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NHS not a priority for the Tories and Cameron
The Tories have not including the NHS in their six key themes, despite saying in 2010 that it would be his "number one priority".
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/01/12/david-cameron-priorities_n_6454050.html?ncid=webmail1
To not include health, especially given recent events, is just poor.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/01/12/david-cameron-priorities_n_6454050.html?ncid=webmail1
To not include health, especially given recent events, is just poor.
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If you think Cameron hasn't got plans for either the NHS or immigration, prepare to be very badly mistaken...
Unlike Labour, they will not pretend that they own it or that they invented it.
nor will they claim to be the only party who cares for it.
the tories won't dare slash the sacred NHS. they ain't stupid. and labour will concentrate on the NHS up to the election, because they know they've lost the argument in all other areas.
http://www.itv.com/news/2015-01-12/itv-news-index-poll-reveals-the-nhs-is-now-the-top-concern-for-voters/
Why do people think Labour are so good on the NHS??, PFI, Staffs, bad cancer treatment??
Excuse me but you have got a cheek saying that as the NHS came into being under a Labour government so please for god sake before coming out with such a comment get your facts right, now your heroes run it down every time they get into power.
it's called "selective memory" syndrome.:D.
never mention the bad, only mention the good, only mention "labour cares: the evil tories don't", and if an interviewer points out mid staffs, welsh nhs crisis, just deflect and say "ah, but, what about the evil tories".
With Miliband, it's more a case of forgetting to mention it.
What is comical with these rinse and repeat threads that pop up every couple of days is that somehow the preferred party is a paragon of virtue, a shining beacon of light in the darkness, but the thread starter never mentions the failings they have presided over to give a balanced perspective. Take the Labour run NHS in Wales. That's a national scandal, but somehow gets overlooked by partisan posters.
The problem with Trust is that it cannot be bought or created with spin. But the situation is not hopeless! If they start now - and they truly mean it - they could have trust, maybe.......40 years from now.
What does trust bring?
Surely it is self explanatory. Labour can introduce private elements into the NHS.....and no one will think for a moment that the founding concepts of the NHS are under threat.
But when they Tories hand out private contracts......................to their "mates"........ (as we discover later).......well.......
A few things here:
1: PFI - Every time as I have said in another post the Tories get into power they run the NHS into the ground as happened under your beloved hero Thatcher and John Major, although he did not improve it overnight Tony Blair love him or hate him did turn it into a world class health service.
As I also said in another thread the thinking from Tony Blair was a good idea but sadly he did not put things into motion to prevent your beloved Tories getting in and exploiting the situation by deliberately letting the Private FATCATS who put money into PFI claiming the money back creating the situation we are in now with the NHS being in debt, the outcome will be Private FATCATS taking over vast parts of it which is what Cameron wants and the step after that will be charges being introduced.
2: Bad Cancer Treatment - That is a bit rich considering it has been announced that around 43 treatments will stop being funded from March this year by Scameron's FATCAT Private friends that are NHS England.
It would be like Jack the Ripper talking about womens rights.
We know Labour made mistakes with the NHS, but they genuinely wish it to continue.
I just don't get that feeling from the Conservatives at all.
The Tories feel this election will be decided on a question of economic competence.. not how well the NHS is being run. Labour want it to be about the NHS.. not how well the economy would be run when they're in power.
We'll see which issues are more important to voters. The NHS is loved dearly.. but unless you come into contact with it and have a bad experience.. it might be trumped by the economy come May 2015.
Also the Tories will probably feel that putting the NHS and Immigration as key priorities after 5 years of government would be a self admission of failure in these areas.
I'm sure the Labour front bench are right up to date with their private healthcare premiums, just the same as the Tories are.
Labour are just going for the heartstrings and trying to win voters with populist policies. Meanwhile, speeches are made that don't mention the deficit or the economy, but this is to be expected with a party that sees money as little better than water.
Any criticism of the Conservatives must instantly be countered by referring to Labour failures. No discussion of Conservative policies is therefore allowed.
The NHS was planned in detail by Churchill's Coalition government. Whoever won the 1945 election would have started the NHS.
You need to get your facts right.
Perhaps people have been learning from the Labour supporters on the forum - OHG and andykyn have made a living from doing that for years. ;-)
Politically it's a clever move by Cameron.
Keeping the political football firmly in Labour's half of the field demonstrates how keen Labour are to weaponize the NHS . Labour want to make it a single issue election and the NHS is the only front they have a chance of winning a fight on. Not because their handling of it stands head and shoulders above everyone else's, but because they know that if they repeat themselves often enough a significant number of people who don't really do politics will believe it to be true.
If you don't believe it's a time honoured tactic designed to sell the masses a pup I've got three letters for you...W...M... D or as comedian Rich Hall would say, if bullshitting doesn't work why do companies spend millions on advertising?
If Ed sticks with the NHS arguments for too long he'll look like he has weaponized it, if he strays into other arguments he's firmly in the crosshairs of everyone else's BMP (bullshit of mass persuasion)
That unfortunately, is politics. They all do it (Ed on Andrew Marr last Sunday being a good recent example).
Tactically one can only assume they've all got the same coach and he's told them to go out, keep one's powder dry and try and piss on everyone else's !!
While the Liberal Party and the Conservative Party quickly adopted Beveridge's proposals, the Labour Party was slow to follow. Labour leaders opposed Beveridge's idea of a National Health Service run through local health centres and regional hospital administrations, preferring a state-run body.