Glad Keith managed to get by despite being apparently isolated on the tribe. I don't mind Baylor either, prefer her to Josh. Jeremy and Natalie I've disliked for a while, and not in a love to hate way unfortunately.
No puzzle again in the challenge, hopefully they bring that back by individual immunity, though obviously some will be endurance then as well.
This is not my most preferable boot list so far, but I'm liking how random it is.
Kelley got screwed in the edit for this episode, though I suppose the overall storyline of her tribe had very little to do with her even though she was the one booted.
Was good to see everyone get some focus.
There's some of them I find irritating but I can appreciate what they bring.
One thing that irks me about Jeremy for instance is that I feel like I know everything he's going to say. It all seems so predictable for some reason, but I don't dislike him. Could just be the edit, having seen every season I know what to expect and his edit seems way too clean and 'paint by numbers' at the moment.
If I was to have my choice I'd probably want Reed, Dale and Missy to go next, I feel like they have the least potential. Plus mother/daughter relationships never work too well on reality shows, the mother's presence is usually way too suffocating.
A fairly straight-forward episode. The most interesting thing is seeing how people are preparing for the merge, whenever it will be.
I kind of liked crabby Jeremy, after complaining last time that his edit is too perfect and his confessionals too cliched. This episode he looked slightly villainous and way more interesting.
Am a bit tired of lovey-dovey couple Jon and Jaclyn though, I can just imagine how cringy it is to be around them smooching and complimenting eachother.
At least now the clocks have gone back in the UK I can see what happens the night the episode is on rather than having to wait until the next day because I'm too tired to stay up lol
For me Jeremy is getting too many confessionals, I'm getting sick of him as I just don't find him that interesting, all he does is complain about others complaining.
Glad Keith is still there though the edit didn't put him in danger anyway. It would be nice to see the idol played rather than just taken out of the game in a blindside again, it can be much more satisfying seeing that.
If there's one thing this season probably didn't need it was a quitter, it needs to pick-up momentum not slowly stagger along.
I felt bad for Julie though. There was something wrong watching the group going through Julie's bag, stealing her stuff and making sly comments to her. She made an apt description of it to Jeff comparing it to Mean Girls.
Glad Jeremy was possibly saved from the quit. He's one of the few interesting people who brings some passion to the game instead of just floating along. Though if Josh went aswell then at least that would open up the edit and the alliances a bit. Out of the two though Josh is the more boring monotone narrator, he's like a robot, so get rid of him first.
Josh's alliance with Reed, Alec, Wes and Keith is so badly underdeveloped it's very unlikely they gain control. No matter whether Josh or Jeremy go next, it's the couples who are in the middle that will be in-control, since with Kelley and now Julie gone, Jeremy is lacking numbers, and Josh's alliance is full of people the viewers have been given no reason to care about.
Makes me suspect that some betrayals and blindsides are on the way, hopefully.
I felt bad for Julie because this entire cast give me such a passive aggressive and self righteous vibe. Also Julie was dragged on the show by her semi-famous boyfriend, she probably never even wanted to do Survivor.
I actually found Julie likable unlike the others, and I love that she kept some trail mix for herself, the others acting like this was some deplorable act when going on the history of the type of people cast for Survivor they tend to cast more right-wing Republican types who are now preaching socialism because Julie took the food, oh the hilarity of it all.
I actually can't even pick someone I want to win at this point, I like Josh the best I guess only cause everyone else annoys me so that doesn't say much.
I still can't stand Jeremy, the best anti-heros have some humour to soften them a bit, but he is totally humourless and merely bitter or pompous.
The whole thing with Julie and the food was weird. First, why a huge feast just for the merge, they don't normally do that do they? Second, all of them were at the feast and they could all have saved food for themselves if they wanted to, I don't see how anyone could say there was 'stealing'. If they didn't take food away for themselves or were too greedy to save it for long that was their problem. It was weird that this basic fact wasn't pointed out by anyone including Probst. Maybe they just wanted to justify the dislike of Julie, but it didn't work. And Jeff going on about her wanting to leave as she was getting voted off also didn't make much sense as she didn't seem an immediate target. And why the hell should she care about weakening some alliance, she isn't best buddies with anyone, she doesn't have to give any help to anyone to win the million. Again I think Jeff was just trying to paint her badly, and failing.
The end was a disappointment, I wish they had gone ahead with a tribal. Episodes without a tribal always tend to be a letdown. Jeff had already told them there was good news so it was obvious to viewers with a brain that this meant no tribal and the same to any contestants with a brain. Despite that they put in some confessionals to try and create suspense about the upcoming tribal, which we all knew wasn't going to happen anyway.
Julie wasn't really properly in an alliance, Jeremy was going to drag her to the end as she would be an easy person to win against and would be a handy person to vote on his side, the whole situation was a one way street.
Yeah the food also was provided for by production, they did not win it in a challenge or catch it in the sea. If she saved some rather than munch the whole thing that was her prerogative.
If it's between Jeremy and Josh I'd rather have the slightly aggressive grumpy Jeremy over the tepid Josh.
I'm surprised he had the nerve to demand such loyalty from Baylor when he actually voted for her at the first tribal council. I'm not much of a fan of Baylor either but I hope she screws him over in the future for that.
Plus did he really call himself and Reed "successful broadway stars" when talking about the option of going to the end with either them or fireman Jeremy? *cringe* Like 'Purple Reed' is getting to the end anyway.
I get the feeling Jeremy and Josh will both take the fall and Baylor/Missy, Jon/Jaclyn, and possibly Keith aswell, will reap the benefits. It's hard to put Wes with Keith as a fully functioning pair as they've had very little development together. I mean the whole of Wes's birthday was from Keith's perspective rather than from both of them.
Although overall I think aligning with pairs is just a bad idea in general, even if you're in a pair yourself, as there's extra emotional attachments and baggage involved that distracts players from playing a logical game.
I hope Keith does go far and I hope he manages to use that idol (only when he needs to of course). Oddball underdogs or those slightly outside of the pack I tend to find more supportable. His son on the other hand is one of those people who seem there more to be just a family member than a constestant, he's probably not that mentally clued up on the game compared to some others.
Josh didn't vote Baylor with the intention of her going, it was to firstly not vote for one of the targets and secondly was to distract from any possibly alliance he had with her.
I don't love Josh but I don't think that was a bad move for him or Baylor.
As for Missy no wonder she had so many divorces she seems the type that it would be her way or the highway.
Josh didn't vote Baylor with the intention of her going, it was to firstly not vote for one of the targets and secondly was to distract from any possibly alliance he had with her.
I don't love Josh but I don't think that was a bad move for him or Baylor.
I don't really buy that reason as he didn't even inform Baylor of the plan, it just came across as a last-minute decision done out of desperation so he didn't annoy anyone. It seemed cowardly rather than strategic. I think that's what has made him one of my least favourites from the start. He's not so bad now though, apart from the "successful broadway stars" comment.
I really didn't like Baylor before either but I have to admit she's an unpredictable scrappy player which is interesting to watch.
Since quitters are part of the jury, was this Julie's last chance to quit without being required to go on the jury? Maybe the producers gave her a little encouragement to go knowing it may cause them some headaches if she quit later on, as she obviously wouldn't have wanted to be on the jury.
Depends whether it's a final 2 or 3 this year. 12 went into the merge this series, so if the jury starts next week then it will follow the same system as last series - a final 2 with a 9 person jury.
As far as the whole final 2 vs final 3 debate goes, I've always been a supporter of a final 3 as it allows a more varied choice for the jury to vote. However I think I may have changed my mind recently, as I feel it's getting rather predictable when a 3-person alliance goes to the end together. After Woo's blunder last series I actually miss the final tribal council where the winner of the challenge chooses their opponent. So if I had my choice I'd want to keep it as a final 2 now.
What an episode tonight. Douchebags ABC (Alec, Keith and Wes) got completely exposed.
I liked Josh so much but I was totally fine to have him voted out now - big move made at the right time by Jon and Jaclyn. It was really awkward for viewers to see Douchebags ABC treating Jaclyn like a maid. And we finally knew why the producers had aired the segment about the silly Baylor vote by Josh on day 1 and the subsequent incidents. Bit him in the arse at the end
Since quitters are part of the jury, was this Julie's last chance to quit without being required to go on the jury? Maybe the producers gave her a little encouragement to go knowing it may cause them some headaches if she quit later on, as she obviously wouldn't have wanted to be on the jury.
Not exactly. IIRC if quitters quit during jury phase she would be part of jury or not depending on the producers' deliberation
Crap elimination, it gives Jeremy more power though it was no surpise with the edit making out Baylor to be some poor victimised girl. We pretty much only had her point of view. Apparently she didn't do much around camp and I agree with Keith that complaining about farting/belching is quite petty in the context of this game. I hope it comes back to bite the weak woman who changed her vote. If she had a problem she should have brought it up with them rather than just getting petty. Jeremy still sounds as bitter as ever, yet I haven't seen any reason for him to be bitter.
Also Jeremy pretending he was some knight in shining armour who never farted while in the presence of their Queenships was pretty funny. Wasn't he angry about the complaints of the quitter recently who he said was too fragile? Guess the storyline means he can't complain on this one.
I've been rooting for Keith, though it was stupid of him to in effect tell the other side that Baylor was the target. Hoping there'll at least be a big moment with his idol.
On the subject of whether there should be 2 or 3 contestants in the finale.... I tended to back what it was originally as 2 people facing off against each other in a final showdown. I can see though how that could sometimes be a landslide and if there are 3 maybe there is more chance of a closer finish sometimes, though one of them is also likely to be a no hoper too.
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No puzzle again in the challenge, hopefully they bring that back by individual immunity, though obviously some will be endurance then as well.
Will the blue tribe need to vote somebody out for a bag of rice? I am curious to know what can happen next
Kelley got screwed in the edit for this episode, though I suppose the overall storyline of her tribe had very little to do with her even though she was the one booted.
Was good to see everyone get some focus.
There's some of them I find irritating but I can appreciate what they bring.
One thing that irks me about Jeremy for instance is that I feel like I know everything he's going to say. It all seems so predictable for some reason, but I don't dislike him. Could just be the edit, having seen every season I know what to expect and his edit seems way too clean and 'paint by numbers' at the moment.
If I was to have my choice I'd probably want Reed, Dale and Missy to go next, I feel like they have the least potential. Plus mother/daughter relationships never work too well on reality shows, the mother's presence is usually way too suffocating.
I kind of liked crabby Jeremy, after complaining last time that his edit is too perfect and his confessionals too cliched. This episode he looked slightly villainous and way more interesting.
Am a bit tired of lovey-dovey couple Jon and Jaclyn though, I can just imagine how cringy it is to be around them smooching and complimenting eachother.
At least now the clocks have gone back in the UK I can see what happens the night the episode is on rather than having to wait until the next day because I'm too tired to stay up lol
Glad Keith is still there though the edit didn't put him in danger anyway. It would be nice to see the idol played rather than just taken out of the game in a blindside again, it can be much more satisfying seeing that.
Not exactly a spoiler but:
Season still pretty much sucks
I felt bad for Julie though. There was something wrong watching the group going through Julie's bag, stealing her stuff and making sly comments to her. She made an apt description of it to Jeff comparing it to Mean Girls.
Glad Jeremy was possibly saved from the quit. He's one of the few interesting people who brings some passion to the game instead of just floating along. Though if Josh went aswell then at least that would open up the edit and the alliances a bit. Out of the two though Josh is the more boring monotone narrator, he's like a robot, so get rid of him first.
Josh's alliance with Reed, Alec, Wes and Keith is so badly underdeveloped it's very unlikely they gain control. No matter whether Josh or Jeremy go next, it's the couples who are in the middle that will be in-control, since with Kelley and now Julie gone, Jeremy is lacking numbers, and Josh's alliance is full of people the viewers have been given no reason to care about.
Makes me suspect that some betrayals and blindsides are on the way, hopefully.
I actually found Julie likable unlike the others, and I love that she kept some trail mix for herself, the others acting like this was some deplorable act when going on the history of the type of people cast for Survivor they tend to cast more right-wing Republican types who are now preaching socialism because Julie took the food, oh the hilarity of it all.
I actually can't even pick someone I want to win at this point, I like Josh the best I guess only cause everyone else annoys me so that doesn't say much.
The whole thing with Julie and the food was weird. First, why a huge feast just for the merge, they don't normally do that do they? Second, all of them were at the feast and they could all have saved food for themselves if they wanted to, I don't see how anyone could say there was 'stealing'. If they didn't take food away for themselves or were too greedy to save it for long that was their problem. It was weird that this basic fact wasn't pointed out by anyone including Probst. Maybe they just wanted to justify the dislike of Julie, but it didn't work. And Jeff going on about her wanting to leave as she was getting voted off also didn't make much sense as she didn't seem an immediate target. And why the hell should she care about weakening some alliance, she isn't best buddies with anyone, she doesn't have to give any help to anyone to win the million. Again I think Jeff was just trying to paint her badly, and failing.
The end was a disappointment, I wish they had gone ahead with a tribal. Episodes without a tribal always tend to be a letdown. Jeff had already told them there was good news so it was obvious to viewers with a brain that this meant no tribal and the same to any contestants with a brain. Despite that they put in some confessionals to try and create suspense about the upcoming tribal, which we all knew wasn't going to happen anyway.
Yeah the food also was provided for by production, they did not win it in a challenge or catch it in the sea. If she saved some rather than munch the whole thing that was her prerogative.
I'm surprised he had the nerve to demand such loyalty from Baylor when he actually voted for her at the first tribal council. I'm not much of a fan of Baylor either but I hope she screws him over in the future for that.
Plus did he really call himself and Reed "successful broadway stars" when talking about the option of going to the end with either them or fireman Jeremy? *cringe* Like 'Purple Reed' is getting to the end anyway.
I get the feeling Jeremy and Josh will both take the fall and Baylor/Missy, Jon/Jaclyn, and possibly Keith aswell, will reap the benefits. It's hard to put Wes with Keith as a fully functioning pair as they've had very little development together. I mean the whole of Wes's birthday was from Keith's perspective rather than from both of them.
Although overall I think aligning with pairs is just a bad idea in general, even if you're in a pair yourself, as there's extra emotional attachments and baggage involved that distracts players from playing a logical game.
I don't love Josh but I don't think that was a bad move for him or Baylor.
As for Missy no wonder she had so many divorces she seems the type that it would be her way or the highway.
I don't really buy that reason as he didn't even inform Baylor of the plan, it just came across as a last-minute decision done out of desperation so he didn't annoy anyone. It seemed cowardly rather than strategic. I think that's what has made him one of my least favourites from the start. He's not so bad now though, apart from the "successful broadway stars" comment.
I really didn't like Baylor before either but I have to admit she's an unpredictable scrappy player which is interesting to watch.
Delusions of grandeur.
I hate quitters.
Depends whether it's a final 2 or 3 this year. 12 went into the merge this series, so if the jury starts next week then it will follow the same system as last series - a final 2 with a 9 person jury.
As far as the whole final 2 vs final 3 debate goes, I've always been a supporter of a final 3 as it allows a more varied choice for the jury to vote. However I think I may have changed my mind recently, as I feel it's getting rather predictable when a 3-person alliance goes to the end together. After Woo's blunder last series I actually miss the final tribal council where the winner of the challenge chooses their opponent. So if I had my choice I'd want to keep it as a final 2 now.
I liked Josh so much but I was totally fine to have him voted out now - big move made at the right time by Jon and Jaclyn. It was really awkward for viewers to see Douchebags ABC treating Jaclyn like a maid. And we finally knew why the producers had aired the segment about the silly Baylor vote by Josh on day 1 and the subsequent incidents. Bit him in the arse at the end
Not exactly. IIRC if quitters quit during jury phase she would be part of jury or not depending on the producers' deliberation
http://survivor.wikia.com/wiki/Quit
I am glad she quit at the right moment. TBH I don't want to see her and Jon on the show at all.
On the subject of whether there should be 2 or 3 contestants in the finale.... I tended to back what it was originally as 2 people facing off against each other in a final showdown. I can see though how that could sometimes be a landslide and if there are 3 maybe there is more chance of a closer finish sometimes, though one of them is also likely to be a no hoper too.