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History about to repeat itself WW3?
Global Depression.
High Inflation.
Massive Global Unemployment.
1 Aggresive Nation.
This was pre WW2.
We have the same mixture again,
Global depression - Its still there despite media reports.
High Inflation - Soon to kick in
Massive Global Unemployment - Speaks for itself
1 Agressive Nation - Iran
Could history repeat itself?
High Inflation.
Massive Global Unemployment.
1 Aggresive Nation.
This was pre WW2.
We have the same mixture again,
Global depression - Its still there despite media reports.
High Inflation - Soon to kick in
Massive Global Unemployment - Speaks for itself
1 Agressive Nation - Iran
Could history repeat itself?
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When we have just invaded two countries in the last 8 years and Iran hasn't started a war in 300 years how do you make Iran the aggressive nation?
I.e middle east become one huge battlefield ala Saladin's Crusaders then both China and Russia move in and reprimand Israel after it burns Gaza to the ground along with Tehran and parts of Lebenon.
America moves to halt the chinese and the russia's - sh#t really flares up
Last I heard it was Israel who were threatening to bomb Iran.
That would make Israel the aggressor and the problem not Iran wouldn't it?
What I don't quite get is America's opinion that it gets to decide which countries can have nuclear technology.
If Gingerland ever decides to go nuclear, I'd be telling America to mind it's own effing business as well.
Um....yeah, eight or nine years before WW2! :eek:
Rearmament had actually dragged most major powers and nations OUT of high unemployment, and the Depression as such was over by 1932, we just had to climb back to where we HAD been. In Europe, the last country to come out of recession and high unemployment was actually Holland - who SPECIFICALLY did so by a naval rconstruction programme for the Dutch Navy, which sparked off a local recoveryy...Holland having been affected by the Depression longer than anywhere else because the Dutch government tried to get through it by keeping the Guilder on the gold standard and pumping money into keeping its value up. Others recovered by A/ massive rearmament programmes earlier...and B/ by coming off the gold standard early enough and allowing their currencies to free-fall and balance themselves after the 1929 Crash and Depression.
In the late 1932 election in Germany the Nazi Party vote had actually begun to go DOWN again - because Germany was coming OUT of the Depression - the German Red Cross had actually closed its soups kitchens again!
But "God's Chosen People" ie the Jews/Israelis are behaving exactly like the supremacists that the term implies.
Presumably you'd say the very same to the UK and France who took the same stand as the USA?
and an Ahmagodhewantsjihad.
So the way to get out of a bad recession is to pump money into the military? Why is Brown planning on cutting it then?
To put it in simple terms - in a recession every industry closes down to some extent...but if its an INTERNATIONAL recession, a nation's industries that rely on exporting their wares are doubly f**ked
So - the government of Bigendia, reacting to some external threat or potential threat or other, decides to rearm its national army...which has been an easy target in peacetime for spending cuts
They put in place contracts to build new warships, build and buy new aircraft etc....private companies win the contracts, and build FOR MONEY whatever it is that the government wants. And thus they take on more workers....
AND PAY THEM WAGES OUT OF THE MONEY THEY'VE EARNED FROM THE GOVERNMENT. Said workers THEN go home each pay day wanting to BUY stuff with their money...so one of TWO things happen - they buy imports...because DOMESTIC industries producing what they want have closed down in the recession....OR domestic industry starts up again to satisfy those wants and thus fleece said workers of their hard earned pay!
And soon after THAT....Company A that closed the majority of its factories during the recession - ONCE it has made enough to satisfy DOMESTIC demand...finds that it has the capacity again to sell its wares abroad...
....to the newly-employed war industry workers of Littlendia next door, who can likewise buy EITHER domestic with their newly-bulging paypackets full of (government) money OR foreign imports...
Thus in the 1930s German tin clockwork toys flooded the world again once the domestic market had been saturated with new production for the children of newly-employed parents...while IN Germany - the most popular foreign foodstuff appears to have been...Campbell's tinned Cream of Tomato Soup! Enjoyed by the masses - and every day for lunch by Hitler and the NSDAP hierarchy in 1933 in Berlin!!! :eek:
And ALL (in Germany's case) from government money entering the system to kickstart the economy again bigtime. Same thing happened in Holland from 1936 on, in the UK from 1934-5 on, etc., etc....
(THIS is why the present-day domestic military procurment sector is SO vital to the U.S. economy, for example....because it's simply so HUGE an industrial sector, paying wages/salaries that are spent on the wares of so many OTHER industries...and therefore why the U.S. really LIKES a regular "drip-fed" brush war going on somewhere all the time....!)
Weeeell....apart from anything else we don't actually HAVE much of a domestic arms/military procurment industry to support! Look how many companies and big names have vanished over the last thirty years! :eek: We (the British) have been buying penny-packet-sized systems for DECADES now....when we SHOULD have been buying hundreds of something, if not thousands....we have a miniature army that only uses a few dozen of X every now and again!
OF COURSE we don't have much to defend any more - except our country LOL...but if you GET "small" you only NEED "small" to supply it. We're having to source 5.56mm munitions abroad now, for instance, because our two ordnance factories can't make enough to supply the "war"!!!
I've got nothing against the government doing something about the inefficiencies in the system or getting better value for money for the taxpayer (I am one after all), but they appear to be making no effort to do this, but are instead seemingly cutting things at random and delaying projects that would be truly useful to our forces.
Of course...because IF we had retained a decent industry and reseach and development facilities - we could ALSO develop and manufacture something worth selling to OTHER countries! :eek:Look how many people buy American arms and aircraft??? WE are going to have to buy American for the Royal Navy, next time...and we're not developing a replacement (probably COULDN'T develop!) for the Harrier/Sea Harrier - even tho' we invented the damn thing in the first place.
Despite all those big arms fairs - exactly how many people are queuing up these days to buy British arms? Leaving aside the WHOLE issue of the morality of the arms' industry....it used to put money in people's pockets here in the UK. It's now shrunk to the point that it can't win contracts - because we don't MAKE much worth selling.
And what what we DO have that's worth it - we don't have an industry big enough to build it CHEAP via "economies in scale" I.E. cheap enough to attract bulk buyers away from American...
You are right that we don't have much of a truly domestic arms industry any more, but that's because there have been lots of mergers within Europe and companies like BAE Systems have massively expanded in the US over the last few years while the pound was so strong.
Because of security regulations though, these companies can't in many cases actually share resources (technology) between US and UK arms. All communications between US and UK staff have to be recorded and permission received before communication can take place (The US insists on it).
The main advantage to having branches in the US and the UK is giving the executives a bigger empire (it impresses shareholders) and more justification for their obscene pay demands. It certainly doesn't give any advantages to the vast majority of UK staff who have seen their numbers reduced as these companies seek to get out of a shrinking market. These companies are effectively using UK taxpayers money to expand into the US and will then dump their UK parts when established. This is entirely the fault of the UK government and the MOD for allowing it to happen.
the western powers are so TWO FACED in this!!
What's going to drive the high inflation?
Getting the bomb is the only way they can guarantee none of those countries has a pop. Much as I despise the Iranian regime, you cannot fault their logic on this one.
That's my point in a nutshell - we shouldn't NEED to share technology and research....we should have an industry big enough and healthy enough to develop what we need ourselves :eek: And as a "front line" country that still seems to think of itself as a major power...what arms we make SHOULD be worth selling to and being bought by other nations.
Look at the Harrier jumpjet example again - twenty five years or so ago we sold manufacturing and development rights to the U.S. - and they began building it and developing new versions for the U.S. Marine Corps....
If it was so good that they wanted it - they should have bought the finished product directly from us in quantity! Except we didn't have the size of aviation industry either that could provide the MANY hundreds they wanted....because the lack of military spending had LIKEWISE gradually shrunk the aviation industry here...
No I don't and for two reasons;
1. While there was the league of Nations in the pre WW2 years the UN for all it's faults is a far stronger organisation and even if we did not have that - we have NATO
2. For all the rise in inflation it is no where near the level in Germany where it got so expensive that a coffee price would increase from when it was poured to when it was paid for.
Hyperinflation may be a fact of life for the people of Zimbabwe, but for those of us in the West we are nowhere near it yet.
It was this hyper-inflation which created the disenchantment of the German people that was filled by National Socialism, and Hitler.
Um...frankly, given what a modern World War would entail - I don't care who is branded what...as long as I'm alive at the end of it!