A brief history of the feminist movement
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This was written in the context of the "rape culture" debate on another discussion board.
In the beginning, the First Wave of the Feminist movement -the main voice in the feminist camp was Equity Feminism, which held that mena dn women were equal - had equal rights and accountability. Warren Farrell Camille Paglia, Swayne Pie, Christina Hoff-Sommers etc were part of this strand. Farrell held a key position in NOW during this time.
There was another camp that came in later - that of Gender Feminism. Notable names here were Shulamith Firestone, Andrea Dworkin, Mary Koss, Mary Daly etc. They held to a massively different, darker philosophy.
Feminism split in the early 70s.
Today's feminist-inspired culture is VERY hostile towards men. This is detailed in Pye's book...
Book - Why Britain Hates Men - Swayne Pie
Swayne Pie along with Warren Farrell, Christina Hoff-Sommers, Camille Paglia etc were very prominent in the early 1970s feminist movement when it was still Equity Feminism, before the Feminist Schism happened in the early-mid 1970s from which time Andrea Dworkin, MAry daly, Valerie Solanas, Shulamith Firestone, Mary Koss and other Gender Feminists (the man-hating lot) took over the American NAtional Organization of Women (the USA equiv of our Fawcett Trust).
Basically - Equity Feminism held the view of equal rights and responsibilities for both sexes, while Gender Feminism held to a Gynocentric female supremacist model, where women would rule over men as in mistress/slave. The Gender Feminists wanted to keep the men down as they feared the Men's movement (proto-MHRAs) owuld want to stage a coup and impose an Androcentric - man as lord, woman as chattel model.
This androcentric model is NOT the aim of the MHRA, and never has been.
Equity and Gender Feminism - Wiki
The Equity Feminists (Farrell, Hoff-Sommers, PAglia et al left the movement, and set up the proto-MHRA movement.
The Gender Feminists became more militant.
Meanwhile in London during 1971, Erin Pizzey set up the first domestic violence shelters in London. They catered to both men and women. The Feminist movement (now resolutely gynocentric) offered to ally with her, but then took incandescent offence to Erin offering DV services to men.
The militant elements took over the shelter network by force, threatened to firebomb Erin's home - the Bomb Squad were involved filtering all her post. Eventually, Erin Pizzey had to flee the UK after her dog was shot. She fled to the USA.
In the late 1970s and early 1980s, there was a massive schism within the feminist ivory tower.
The Feminist Sex War. The Wiki article coers all teh separated views.
Out int he world - we would see the heated pro-porn and anti-porn debates, the Clarence Thomas hearings, film certifications, the Alton Bill/VRC/home video under the BBFC etc.
Gynocentric feminism slowly became the zeitgeist. The proto-MHRAs were trying to debate, but were told to jog on.
3rd wave feminism would kinda cause gynocentric Feminism to come back together in a way, but because of the AIDS crisis, the anti-sex side of the feminist movement had got a lead over the pro-sex side.
Gynocentric feminism and the proto-MHRAs started souting louder and louder at each other. Proto-MHRAs were shouting "hang on - you're missing something here", but were blocked at every tur - they were only a tiny movement, but after their Cuban missile crisis moment, they settled into a cold war.
In the 1980s and early 1990s, the closest analogy between the two sides could be the Cold War, then Glasnost - the Ronnie&Maggie/Gorby period. Yes - there were a few spats (sociosexual equivs of Grenada, maybe Afghan...). This uneasy truce held till 1997.
We saw the effects of those skirmishes in films like fatal Attraction, Looking for Mr Goodbar, Basic Instinct and the like. During the 80s, the uneasy truce would be seen in set dressings like the "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" plaque on the female protagonist's filing cabinet in A Very Peculiar Practice, etc.
But it was basically a sociosexual cold war. In the late 80s, it seemed to relax. A kind of sociosexual Glasnost.
The Third Wave of Feminism started in the early 90s - and basically started a scrap within the ivory towers of feminism - and continued to this day. Its current incarnation of the fights and internal squabblings can be seen on Tumblr etc - a good grounding in the skirmishes du jour can be seen on
Reddit Tumblr In Action - mainly taking the piss
Reddit TIA discussion - more balanced
Reddit - Shit Reddit Says Discussion
Consider that Reddit is used a lot by students, you see a good realtime crosssection of the debate. Like herding cats, but from the comfort of your own home.
There is a subfaction of the reddit community - the Social Justice Warriors. It is highly likely that Susan Faludi, our next key player, was part of them. Her 1970s equivalents were the ones who put the frighteners on Erin Pizzey. Basically the feminist SJWs are the militant wing.
In the 90s, the feminist/MHRA battle started heating up again. Susan Faludi, one of the 3rd wave rising stars, wrote and released Backlash - the Undeclared War Against Women.
Rather than keeping things cool between the sexes, this reframed the whole cold war and truce period as a guerrilla war. The men wanted to take over again - they were negotiating - BUT THEY SPEAK WITH FORKED TONGUE! "WE HAVE TO CRUSH THESE UPSTARTS!".
"Those little worms are trying to oust us!" Remember - the Feminist movement was resolutely gynocentric. Although they still fought amongst themselves, they coalesced. Faludi shouted, and the transwomen, straights, lesbians, trans, what-bloody-ever... rallied to the call. "Since the 70s, the men are fighting back! We must crush them! A preemptive nuclear strike!"
"FEMINISM IS FOR EVERYONE!" they shouted. "Oh cool!" exclaimed the exiled protoMHRAs who would come in, and try to add a male voice to the debate.
Legitimate questions were asked about the burdens men had - if we were going to rework women's gender roles and the whole of society , surely the male voice would be needed.
But they were shut out.
At every turn.
And it was seen as an attempted coup.
So the Duluth model and other ways of othering all the bad stuff was worked out. The debate chambers became echo chambers.
One of the subsets, Radical feminism, somehow declared that rather than a theoretical model, that "patriarchy" was real. And as the whole of feminism was gynocentric, they would lead the charge.
All our vehement antimale friends were Radicals - Radfems
Feminism, unlike other groups, works on the principal of "silence is consent". So the Radicals set out to blame the men for everything wrong.
"ATTACK WARNING RED ATTACK WARNING RED"
Massive legal changes were rolled out - and a nuclear strike happened... it has also been described as a curb-stomp battle. Men were caught out - a coup d'etat was declared.
Men were declared obsolete. Katie Roiphe described the aftermath of the declaration of war on the male sex in The Morning After - Fear, Sex and Feminism..
This was around 1991-1992.
As a small fightback, men would try to reclaim a little of the sociosexual arena. Loaded etc were rolled out. As people tried to get their bearings again.
Men had their backs to the wall. Many became male feminists , but by now the gynocentric imperative was in operation.
Small fightbacks (lad mags etc) came in.. trying to have a little male space.
since 1992, feminism and Gynocentrism is the zeitgeist. What the woman wants is the key driver.
Over 30 years, we have seen fewer and fewer positive male role-models in the media, Matrilineal family structures are more common etc..
A fog of radical feminist, misandric culture has slowly grown in places. Welcome to 50000 BC. Alpha ****s Beta Bucks, mums cashing out when bored with a amrriage.. women have been able to shed their gender roles - but with the men not being allowed to the table - men have a role as "packhorse".
A good story covering gender relations re sex etc.
The princess and the plowhorse.
Today.
We have Radical Feminists (the loudest) driving government.
Equity feminsts are joining the men's groups so that men can have a voice - as only women can actually speak up for them. Man is the new "******".
Some of us will work and live... but walk away, as if you get married now as a man - you are an indentured slave.
And yet some radfems still claim to be defeated, fighting a "patriarchy" which is dead.
The average "blue pill" young man born after about 1995 is worthless. A human doing. A beast of burden, a wallet, or a dildo with a life support system.
And society is collapsing.
It's at its worst in Canada and America, we're following - but we're turning back slowly in the Uk, and Aussie is 10 years behind us.
Men love women - the reason why you see the sociopaths is that all the supportive guys dove for the shelters, and now being told "**** you" by Woman... many of us are walking away.
I idenify as MGTOW - a man Going His Own Way. But I will help to chronicle stuff... so if we do manage to stop the radfems who are screwing ti up for men and women - we could possibly rebuild this society.
You see the effects of the culture on Jeremy kyle... we never needed the programme before. We see it in the shattered relationships, int he marriag rate of nearly zero, more births to unwed unfit families...
Sociopaths are selected as sex partners... rather than the dependable betas who built advanced Western civilisation.
And a remnant is forming. The red pill communities and Manosphere. redicovering how to be men. Slowly bringing to light and counteracting the legal changes that gave predatory women a free pass.
Men are where women were when Betty Friedan released her first book back in the 1950s.
The fightback against 50 years of discrimination against men is in progress. The long slow road for male civil rights.
"I have a dream today. That boys and girls will not be judged by their reproductive organs, but by the content of their character...."
The current misandrists are most of the guardian's personnel, people like Jessica Valenti, Amanda MArcotte, Adele Mercier, Jaclyn Friedan...
And now when you look on SRS - the Radical lot are fighting amongst themselves. It's lierally more like...
The EDL
Radical Gender Feminists, this may be uncomfortable for you to hear - but the original author of your ideology - Shulamith Firestone - was a paranoid schizophrenic with PTSD and daddy issues.. Please could you calm down, take a step back, and view the world with fresh eyes.
You rant against men. Take killallmen - would you want to kill your brother? Your father? Your husband?
Are we all that bad? really?
You are listening to a psychopath.
Please, for the sake of humanity, stop.
The MHRA's core are Equity Feminists. Listen to people like Christina Hoff-Sommers and Helen Smith. Listen rationally. Doesn't it make a bit of sense?
Love was twisted into hate. It doesn't need to be this way.
In the beginning, the First Wave of the Feminist movement -the main voice in the feminist camp was Equity Feminism, which held that mena dn women were equal - had equal rights and accountability. Warren Farrell Camille Paglia, Swayne Pie, Christina Hoff-Sommers etc were part of this strand. Farrell held a key position in NOW during this time.
There was another camp that came in later - that of Gender Feminism. Notable names here were Shulamith Firestone, Andrea Dworkin, Mary Koss, Mary Daly etc. They held to a massively different, darker philosophy.
Feminism split in the early 70s.
Today's feminist-inspired culture is VERY hostile towards men. This is detailed in Pye's book...
Book - Why Britain Hates Men - Swayne Pie
Swayne Pie along with Warren Farrell, Christina Hoff-Sommers, Camille Paglia etc were very prominent in the early 1970s feminist movement when it was still Equity Feminism, before the Feminist Schism happened in the early-mid 1970s from which time Andrea Dworkin, MAry daly, Valerie Solanas, Shulamith Firestone, Mary Koss and other Gender Feminists (the man-hating lot) took over the American NAtional Organization of Women (the USA equiv of our Fawcett Trust).
Basically - Equity Feminism held the view of equal rights and responsibilities for both sexes, while Gender Feminism held to a Gynocentric female supremacist model, where women would rule over men as in mistress/slave. The Gender Feminists wanted to keep the men down as they feared the Men's movement (proto-MHRAs) owuld want to stage a coup and impose an Androcentric - man as lord, woman as chattel model.
This androcentric model is NOT the aim of the MHRA, and never has been.
Equity and Gender Feminism - Wiki
The Equity Feminists (Farrell, Hoff-Sommers, PAglia et al left the movement, and set up the proto-MHRA movement.
The Gender Feminists became more militant.
Meanwhile in London during 1971, Erin Pizzey set up the first domestic violence shelters in London. They catered to both men and women. The Feminist movement (now resolutely gynocentric) offered to ally with her, but then took incandescent offence to Erin offering DV services to men.
The militant elements took over the shelter network by force, threatened to firebomb Erin's home - the Bomb Squad were involved filtering all her post. Eventually, Erin Pizzey had to flee the UK after her dog was shot. She fled to the USA.
In the late 1970s and early 1980s, there was a massive schism within the feminist ivory tower.
The Feminist Sex War. The Wiki article coers all teh separated views.
Out int he world - we would see the heated pro-porn and anti-porn debates, the Clarence Thomas hearings, film certifications, the Alton Bill/VRC/home video under the BBFC etc.
Gynocentric feminism slowly became the zeitgeist. The proto-MHRAs were trying to debate, but were told to jog on.
3rd wave feminism would kinda cause gynocentric Feminism to come back together in a way, but because of the AIDS crisis, the anti-sex side of the feminist movement had got a lead over the pro-sex side.
Gynocentric feminism and the proto-MHRAs started souting louder and louder at each other. Proto-MHRAs were shouting "hang on - you're missing something here", but were blocked at every tur - they were only a tiny movement, but after their Cuban missile crisis moment, they settled into a cold war.
In the 1980s and early 1990s, the closest analogy between the two sides could be the Cold War, then Glasnost - the Ronnie&Maggie/Gorby period. Yes - there were a few spats (sociosexual equivs of Grenada, maybe Afghan...). This uneasy truce held till 1997.
We saw the effects of those skirmishes in films like fatal Attraction, Looking for Mr Goodbar, Basic Instinct and the like. During the 80s, the uneasy truce would be seen in set dressings like the "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" plaque on the female protagonist's filing cabinet in A Very Peculiar Practice, etc.
But it was basically a sociosexual cold war. In the late 80s, it seemed to relax. A kind of sociosexual Glasnost.
The Third Wave of Feminism started in the early 90s - and basically started a scrap within the ivory towers of feminism - and continued to this day. Its current incarnation of the fights and internal squabblings can be seen on Tumblr etc - a good grounding in the skirmishes du jour can be seen on
Reddit Tumblr In Action - mainly taking the piss
Reddit TIA discussion - more balanced
Reddit - Shit Reddit Says Discussion
Consider that Reddit is used a lot by students, you see a good realtime crosssection of the debate. Like herding cats, but from the comfort of your own home.
There is a subfaction of the reddit community - the Social Justice Warriors. It is highly likely that Susan Faludi, our next key player, was part of them. Her 1970s equivalents were the ones who put the frighteners on Erin Pizzey. Basically the feminist SJWs are the militant wing.
In the 90s, the feminist/MHRA battle started heating up again. Susan Faludi, one of the 3rd wave rising stars, wrote and released Backlash - the Undeclared War Against Women.
Rather than keeping things cool between the sexes, this reframed the whole cold war and truce period as a guerrilla war. The men wanted to take over again - they were negotiating - BUT THEY SPEAK WITH FORKED TONGUE! "WE HAVE TO CRUSH THESE UPSTARTS!".
"Those little worms are trying to oust us!" Remember - the Feminist movement was resolutely gynocentric. Although they still fought amongst themselves, they coalesced. Faludi shouted, and the transwomen, straights, lesbians, trans, what-bloody-ever... rallied to the call. "Since the 70s, the men are fighting back! We must crush them! A preemptive nuclear strike!"
"FEMINISM IS FOR EVERYONE!" they shouted. "Oh cool!" exclaimed the exiled protoMHRAs who would come in, and try to add a male voice to the debate.
Legitimate questions were asked about the burdens men had - if we were going to rework women's gender roles and the whole of society , surely the male voice would be needed.
But they were shut out.
At every turn.
And it was seen as an attempted coup.
So the Duluth model and other ways of othering all the bad stuff was worked out. The debate chambers became echo chambers.
One of the subsets, Radical feminism, somehow declared that rather than a theoretical model, that "patriarchy" was real. And as the whole of feminism was gynocentric, they would lead the charge.
All our vehement antimale friends were Radicals - Radfems
Feminism, unlike other groups, works on the principal of "silence is consent". So the Radicals set out to blame the men for everything wrong.
"ATTACK WARNING RED ATTACK WARNING RED"
Massive legal changes were rolled out - and a nuclear strike happened... it has also been described as a curb-stomp battle. Men were caught out - a coup d'etat was declared.
Men were declared obsolete. Katie Roiphe described the aftermath of the declaration of war on the male sex in The Morning After - Fear, Sex and Feminism..
This was around 1991-1992.
As a small fightback, men would try to reclaim a little of the sociosexual arena. Loaded etc were rolled out. As people tried to get their bearings again.
Men had their backs to the wall. Many became male feminists , but by now the gynocentric imperative was in operation.
Small fightbacks (lad mags etc) came in.. trying to have a little male space.
since 1992, feminism and Gynocentrism is the zeitgeist. What the woman wants is the key driver.
Over 30 years, we have seen fewer and fewer positive male role-models in the media, Matrilineal family structures are more common etc..
A fog of radical feminist, misandric culture has slowly grown in places. Welcome to 50000 BC. Alpha ****s Beta Bucks, mums cashing out when bored with a amrriage.. women have been able to shed their gender roles - but with the men not being allowed to the table - men have a role as "packhorse".
A good story covering gender relations re sex etc.
The princess and the plowhorse.
Today.
We have Radical Feminists (the loudest) driving government.
Equity feminsts are joining the men's groups so that men can have a voice - as only women can actually speak up for them. Man is the new "******".
Some of us will work and live... but walk away, as if you get married now as a man - you are an indentured slave.
And yet some radfems still claim to be defeated, fighting a "patriarchy" which is dead.
The average "blue pill" young man born after about 1995 is worthless. A human doing. A beast of burden, a wallet, or a dildo with a life support system.
And society is collapsing.
It's at its worst in Canada and America, we're following - but we're turning back slowly in the Uk, and Aussie is 10 years behind us.
Men love women - the reason why you see the sociopaths is that all the supportive guys dove for the shelters, and now being told "**** you" by Woman... many of us are walking away.
I idenify as MGTOW - a man Going His Own Way. But I will help to chronicle stuff... so if we do manage to stop the radfems who are screwing ti up for men and women - we could possibly rebuild this society.
You see the effects of the culture on Jeremy kyle... we never needed the programme before. We see it in the shattered relationships, int he marriag rate of nearly zero, more births to unwed unfit families...
Sociopaths are selected as sex partners... rather than the dependable betas who built advanced Western civilisation.
And a remnant is forming. The red pill communities and Manosphere. redicovering how to be men. Slowly bringing to light and counteracting the legal changes that gave predatory women a free pass.
Men are where women were when Betty Friedan released her first book back in the 1950s.
The fightback against 50 years of discrimination against men is in progress. The long slow road for male civil rights.
"I have a dream today. That boys and girls will not be judged by their reproductive organs, but by the content of their character...."
The current misandrists are most of the guardian's personnel, people like Jessica Valenti, Amanda MArcotte, Adele Mercier, Jaclyn Friedan...
And now when you look on SRS - the Radical lot are fighting amongst themselves. It's lierally more like...
The EDL
Radical Gender Feminists, this may be uncomfortable for you to hear - but the original author of your ideology - Shulamith Firestone - was a paranoid schizophrenic with PTSD and daddy issues.. Please could you calm down, take a step back, and view the world with fresh eyes.
You rant against men. Take killallmen - would you want to kill your brother? Your father? Your husband?
Are we all that bad? really?
You are listening to a psychopath.
Please, for the sake of humanity, stop.
The MHRA's core are Equity Feminists. Listen to people like Christina Hoff-Sommers and Helen Smith. Listen rationally. Doesn't it make a bit of sense?
Love was twisted into hate. It doesn't need to be this way.
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Shipoffools.
Figures
Since I believe men and women are equal, I have to say they both would make appalling threads
I really do not think I could trust anyone who would actually name themselves shipoffools
Is the answer Fleetwood Mac?
In the interest of gender equality I would have to say that anyone with basic comprehension skils would have made a better thread.
Yes, living in the real world is so much better.
TLDR: it is a load of poo.