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Benefit Fraud vs. Tax Evasion

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    HeresyIsFreedomHeresyIsFreedom Posts: 3,229
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    rusty123 wrote: »
    Some might say reduce their tax liability and make this country a place people consider doing business in.

    Some people might say we could fly on a Pegasus to the end of the rainbow and a leprechaun will give us a pot of gold for free; because that's about as credible in believing in "trickle-down".
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    rusty123rusty123 Posts: 22,872
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    Some people might say we could fly on a Pegasus to the end of the rainbow and a leprechaun will give us a pot of gold for free; because that's about as credible in believing in "trickle-down".

    Book my place on the flying horse then, because if alternative is "grab up" I don't forsee the money hanging around for long.

    If I was seriously minted and thought I was being taxed beyond a level I deemed appropriate I'd be off and I bet the vast majority would do the same if they were being honest.

    If you want to see if "trickle down" can work then you've got to give those with the money the incentive to reinvest and create opportunities.
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    HeresyIsFreedomHeresyIsFreedom Posts: 3,229
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    rusty123 wrote: »
    If you want to see if "trickle down" can work then you've got to give those with the money the incentive to reinvest and create opportunities.

    They had that opportunity when Thatcher went on her Friedman inspired economic reforms.

    The rich got richer, the poor got poorer.

    Trickle-down simply doesn't work.
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    Nick1966Nick1966 Posts: 15,742
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    Trickle-down simply doesn't work.

    No it does not.

    Over the last 15 years, those who on the highest salaries have seen their pay rise by a great percentage than everyone else. And even now, whilst most are seeing a reduction in their salaries (after prices increases), the highest earners are still enjoying above inflation pay rises.
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    rusty123rusty123 Posts: 22,872
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    Nick1966 wrote: »
    No it does not.

    Over the last 15 years, those who on the highest salaries have seen their pay rise by a great percentage than everyone else. And even now, whilst most are seeing a reduction in their salaries (after prices increases), the highest earners are still enjoying above inflation pay rises.

    I don't really care if the percentage increase of the top earners is higher or lower than everyone elses. That has nothing to do with whether wealth trickles down. I'd judge it by looking at the standards of living of the lower tiers. How do they compare to what they were 15 years ago?
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    HeresyIsFreedomHeresyIsFreedom Posts: 3,229
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    rusty123 wrote: »
    I don't really care if the percentage increase of the top earners is higher or lower than everyone elses. That has nothing to do with whether wealth trickles down. I'd judge it by looking at the standards of living of the lower tiers. How do they compare to what they were 15 years ago?

    Well given that the news was reporting the largest drop in living standards for 30 years I guess you question is clearly answered.

    Trickle-down doesn't work.

    A greater percentage of total wealth is concentrated in a much smaller percentage of the population.

    Trickle-down doesn't work.
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    andyknandykn Posts: 66,849
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    rusty123 wrote: »
    Some might say reduce their tax liability and make this country a place people consider doing business in.

    Because that worked so well for Ireland.
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    Ethel_Fred wrote: »
    If we cracked down on tax evasion is effectively increasing the rate of tax on tax evaders - therefore they'd leave the country taking their businesses with them, so it's better to allow people to defraud the Treasury. :rolleyes:

    Which is why it needs to be wiped out because it is WRONG! Why should normal folk be picking up the tab for big businesses?

    The debate shouldn't end because of these 'convenient truths'.
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    rusty123rusty123 Posts: 22,872
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    Well given that the news was reporting the largest drop in living standards for 30 years I guess you question is clearly answered.

    Trickle-down doesn't work.

    A greater percentage of total wealth is concentrated in a much smaller percentage of the population.

    Trickle-down doesn't work.

    If standards had been rising for 3 decades pre 2008 what do you put that down to?
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    paulschapmanpaulschapman Posts: 35,536
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    Which is why it needs to be wiped out because it is WRONG! Why should normal folk be picking up the tab for big businesses?

    The debate shouldn't end because of these 'convenient truths'.

    One of the coalition policies is to reduce and simplify our tax system - thereby removing such anomolies - however you do not change 10,000+ pages of tax law without time and a great deal of thought.
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    andyknandykn Posts: 66,849
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    One of the coalition policies is to reduce and simplify our tax system - thereby removing such anomolies - however you do not change 10,000+ pages of tax law without time and a great deal of thought.

    Closing British run tax havens wouldn't take much time or thought if the will was really there. I suspect it isn't.
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    Dave1979Dave1979 Posts: 1,804
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    We are the 99%!!!
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    wns_195wns_195 Posts: 13,568
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    Benefit fraud and tax evasion are both wrong. I'm not one for ranking crimes. That's something people with agendas do, and people who do that are to be viewed with suspicion. People guilty of either should receive lengthy custodial sentences of 5 years +a day per pound stolen.
    Dave1979 wrote: »
    We are the 99%!!!

    99% of people aren't bothered enough to occupy anything, stop using the companies which the Occupy movement opposes, etc.
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