Yes & I suspect that, should Scotland vote for independence, the North of England may seek some sort of devolution. In fact, that may happen even if they vote No. Too many people are now just fed up with London hoovering up all the nation's wealth.
I agree that too much of Britain's wealth is reinvested back in to London at the detriment to the rest of the Union, but as far as the North is concerned, there is no infrastructure in place that would be able to build a 'northern independence' campaign. Scotland has been able to do it because it is a country with identity and political parties.
I actually think that it would be disastrous if the Scots vote 'yes', because I think it will be an over-reaction to Westminsters percieved London bias, with Salmond hyping up his 'injustices' just to boost his own ego and career. The sensible thing to do would be to remain in the Union and play a proper part in the democratic process of the UK, like the rest of us, instead of distracting from the real issues with this potentially very damaging independence rubbish. I'm English and I voted Tory. Salmond says Scotland didn't vote the Tories in. Well that's democracy. I didn't vote Labour, but we just had 13 years of their government - something the Scots did vote for and did get.
By far the best thing to come out of this would be a No vote, which reinforces the concept of the United Kingdom and ultimately further devolution to all regions of the UK, not just Scotland.
The democratic process that most feel disenfranchised from. Have been told they are a drain on resources, being subsidised by others.
Both sides of the debate are a leap into the unknown as there will be no such thing as the status quo. It's up to each individual to decide which way they think is best to jump.
I agree that too much of Britain's wealth is reinvested back in to London at the detriment to the rest of the Union, but as far as the North is concerned, there is no infrastructure in place that would be able to build a 'northern independence' campaign. Scotland has been able to do it because it is a country with identity and political parties.
I actually think that it would be disastrous if the Scots vote 'yes', because I think it will be an over-reaction to Westminsters percieved London bias, with Salmond hyping up his 'injustices' just to boost his own ego and career. The sensible thing to do would be to remain in the Union and play a proper part in the democratic process of the UK, like the rest of us, instead of distracting from the real issues with this potentially very damaging independence rubbish. I'm English and I voted Tory. Salmond says Scotland didn't vote the Tories in. Well that's democracy. I didn't vote Labour, but we just had 13 years of their government - something the Scots did vote for and did get.
By far the best thing to come out of this would be a No vote, which reinforces the concept of the United Kingdom and ultimately further devolution to all regions of the UK, not just Scotland.
This I agree with. We are all discontent. We need to work together to change society, we used to be able to protest and actually make changes. Solidarity is a word we can no longer spell never mind understand. Sad.
I agree that too much of Britain's wealth is reinvested back in to London at the detriment to the rest of the Union, but as far as the North is concerned, there is no infrastructure in place that would be able to build a 'northern independence' campaign. Scotland has been able to do it because it is a country with identity and political parties.
I actually think that it would be disastrous if the Scots vote 'yes', because I think it will be an over-reaction to Westminsters percieved London bias, with Salmond hyping up his 'injustices' just to boost his own ego and career. The sensible thing to do would be to remain in the Union and play a proper part in the democratic process of the UK, like the rest of us, instead of distracting from the real issues with this potentially very damaging independence rubbish. I'm English and I voted Tory. Salmond says Scotland didn't vote the Tories in. Well that's democracy. I didn't vote Labour, but we just had 13 years of their government - something the Scots did vote for and did get.
By far the best thing to come out of this would be a No vote, which reinforces the concept of the United Kingdom and ultimately further devolution to all regions of the UK, not just Scotland.
Scotland is a nation, nations get the governments they vote for. We no longer believe that tory rule is a price worth paying. You got a Labour government,aye, but not the Labour government that Scot's wanted.
Scotland is a nation, nations get the governments they vote for. We no longer believe that tory rule is a price worth paying. You got a Labour government,aye, but not the Labour government that Scot's wanted.
I didn't vote for the conservatives or the SNP . But these people are deciding my future.
Do I want a tartan Tory in bed with Rupert Murdoch and a public anti homosexual obnoxious arse deciding my future? No I don't. Emphatically.
Ed Miliband's had years to stamp some sort of authority over what leader he can be
Yet you see Kinnock on the local news (Neil's son) and he comes across more of a leader than Ed ever will.
Ed should have given labour voters enough confidence to trust him and realise without them labour wont ever be elected as a main political party again drawing them into seeing how important they are to the entire UK. Yet he cant even admit that
I wonder if it would have made any difference if David Milliband had been made leader of Labour ?
Scotland is a nation, nations get the governments they vote for. We no longer believe that tory rule is a price worth paying. You got a Labour government,aye, but not the Labour government that Scot's wanted.
Soon there'll be a sign up at the border saying " Welcome to the Socialist republic of Scotland " !
Scotland is a nation, nations get the governments they vote for. We no longer believe that tory rule is a price worth paying. You got a Labour government,aye, but not the Labour government that Scot's wanted.
Scotland as a nation is part of the country of the UK, and the UK voted in a Conservative government. There is no coincidence that this referendum is taking place while a Conservative government is in power - it is just another card for Salmond to play, and ignores previous GE results.
It is also annoying to see some people painting this purely as 'Team Scotland vs. Team Westminster' - the ultimate party politics, and completely removed from the day to day reality of Englishmen and Scotsmen serving together in our armed forces, major ship building supplying loads of jobs in Scotland, not to mention 100s of years of shared history etc etc...
Scotland as a nation is part of the country of the UK, and the UK voted in a Conservative government. There is no coincidence that this referendum is taking place while a Conservative government is in power - it is just another card for Salmond to play, and ignores previous GE results.
It is also annoying to see some people painting this purely as 'Team Scotland vs. Team Westminster' - the ultimate party politics, and completely removed from the day to day reality of Englishmen and Scotsmen serving together in our armed forces, major ship building supplying loads of jobs in Scotland, not to mention 100s of years of shared history etc etc...
Scotland as a nation is part of the country of the UK, and the UK voted in a Conservative government. There is no coincidence that this referendum is taking place while a Conservative government is in power - it is just another card for Salmond to play, and ignores previous GE results.
It is also annoying to see some people painting this purely as 'Team Scotland vs. Team Westminster' - the ultimate party politics, and completely removed from the day to day reality of Englishmen and Scotsmen serving together in our armed forces, major ship building supplying loads of jobs in Scotland, not to mention 100s of years of shared history etc etc...
it just has to be all about you, doesn't it?
nothing to do with the SNP getting a majority government in a parliament designed not to produce a majority
Scotland as a nation is part of the country of the UK, and the UK voted in a Conservative government. There is no coincidence that this referendum is taking place while a Conservative government is in power - it is just another card for Salmond to play, and ignores previous GE results.
It is also annoying to see some people painting this purely as 'Team Scotland vs. Team Westminster' - the ultimate party politics, and completely removed from the day to day reality of Englishmen and Scotsmen serving together in our armed forces, major ship building supplying loads of jobs in Scotland, not to mention 100s of years of shared history etc etc...
The UK didn't vote in a conservative government no party in the last election had overall majority. What we got was a conservative - liberal coalition.
Scotland as a nation is part of the country of the UK, and the UK voted in a Conservative government. There is no coincidence that this referendum is taking place while a Conservative government is in power - it is just another card for Salmond to play, and ignores previous GE results.
It is also annoying to see some people painting this purely as 'Team Scotland vs. Team Westminster' - the ultimate party politics, and completely removed from the day to day reality of Englishmen and Scotsmen serving together in our armed forces, major ship building supplying loads of jobs in Scotland, not to mention 100s of years of shared history etc etc...
Agree....people are being like that up here as well, if your a no voter your a traitor, I was told today I was not fit to sing the national anthem. If course the guy meant Flower of Scotland which is often used as an unofficial anthem not the national anthem. I could have corrected him, but as I said to others you can't argue with stupid.
It suits Salmond to blame the Tories for ever ill known to man, as he taps into to the perceived hatred of them here. My area used to be totally Tory before the SNP gained power in the mid to late 80s so there would still be a lot of Tory voters here, but generally of course they are far more hated than labour which is why he says it over and over and over again, to the point that all the yes folk say, it the activists say it....they don't say "if you want to get away from the UK Government, they say if you want rid of the Tories or if you don't want any Tory rule or a Tory free Scotland....why don't the say labour occasionally as you say there have been other parties in power. He won't though as he knows by constant repeat repeat repeat he is hammering away at folk believing that a good reason to vote yes is to get rid of the Tories. God forbid it might be because you were concerned about your financial future or that of your kids....nah Tories Tories Tories, or Westminster Westminster Westminster and of course the favourite at the moment scaremongering scaremongering scaremongering, I truly detest how that man has brainwashed so many....and causing the division, now in Scotland. Yes I know he is not the head of yes Scotland, yes I know he might not always be the head of the Scottish government, but at the moment he is and has been at the forefront of the campaign and is totally responsible for much of it,
Your right he is forgetting any history, but again that's because if he was to say, how great we all work together especially in past wars etc, that's then following the better together line, and also would be reminding people about how we have so much in common and close bonds. He can't say that as then it might make some say hang on a minute I don't want an Independent Scotland...so it's Tory Tory Tory.
Pathetic and predictable, but I will say very clever given how so many buy this nonsense. I heard some people on TV tonight saying tonight they were angry that The Yes side had hijacked the saltire, by putting yes on it, one guy said it's my flag too, I'm a no voter and I love my country too. Dreading Thursday to be honest :(
The democratic process that most feel disenfranchised from. Have been told they are a drain on resources, being subsidised by others.
Both sides of the debate are a leap into the unknown as there will be no such thing as the status quo. It's up to each individual to decide which way they think is best to jump.
Okay things will change within the current status quo (they always do), but one is a much bigger leap into the unknown. The risk mostly lies with a YES vote and if you want to vote for it, because you believe the rewards will be greater (not just financial) fine, but the risks are in no way the same.
You mean just like Nick Clegg and his signed pledge to oppose tuition fees?
Very similar.... Nick Clegg couldn't deliver as they were the minority party in a coalition and Salmond can't offer any guarantees, because the sovereign will of the much larger rUK.
yes the key problem Cameron faces it was the way they introduced the cuts.
There was almost orgasmic delight when they started. "in it together" then they gave the mega wealthy a nice tax cut. At the time they thought a no vote was a dead cert Its no coincidence IDS has vanished off the face of the earth again.
The tories are so Toxic and labours leader so weak its created the perfect atmosphere for the YES vote. Austerity when they did that tax cut and they wonder why people are seriously thinking about leaving the UK.
Are you a politician?
Couple of paragraphs of waffle without any kind of answer to the three questions asked.
Interestingly. Two men were interviewed on the news. Said they were voting YES but knew full well that if they wake up to a YES win on Friday it would be like ''what have we done!''
So it seems some are having doubts and are aware things won't be the rosey garden Salmond has predicted but are still voting YES regardless. So its on their own heads when it goes tits up.
Confidential papers passed to the BBC suggest a radical cost-saving plan will be implemented in the Scottish NHS after the referendum.
"They suggest the NHS is facing a £400m funding gap, and sweeping changes will be needed for boards to break even."
"The papers were passed to the BBC and The Herald by a senior NHS whistleblower, who said they had become frustrated by the argument of the "Yes" campaign that the biggest threat to the NHS comes from the UK government."
Someone on the radio did make a good point the other day regarding so called negotiations.
What would Alex Salmond do when he shows up at Westminster with his list of demands and Westminster said No to everything? I know Salmond would start blabbering about the 'sovereign will of the people' or something but for 1 second here, If Westminster said No to everything. Does he even have a backup plan? He'd sit there twiddling his fingers.
Confidential papers passed to the BBC suggest a radical cost-saving plan will be implemented in the Scottish NHS after the referendum.
"They suggest the NHS is facing a £400m funding gap, and sweeping changes will be needed for boards to break even."
"The papers were passed to the BBC and The Herald by a senior NHS whistleblower, who said they had become frustrated by the argument of the "Yes" campaign that the biggest threat to the NHS comes from the UK government."
So the BBC, The Herald and Scottish Government are resorting to scaremongering over funding the NHS.
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But their party leader has just signed this pledge.
I agree that too much of Britain's wealth is reinvested back in to London at the detriment to the rest of the Union, but as far as the North is concerned, there is no infrastructure in place that would be able to build a 'northern independence' campaign. Scotland has been able to do it because it is a country with identity and political parties.
I actually think that it would be disastrous if the Scots vote 'yes', because I think it will be an over-reaction to Westminsters percieved London bias, with Salmond hyping up his 'injustices' just to boost his own ego and career. The sensible thing to do would be to remain in the Union and play a proper part in the democratic process of the UK, like the rest of us, instead of distracting from the real issues with this potentially very damaging independence rubbish. I'm English and I voted Tory. Salmond says Scotland didn't vote the Tories in. Well that's democracy. I didn't vote Labour, but we just had 13 years of their government - something the Scots did vote for and did get.
By far the best thing to come out of this would be a No vote, which reinforces the concept of the United Kingdom and ultimately further devolution to all regions of the UK, not just Scotland.
Both sides of the debate are a leap into the unknown as there will be no such thing as the status quo. It's up to each individual to decide which way they think is best to jump.
This I agree with. We are all discontent. We need to work together to change society, we used to be able to protest and actually make changes. Solidarity is a word we can no longer spell never mind understand. Sad.
https://twitter.com/GenYes2014/status/511631385099264000/photo/1
I didn't vote for the conservatives or the SNP . But these people are deciding my future.
Do I want a tartan Tory in bed with Rupert Murdoch and a public anti homosexual obnoxious arse deciding my future? No I don't. Emphatically.
I wonder if it would have made any difference if David Milliband had been made leader of Labour ?
Soon there'll be a sign up at the border saying " Welcome to the Socialist republic of Scotland " !
Scotland as a nation is part of the country of the UK, and the UK voted in a Conservative government. There is no coincidence that this referendum is taking place while a Conservative government is in power - it is just another card for Salmond to play, and ignores previous GE results.
It is also annoying to see some people painting this purely as 'Team Scotland vs. Team Westminster' - the ultimate party politics, and completely removed from the day to day reality of Englishmen and Scotsmen serving together in our armed forces, major ship building supplying loads of jobs in Scotland, not to mention 100s of years of shared history etc etc...
Exactly !
it just has to be all about you, doesn't it?
nothing to do with the SNP getting a majority government in a parliament designed not to produce a majority
The UK didn't vote in a conservative government no party in the last election had overall majority. What we got was a conservative - liberal coalition.
Agree....people are being like that up here as well, if your a no voter your a traitor, I was told today I was not fit to sing the national anthem. If course the guy meant Flower of Scotland which is often used as an unofficial anthem not the national anthem. I could have corrected him, but as I said to others you can't argue with stupid.
It suits Salmond to blame the Tories for ever ill known to man, as he taps into to the perceived hatred of them here. My area used to be totally Tory before the SNP gained power in the mid to late 80s so there would still be a lot of Tory voters here, but generally of course they are far more hated than labour which is why he says it over and over and over again, to the point that all the yes folk say, it the activists say it....they don't say "if you want to get away from the UK Government, they say if you want rid of the Tories or if you don't want any Tory rule or a Tory free Scotland....why don't the say labour occasionally as you say there have been other parties in power. He won't though as he knows by constant repeat repeat repeat he is hammering away at folk believing that a good reason to vote yes is to get rid of the Tories. God forbid it might be because you were concerned about your financial future or that of your kids....nah Tories Tories Tories, or Westminster Westminster Westminster and of course the favourite at the moment scaremongering scaremongering scaremongering, I truly detest how that man has brainwashed so many....and causing the division, now in Scotland. Yes I know he is not the head of yes Scotland, yes I know he might not always be the head of the Scottish government, but at the moment he is and has been at the forefront of the campaign and is totally responsible for much of it,
Your right he is forgetting any history, but again that's because if he was to say, how great we all work together especially in past wars etc, that's then following the better together line, and also would be reminding people about how we have so much in common and close bonds. He can't say that as then it might make some say hang on a minute I don't want an Independent Scotland...so it's Tory Tory Tory.
Pathetic and predictable, but I will say very clever given how so many buy this nonsense. I heard some people on TV tonight saying tonight they were angry that The Yes side had hijacked the saltire, by putting yes on it, one guy said it's my flag too, I'm a no voter and I love my country too. Dreading Thursday to be honest
Okay things will change within the current status quo (they always do), but one is a much bigger leap into the unknown. The risk mostly lies with a YES vote and if you want to vote for it, because you believe the rewards will be greater (not just financial) fine, but the risks are in no way the same.
Very similar.... Nick Clegg couldn't deliver as they were the minority party in a coalition and Salmond can't offer any guarantees, because the sovereign will of the much larger rUK.
Are you a politician?
Couple of paragraphs of waffle without any kind of answer to the three questions asked.
So it seems some are having doubts and are aware things won't be the rosey garden Salmond has predicted but are still voting YES regardless. So its on their own heads when it goes tits up.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29213416
Confidential papers passed to the BBC suggest a radical cost-saving plan will be implemented in the Scottish NHS after the referendum.
"They suggest the NHS is facing a £400m funding gap, and sweeping changes will be needed for boards to break even."
"The papers were passed to the BBC and The Herald by a senior NHS whistleblower, who said they had become frustrated by the argument of the "Yes" campaign that the biggest threat to the NHS comes from the UK government."
I've posted this before but it's one person's idea of how the negotiations will go:
http://www.mike-anthony.info/2014/politics/scottish-independence-after-yes/
lol Cheered me up reading that this morning
http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/herald-view/once-in-a-lifetime-opportunity-to-cast-a-future-that-meets-the-aspirations-of-sc.25295912
If this is true, then there will need to be a full investigation.
So the BBC, The Herald and Scottish Government are resorting to scaremongering over funding the NHS.
Oh.....