watching it with my mum tonight, and she brought up something that I didn't quite understand either - it has been touched on on these forums, but not gone into in detail. Is Jac now the only surgeon in the world who is legally allowed to perform the Herzig procedure? As someone else said, what happens if she's not in the country? I can actually understand why they want a younger face to launch the procedure, but the indication seems to be that Elliot is barred from doing it for some reason, which doesn't quite make sense as he is apparently capable. What happens if a patient needs it urgently and Jac isn't there? Surely on a logistical level, it makes more sense to have as many people who are able to perform it as possible, even if Elliot is not the face of the treatment.
Also, is Guy not worried about the press getting wind of it? A story about it would surely work in Elliot's favour.
The problem is that Elliot looks like a bumbler and not that credible - or so we are told the Americans at the press conference think. They all think Jac can sell it better. There's also a question about energy levels for an intensive sales campaign. They then have a problem if the person doing the operations isn't the person telling potential buyers about them. There's also a hidden problem in there- that operating on a too difficult case, could ruin the stats for the sales pitch. Guy needs to be able to control whats done and not done.
The big issue thats been swept under the carpet is Elliot's brain tumour. A bit is still in there, and we know that there was a problem in the oepration, and that memory loss was briefly raised as a complication . I would have a real problem with someone with unknown missing bits of memory operating on me at all - its a bit late if you find out what bit of memory you are missing mid operation. You can't drive a car until you pass a medical test and you lose your licence until you are certified as fit to drive again - so operating a few days later seems a bit unrealistic? I would also be reluctant to fly anywhere to conferences, even after the period when flying is definitely not allowed - Flying does all sorts of things to your blood pressure, and pressures in your head, and mid-ocean its not a good place to suddenly have a side effect. I suspect Guy could raise any questions he wanted to about Elliot on just those grounds - he is the only one who knows best whats literally going on in Elliots head.
Some people seem to be missing Connie's visit from the Jac angle. Connie gets sent for by Guy and briefed about something .As we know she warned Elliot about Jac and changes coming, we know she was probably given all the big picture. That seems to me to send two very clear messages to Jac. Connie turning up, and that being arranged by Guy, suggests that, if she doesn't take the job, Connie or someone else will be given it by Guy. Its not coincidence - its a message from Guy. Second, Connie also gives Jac the message that there are more experienced people who could take the job, and advises her to go for it herself. That just tells her what to do from another angle , and reinforces the warning that someone else could step in.
That vastly simplifies the issue what to do about Elliot for Jac. If she doesn't go for the job, someone else will. As there will then be too many surgeons, logic suggest one will go. If its Elliot who goes, he is worse off if she doesn't take the job. If she goes, it does Elliot no good as he's then working for someone else and still loses the Herzig.
The problem is Elliot doesn't think in management terms- like Connie does , and Jac is trying to. Jac ends up where she is - whether she's self interested , or keen to do her best for Elliot , or both.. He's ended up blaming the person who may have saved him from retirement- instead of realising that Guy is the one who has produced the outcome at very stage. He's also blaming Jac for cutting him out of the loop more than she wants to - again because Guy has all the power, Jac's problem, if anything, is that she is acting like a professional manager would - and not telling anyone whats going on . She can't really do that without falling out with Guy, it makes no difference anyway to what happens, she's not the type to give ambigous hints to her staff, and they are probably not up to understanding them anyway..
How it all ends is another matter. Does Elliot make a come back, or ride off into semi retirement?
The problem is that Elliot looks like a bumbler and not that credible - or so we are told the Americans at the press conference think. They all think Jac can sell it better. There's also a question about energy levels for an intensive sales campaign. They then have a problem if the person doing the operations isn't the person telling potential buyers about them. There's also a hidden problem in there- that operating on a too difficult case, could ruin the stats for the sales pitch. Guy needs to be able to control whats done and not done.
The big issue thats been swept under the carpet is Elliot's brain tumour. A bit is still in there, and we know that there was a problem in the oepration, and that memory loss was briefly raised as a complication . I would have a real problem with someone with unknown missing bits of memory operating on me at all - its a bit late if you find out what bit of memory you are missing mid operation. You can't drive a car until you pass a medical test and you lose your licence until you are certified as fit to drive again - so operating a few days later seems a bit unrealistic? I would also be reluctant to fly anywhere to conferences, even after the period when flying is definitely not allowed - Flying does all sorts of things to your blood pressure, and pressures in your head, and mid-ocean its not a good place to suddenly have a side effect. I suspect Guy could raise any questions he wanted to about Elliot on just those grounds - he is the only one who knows best whats literally going on in Elliots head.
Some people seem to be missing Connie's visit from the Jac angle. Connie gets sent for by Guy and briefed about something .As we know she warned Elliot about Jac and changes coming, we know she was probably given all the big picture. That seems to me to send two very clear messages to Jac. Connie turning up, and that being arranged by Guy, suggests that, if she doesn't take the job, Connie or someone else will be given it by Guy. Its not coincidence - its a message from Guy. Second, Connie also gives Jac the message that there are more experienced people who could take the job, and advises her to go for it herself. That just tells her what to do from another angle , and reinforces the warning that someone else could step in.
That vastly simplifies the issue what to do about Elliot for Jac. If she doesn't go for the job, someone else will. As there will then be too many surgeons, logic suggest one will go. If its Elliot who goes, he is worse off if she doesn't take the job. If she goes, it does Elliot no good as he's then working for someone else and still loses the Herzig.
The problem is Elliot doesn't think in management terms- like Connie does , and Jac is trying to. Jac ends up where she is - whether she's self interested , or keen to do her best for Elliot , or both.. He's ended up blaming the person who may have saved him from retirement- instead of realising that Guy is the one who has produced the outcome at very stage. He's also blaming Jac for cutting him out of the loop more than she wants to - again because Guy has all the power, Jac's problem, if anything, is that she is acting like a professional manager would - and not telling anyone whats going on . She can't really do that without falling out with Guy, it makes no difference anyway to what happens, she's not the type to give ambigous hints to her staff, and they are probably not up to understanding them anyway..
How it all ends is another matter. Does Elliot make a come back, or ride off into semi retirement?
That's a very good post and saying much of what i've been trying to over the past couple of weeks.
Yes, cutting Elliot out is cruddy but once the decision had been made that he was no longer the figurehead I can understand why he can't be the lead on any operations - it would a PR nightmare (and possibly even be considered fraudulent) if it got out that the person really running Herzig on the day to day basis was not the person they were sending out to do all the promo work.
Yes, they have skipped over Elliot's full time return to work. At the very least Occupational Health would have had to assess him (something we saw happen with Jac after her motorbike accident years ago at Elliot's insistence) and if he is fully recovered I don't see why he can't take the Trust to a Tribunal over his demotion. However, if, as seems likely, he is under review, needing to have his condition monitored for at least a few months, then he is on shaky ground. I understand he sees Jac taking over as a betrayal but if it was going to happen anyway, surely it is better to be one of his protégées - indeed he named her before his operation.
No, it hasn't been stated on screen or crucially to Elliot and the staff that Elliot had to go and if it wasn't Jac it would be something else but I think that implication has been clear for some time. Yes, Connie coming back for that week was a reminder that there were other people to take over and come in as Jac's boss and also how few chances like that there are for her career progression - it could be years before something came up again, if ever.
Jac has always stayed quiet when perhaps she should speak up to defend her actions and motives but that is just Jac and it is more professional for her not to be bringing it up and defending herself to the department.
That's a very good post and saying much of what i've been trying to over the past couple of weeks.
Yes, cutting Elliot out is cruddy but once the decision had been made that he was no longer the figurehead I can understand why he can't be the lead on any operations - it would a PR nightmare (and possibly even be considered fraudulent) if it got out that the person really running Herzig on the day to day basis was not the person they were sending out to do all the promo work.
Yes, they have skipped over Elliot's full time return to work. At the very least Occupational Health would have had to assess him (something we saw happen with Jac after her motorbike accident years ago at Elliot's insistence) and if he is fully recovered I don't see why he can't take the Trust to a Tribunal over his demotion. However, if, as seems likely, he is under review, needing to have his condition monitored for at least a few months, then he is on shaky ground. I understand he sees Jac taking over as a betrayal but if it was going to happen anyway, surely it is better to be one of his protégées - indeed he named her before his operation.
No, it hasn't been stated on screen or crucially to Elliot and the staff that Elliot had to go and if it wasn't Jac it would be something else but I think that implication has been clear for some time. Yes, Connie coming back for that week was a reminder that there were other people to take over and come in as Jac's boss and also how few chances like that there are for her career progression - it could be years before something came up again, if ever.
Jac has always stayed quiet when perhaps she should speak up to defend her actions and motives but that is just Jac and it is more professional for her not to be bringing it up and defending herself to the department.
Even if she wasn't Jac, though, there's no good way out of it. People who understand the dirtier side of management know that, if you tell the troops whats going on, it causes problems with senior management, and many of the troops still think there's another option, and still blame you. If you tell them nothing, however, they still think the worst.If you tell some, others are excluded, and the message either leaks and causes damage, or they stay excluded. If you hint, it still runs the risk of causing damage, and people misread hints. There's no one in that department who is likely to be receptive to the argument anyway - as their default position is to side with Elliot and blame Jac. We know Jonny almost misreads everything Jac does, and doesn't understand her motivation anyway, and we have just been told in a recent episode that Mo can't make management decisions
Its a classic case of middle management being stitched up by senior management. Guy has made Jac jump through every hoop to prove she will do what he wants. He's jumped in to micromanage her when he wants Elliot to be taken further out of the loop. He's provided Connie to make her own position look threatened, to point out how important the job is to Jac , and to make it clear that Elliot will be in the same position anyway. Guy's also avoided everything he should have done himself - like explaining to Elliot that Jac is taking over, laying out that Elliot will no longer operate on the Herzig patients, and explaining what he does want Elliot to do. He's just hidden behind Jac - when it was his role to deal with such a high ranking colleague's demotion.
Not sure about Elliot being under review. He obviously should be in some special category - but how do you keep under review someone in a job like that? If he has a fit, or forgets what to do next, or his hand twitches at the wrong time , you may have a dead patient. Its a moral and legal nightmare. Mo has limitations, and, if Jac has to stand by him , she might as well do it all herself. Diagnosis is less dangerous, but, even there, what if he forgets just a little of what he needs to know? Even if you retested him. would the legal people be satisfied with accepting the risk?
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I think about how i would react if i met someone whose grandfather (or even parent) were guilty of a terrible crime. Would i blame the person i just met? No, of course not, no rational person would! (IMHO)
I totally agree. I could not care less what somebody's grandfather did 60 + years ago, I would judge the person standing before me, not their family history.
It's supposed to add to the drama but I agree it's just dumb in this day and age.
Of course you are right but some people aren't rational about these things and she herself is not being rational. It is because she believes (rughtly or wrongly) that many people will not believe that she didn't know all these years - that there weren't some clues she could have picked up on, even if it was him making comments about Jews and if she didn't pick up on it, maybe it is because she shared his attitudes. The 'apple doesn't fall far from the tree' theory. It's not fair but it does exist, the fact is the families and even children and grandchildren of convicted criminals are often persecuted and for crimes much less emotive than the Holocaust.
I see that the writers were trying to show that he is extremely self-centered but his chats with Essie were just ridiculous, they've never shared a scene together before to my recollection and he was gossiping with her like they were long lost friends about her relationship.
On face value this development with Elliot is def a backwards step character progression wise but sadly it does actually make sense given her havine come to the conclusion that she is incapable of being a wife, mother and the only thing she has that she is any good at is her career. Really it was inevitable as soon as they decided to have all and sundry accuse her of being an unfit and 'poisonous' mother. For them to really have her develop in a positive way and not fall back into bad habits, they needed to let her be a good mother and more importantly believe that she was a good mother. But that would have meant them having a scrap of happiness for more that a week and they seem determined never to do that.
As the character of Jac now stands, I agree with you. I say that as an ardent Jac fan. They do not seem to know what to do with her if she is not in cold hard bitch mode. All the character development of the last few years is now out the window. I would rather she left than carry on like that.
I think Rosie's pregnancy might mean that Jac will leave (possibly for good) in the next 6 months.
I am still holding out for a Jac/Joseph reunion (even an off screen one).
Forgot to mention earlier but Fletch referred to an ex-wife which I guess confirms his marital status.
It showed that she felt bad about stabbing Elliot in the back - but she did it anyway. That's not really development, I think.
Jac has shown remorse before - most notably with Joseph, her mother and Emma. We know she is capable of emotion but the writers seem hell bent on moving her backwards. I am sure this is all leading up to some cheesy turn around just before she eventually leaves but it falls well short in my opinion.
Why make her a mother in the first place if only then to turn around and take her child away from her and make her hate herself even more? Why bring that bitch Paula back to mess with her head??? All this we could have done without. Not to mention the disaster that was her relationship with Jonny. I'm not saying all should be sweetness and light in her life - at least now she is where she wants to be career wise - but look what she had to do to get there - betray one of her dearest friends and supporters.
I can't think of another character that has been mangled the way Jac has.
Me too. Ugh again. I didn't remember her as Mrs Albie, though. Albie is never seen these days, is he? I think that bar is staffed by robots. The drinks just appear on the bar.
Episode review here, with added Naylor tears.
Gosh yes, didn't she look awful. I assume and am hoping that was a one off performance and she isn't going to be in any more episodes.
I dont generally like to pull people up on their looks if its natural but when it comes to what people choose do to themselves I think they leave themselves open, and in her case she lookd frightful and plastic and whilst she may have been an airhead she was a pretty girl now to me she has actually made herself look a little unatural and weird which is a shame .
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I think these new titles are ridiculous , Ward Manager is across the board the new PC title for Ward Charge Nurses and Ward Sisters who ran the ward ( Junior Sisters are still called sister or Charge Nurse but the old Ward Sister is now Ward Manager in some places ) and quite a few hospitals are doing this, the majority of Nursing staff do not like the change as they say it sounds more admin than Nursing, but the powers that be says it reflects modern times with as many men as women in role and Sister is to gender specific, which to me is a load of old rot as males were called Charge Nurses its typical change for the sake of change but the BBC seem to be following the PC route in Holby
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7677064/Hospital-job-title-Sister-dropped-for-being-sexist.html
Hospitals are abolishing the job title "Sister" to describe senior nurses because it is thought to be sexist.
The title has been changed to "ward manager" to reflect the fact that the role is carried out by men as well as women.
Hospital executives say they are working hard to stop patients and staff using the word on the wards "because it is too gender-specific".
Campaigners warned that patients would be confused by the new title and said hospitals should be concentrating on improving patient care.
Among the hospitals that have recently stopped using the job title are those run by Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly NHS Trust.
A spokesman said the trust had "worked hard" to erase the term from wards as part of its "equality and diversity action plan".
However thankfully not all hospitals have followed suit and one that did has reverted back to old titles
http://212.82.99.176/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=midlands+trust+drops+ward+manager+title&fr=moz35&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=midlands+trust+drops+ward+manager+title&d=4830396402635244&mkt=en-GB&setlang=en-GB&w=tAnqn58HdmaUnGqjqFKyjsnDYt8YFePx&icp=1&.intl=uk&sig=PiUKn.oyYZJvasZcU0DmLg--
Midlands trust drops ward manager title
10 January, 2014
Traditional nursing titles and new uniforms have been introduced at Burton Hospitals Foundation Trust in a bid to help patients identify staff roles more easily.
http://www.nursingtimes.net/nursing-practice-clinical-research/practice-comment-archive/current-ward-manager-roles-do-not-reflect-nurses-career-ambitions/5001400.article
Anyway, I was watching it with my mum tonight, and she brought up something that I didn't quite understand either - it has been touched on on these forums, but not gone into in detail. Is Jac now the only surgeon in the world who is legally allowed to perform the Herzig procedure? As someone else said, what happens if she's not in the country? I can actually understand why they want a younger face to launch the procedure, but the indication seems to be that Elliot is barred from doing it for some reason, which doesn't quite make sense as he is apparently capable. What happens if a patient needs it urgently and Jac isn't there? Surely on a logistical level, it makes more sense to have as many people who are able to perform it as possible, even if Elliot is not the face of the treatment.
Also, is Guy not worried about the press getting wind of it? A story about it would surely work in Elliot's favour.
Welcome back George!!!
BIB: Of course it does but this IS Holby so the normal NHS rules regarding contingency planning, clinical risk management, sharing of expertise etc and just general commonsense/decency/respect obviously don't apply!!!
Although actually I don't think she's the only person who can legally perform the surgery - I'm sure Elliott could, if push came to shove, and Jac wasn't there it's just that Guy wants 'consistency'. And it definitely won't apply to the rest of the world either - Jac will be the new face of the Herzig, and will presumably be 'selling' it internationally but am assuming that once people have paid for it they will be able to use it with whomever they choose doing the surgery. I'm not even sure they'd need any specialist training from Jac (and that's certainly not been mentioned) because I'd imagine it operates very much like a real heart, so if you'd done a heart transplant it wouldn't be all that different - it's just plumbing after all !!
You don't want to use the word in bold to refer to heart surgery! Not unless you want a spiel from Jonny, as he did to Zosia a while back...
The problem is that Elliot looks like a bumbler and not that credible - or so we are told the Americans at the press conference think. They all think Jac can sell it better. There's also a question about energy levels for an intensive sales campaign. They then have a problem if the person doing the operations isn't the person telling potential buyers about them. There's also a hidden problem in there- that operating on a too difficult case, could ruin the stats for the sales pitch. Guy needs to be able to control whats done and not done.
The big issue thats been swept under the carpet is Elliot's brain tumour. A bit is still in there, and we know that there was a problem in the oepration, and that memory loss was briefly raised as a complication . I would have a real problem with someone with unknown missing bits of memory operating on me at all - its a bit late if you find out what bit of memory you are missing mid operation. You can't drive a car until you pass a medical test and you lose your licence until you are certified as fit to drive again - so operating a few days later seems a bit unrealistic? I would also be reluctant to fly anywhere to conferences, even after the period when flying is definitely not allowed - Flying does all sorts of things to your blood pressure, and pressures in your head, and mid-ocean its not a good place to suddenly have a side effect. I suspect Guy could raise any questions he wanted to about Elliot on just those grounds - he is the only one who knows best whats literally going on in Elliots head.
Some people seem to be missing Connie's visit from the Jac angle. Connie gets sent for by Guy and briefed about something .As we know she warned Elliot about Jac and changes coming, we know she was probably given all the big picture. That seems to me to send two very clear messages to Jac. Connie turning up, and that being arranged by Guy, suggests that, if she doesn't take the job, Connie or someone else will be given it by Guy. Its not coincidence - its a message from Guy. Second, Connie also gives Jac the message that there are more experienced people who could take the job, and advises her to go for it herself. That just tells her what to do from another angle , and reinforces the warning that someone else could step in.
That vastly simplifies the issue what to do about Elliot for Jac. If she doesn't go for the job, someone else will. As there will then be too many surgeons, logic suggest one will go. If its Elliot who goes, he is worse off if she doesn't take the job. If she goes, it does Elliot no good as he's then working for someone else and still loses the Herzig.
The problem is Elliot doesn't think in management terms- like Connie does , and Jac is trying to. Jac ends up where she is - whether she's self interested , or keen to do her best for Elliot , or both.. He's ended up blaming the person who may have saved him from retirement- instead of realising that Guy is the one who has produced the outcome at very stage. He's also blaming Jac for cutting him out of the loop more than she wants to - again because Guy has all the power, Jac's problem, if anything, is that she is acting like a professional manager would - and not telling anyone whats going on . She can't really do that without falling out with Guy, it makes no difference anyway to what happens, she's not the type to give ambigous hints to her staff, and they are probably not up to understanding them anyway..
How it all ends is another matter. Does Elliot make a come back, or ride off into semi retirement?
That's a very good post and saying much of what i've been trying to over the past couple of weeks.
Yes, cutting Elliot out is cruddy but once the decision had been made that he was no longer the figurehead I can understand why he can't be the lead on any operations - it would a PR nightmare (and possibly even be considered fraudulent) if it got out that the person really running Herzig on the day to day basis was not the person they were sending out to do all the promo work.
Yes, they have skipped over Elliot's full time return to work. At the very least Occupational Health would have had to assess him (something we saw happen with Jac after her motorbike accident years ago at Elliot's insistence) and if he is fully recovered I don't see why he can't take the Trust to a Tribunal over his demotion. However, if, as seems likely, he is under review, needing to have his condition monitored for at least a few months, then he is on shaky ground. I understand he sees Jac taking over as a betrayal but if it was going to happen anyway, surely it is better to be one of his protégées - indeed he named her before his operation.
No, it hasn't been stated on screen or crucially to Elliot and the staff that Elliot had to go and if it wasn't Jac it would be something else but I think that implication has been clear for some time. Yes, Connie coming back for that week was a reminder that there were other people to take over and come in as Jac's boss and also how few chances like that there are for her career progression - it could be years before something came up again, if ever.
Jac has always stayed quiet when perhaps she should speak up to defend her actions and motives but that is just Jac and it is more professional for her not to be bringing it up and defending herself to the department.
Even if she wasn't Jac, though, there's no good way out of it. People who understand the dirtier side of management know that, if you tell the troops whats going on, it causes problems with senior management, and many of the troops still think there's another option, and still blame you. If you tell them nothing, however, they still think the worst.If you tell some, others are excluded, and the message either leaks and causes damage, or they stay excluded. If you hint, it still runs the risk of causing damage, and people misread hints. There's no one in that department who is likely to be receptive to the argument anyway - as their default position is to side with Elliot and blame Jac. We know Jonny almost misreads everything Jac does, and doesn't understand her motivation anyway, and we have just been told in a recent episode that Mo can't make management decisions
Its a classic case of middle management being stitched up by senior management. Guy has made Jac jump through every hoop to prove she will do what he wants. He's jumped in to micromanage her when he wants Elliot to be taken further out of the loop. He's provided Connie to make her own position look threatened, to point out how important the job is to Jac , and to make it clear that Elliot will be in the same position anyway. Guy's also avoided everything he should have done himself - like explaining to Elliot that Jac is taking over, laying out that Elliot will no longer operate on the Herzig patients, and explaining what he does want Elliot to do. He's just hidden behind Jac - when it was his role to deal with such a high ranking colleague's demotion.
Not sure about Elliot being under review. He obviously should be in some special category - but how do you keep under review someone in a job like that? If he has a fit, or forgets what to do next, or his hand twitches at the wrong time , you may have a dead patient. Its a moral and legal nightmare. Mo has limitations, and, if Jac has to stand by him , she might as well do it all herself. Diagnosis is less dangerous, but, even there, what if he forgets just a little of what he needs to know? Even if you retested him. would the legal people be satisfied with accepting the risk?
I assume he's going to be made a regular soon?