Scottish independence: let's have an honest debate (P3)

1373374376378379516

Comments

  • curmycurmy Posts: 4,725
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    One thing is for certain, and yes folk who think everything will be rosy if they win should take serious note. The economy of the whole UK will tank. I know that already many business decisions are on hold, which is why I've seen trade go very quiet in the last few weeks. Last Monday I was called to say the offer we'd made on a house before we left for holiday had been accepted. We've decided if we wake up to a Yes on Friday we will pull out. No time to leverage but to consolidate.

    There was an article in my Sunday paper saying how the property market in Scotland had gone very quiet, & how people who's jobs were in Glasgow , Edinburgh or anywhere else within driving distance of the border, were enquiring about moving house just over the border into England in the event of a Yes vote.
  • JenzenJenzen Posts: 7,364
    Forum Member
    You moved house because of the referendum....?

    I'm so sorry, that's awful...

    This is going to be unpopular but I think they should have stated at the outset that it would need to be at least 60% of the vote for the vote to be carried either way. To make it clear I mean 60% of the actual votes received, not 60% of the electorate registered to vote.

    Agree, it should have been a bigger majority. A close result is going cause problems either way it goes. I have received some abuse too, its worrying me for the future.
  • curmycurmy Posts: 4,725
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    There are plenty of Republicans in the SNP and Old Labour who have been keeping quiet about the Monarchy during the referendum campaign but if they do win this week that that will be Stage Two of their plan. Once Salmond has got bored of being Prime Minister he'll fancy being the First President of Scotland. Remember he was a leading Republican voice in the SNP wanting a "socialist and republican Scotland" until he realised it would suit his purposes better to cosy up the the Queen.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rty-1980s.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/79_Group

    There are a lot of people who either never knew about this, or are brushing it aside saying his past is irrelevant ,sorry, but I think Scotland are in for an unpleasant surprise if the Yes vote wins !
  • jjwalesjjwales Posts: 48,566
    Forum Member
    bhoy07 wrote: »
    It does when there is at least one senior minster who've in the past questioned the role as well.

    I don't suppose the Queen is that worried. There would need to be a referendum anyway before Scotland could become a republic. Assuming that the Yes vote wins first of course!
  • salsamegsalsameg Posts: 1,261
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    You moved house because of the referendum....?

    I'm so sorry, that's awful...

    This is going to be unpopular but I think they should have stated at the outset that it would need to be at least 60% of the vote for the vote to be carried either way. To make it clear I mean 60% of the actual votes received, not 60% of the electorate registered to vote.

    Hubby mainly, having watched friends become enemies once before, he couldn't face it again (as stated before, nothing like, he isn't being forced to take up arms this time and no bloodshed) but it has shaken him. House didn't go on the Market as we had an offer last year which we refused, so we contacted them and sold up earlier this year.
  • BrawladBrawlad Posts: 5,711
    Forum Member
    trevgo wrote: »
    One thing is for certain, and yes folk who think everything will be rosy if they win should take serious note. The economy of the whole UK will tank. I know that already many business decisions are on hold, which is why I've seen trade go very quiet in the last few weeks. Last Monday I was called to say the offer we'd made on a house before we left for holiday had been accepted. We've decided if we wake up to a Yes on Friday we will pull out. No time to leverage but to consolidate.

    All this we be at the behest of 3% of the population.

    That will not go without notice. Comeraderie will change into mass resentment very quickly. The fact that the New Scots will be suffering the most will be no consolation.

    I have noticed you peddling this line before. It is almost as if you a relishing a backlash against the Scots. Could be you are trying to stir up trouble. How did your Edinburgh break go by the way?
  • jjwalesjjwales Posts: 48,566
    Forum Member
    trevgo wrote: »
    One thing is for certain, and yes folk who think everything will be rosy if they win should take serious note. The economy of the whole UK will tank. I know that already many business decisions are on hold, which is why I've seen trade go very quiet in the last few weeks. Last Monday I was called to say the offer we'd made on a house before we left for holiday had been accepted. We've decided if we wake up to a Yes on Friday we will pull out. No time to leverage but to consolidate.

    All this we be at the behest of 3% of the population.
    Well, it's a rather larger proportion of the Scottish population who have made the referendum possible. We really shouldn't resent their right to determine their own future.
  • CelticMythCelticMyth Posts: 3,090
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    I certainly hope all the hatred and division this campaign has stirred up within the UK and within Scotland itself will be "worth it".

    Somehow I doubt it.
  • curmycurmy Posts: 4,725
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    salsameg wrote: »
    Hubby mainly, having watched friends become enemies once before, he couldn't face it again (as stated before, nothing like, he isn't being forced to take up arms this time and no bloodshed) but it has shaken him. House didn't go on the Market as we had an offer last year which we refused, so we contacted them and sold up earlier this year.

    It's very sad that you've had to move, but I really don't blame you in the light of what's going on at the moment.
  • delegate zerodelegate zero Posts: 2,632
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    why should anyone believe a word the BBC says?

    they can't even count.

    simply not a reliable source for anything.
  • Hit Em Up StyleHit Em Up Style Posts: 12,141
    Forum Member
    ✭✭
    Some poor guy in Glasgow has had his car tyres slashed because he had a NO sticker in the window!
  • blueisthecolourblueisthecolour Posts: 20,125
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    Does anyone know what the BBC's result coverage is going to actually entail? I was debating whether to take the Friday off work and watch it but the official document concerning the results said that they are all being announced together sometime after 7am.

    Do you think this is just something the BBC feels obliged to do or will there actually be anything of interest to report?
  • James2001James2001 Posts: 73,620
    Forum Member
    ✭✭
    Some poor guy in Glasgow has had his car tyres slashed because he had a NO sticker in the window!

    I wonder if these people seriously think this sort of thing will make them change their vote to Yes... if anything it will strengthen their resolve to vote No!
  • curmycurmy Posts: 4,725
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    I must say that the image of Glasgow & Scotland as a friendly place which was portrayed during the Commonwealth Games has taken rather a battering during this increasingly acrimonious campaign.
  • JT2060JT2060 Posts: 5,370
    Forum Member


    So Salmond says:-

    'Five and a quarter million people ceasing to be EU citizens against their will - this alternative, as Sir David Edward points out, is clearly absurd. But it is more than absurd. There is simply no legal basis in the EU treaties for any such proposition. And it is against the founding principles of the European Union.,'


    How can it be against their will if they vote to leave the UK?
  • saywhatyouseesaywhatyousee Posts: 787
    Forum Member
    ✭✭
    why should anyone believe a word the BBC says?

    they can't even count.

    simply not a reliable source for anything.

    Yeah, I agree....
  • LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,647
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    why should anyone believe a word the BBC says?

    they can't even count.

    simply not a reliable source for anything.

    Says the person who believes everything the SNP say.
  • Hit Em Up StyleHit Em Up Style Posts: 12,141
    Forum Member
    ✭✭
    why should anyone believe a word the BBC says?

    they can't even count.

    simply not a reliable source for anything.

    Yet if the BBC were saying Scotland would be in the EU. You would be the first person citing it as a source.
    James2001 wrote: »
    I wonder if these people seriously think this sort of thing will make them change their vote to Yes... if anything it will strengthen their resolve to vote No!

    Kay Burley said last week said several people came up to her on the street and asked why she was in Scotland as she was English. She said it on air. She returned to the London studio the next day. Be interesting to see if she goes back up this week but it obviously made her feel intimidated.
  • ElectraElectra Posts: 55,660
    Forum Member
    JT2060 wrote: »
    So Salmond says:-

    'Five and a quarter million people ceasing to be EU citizens against their will - this alternative, as Sir David Edward points out, is clearly absurd. But it is more than absurd. There is simply no legal basis in the EU treaties for any such proposition. And it is against the founding principles of the European Union.,'


    How can it be against their will if they vote to leave the UK?

    Didn't they realise it goes with the territory? The rUK will be the successor state, not Scotland.
  • LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,647
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    Kay Burley said last week said several people came up to her on the street and asked why she was in Scotland as she was English. She said it on air. She returned to the London studio the next day. Be interesting to see if she goes back up this week but it obviously made her feel intimidated.

    To be honest, if I saw Kay Burley on my street I'd tell her to go back to London. Nothing good ever happens when she is around.
  • tiggertinytiggertiny Posts: 5,361
    Forum Member
    MARTYM8 wrote: »
    The difference between patriotism and nationalism is pure semantics really. You either identify with the concept of nations or you don't.

    We get on perfectly well with the Irish - who as you put it ditched us.

    I'll stick with my patriotism you go with your nationalism - SNP, BNP, National Socialists. ;-)
  • onecitizenonecitizen Posts: 5,042
    Forum Member
    Some poor guy in Glasgow has had his car tyres slashed because he had a NO sticker in the window!

    Nationalism is an ugly thing, it brings out the worse in people and as we have seen it has, and will continue to do so, create division between people where none exisited before.
  • ElectraElectra Posts: 55,660
    Forum Member
    fermyn wrote: »
    It'll be interesting to see if there's a drop in bookings for coach tours up to Scotland next year.

    The Yorkshire Dales and the Lake District might seem like a much better option. ;-)
    Some poor guy in Glasgow has had his car tyres slashed because he had a NO sticker in the window!
    Yet if the BBC were saying Scotland would be in the EU. You would be the first person citing it as a source.



    Kay Burley said last week said several people came up to her on the street and asked why she was in Scotland as she was English. She said it on air. She returned to the London studio the next day. Be interesting to see if she goes back up this week but it obviously made her feel intimidated.

    If they're not careful, Salmond's Brown, sorry, Blue Shirts could end up tanking Scotland's tourist industry, even in the event of a No vote.
  • tiggertinytiggertiny Posts: 5,361
    Forum Member
    why should anyone believe a word the BBC says?

    they can't even count.

    simply not a reliable source for anything.

    Do you get your information from the bogus rev. in Somerset?

    A moderate source of impartial information if ever I saw one. ;-)
  • blueisthecolourblueisthecolour Posts: 20,125
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    onecitizen wrote: »
    Nationalism is an ugly thing, it brings out the worse in people and as we have seen it has, and will continue to do so, create division between people where none exisited before.

    I would say that the SNP are less nationalist than the Tories. They seem perfectly happy to be part of trans-national bodies such as the EU and reliant on a shared currency and head of state.
Sign In or Register to comment.