Cameron is an inept idiot.

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He has known for years that Bulgarian and Romanians will be flooding in very soon but he panics 4 weeks before they start to arrive..why did he not raise these issues years ago, the bloke is completely inept.
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 321
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    will_bun wrote: »
    He has known for years that Bulgarian and Romanians will be flooding in very soon but he panics 4 weeks before they start to arrive..why did he nit raise these issues years ago, the bloke is completely inept.

    So he can scream 'were all doomed', panic people and make them think he is right. Daily Mail tactics.
  • paul2307paul2307 Posts: 8,079
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    Old Lefty wrote: »
    So he can scream 'were all doomed', panic people and make them think he is right. Daily Mail tactics.

    Or he could have just pretended it wasn't happening like Blair did with the Poles and then call anyone racist when they question him about it :rolleyes:
  • LyricalisLyricalis Posts: 57,958
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    He can say he tried to do something, but the EU prevented him from acting. In the meantime, businesses in the UK get another influx of cheap labour.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 257
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    Old Lefty wrote: »
    So he can scream 'were all doomed', panic people and make them think he is right. Daily Mail tactics.

    20 odd million of them are coming here to claim benefits
  • paul2307paul2307 Posts: 8,079
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    Lyricalis wrote: »
    He can say he tried to do something, but the EU prevented him from acting. In the meantime, businesses in the UK get another influx of cheap labour.

    They don't need an influx they can just send the jobs abroad like N-Power have just done today with 1,400 call centre jobs
  • LyricalisLyricalis Posts: 57,958
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    paul2307 wrote: »
    They don't need an influx they can just send the jobs abroad like N-Power have just done today with 950 call centre jobs

    Of course they do. There are still plenty of jobs that can't be moved abroad.
  • RaferRafer Posts: 14,231
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    He want them here like the good European he is. But he's walking a very fine line. On one side he has to appease the EU and big business who benefit from uncontrolled immigration. On the otherside. He has UKIP biting at his heels. He knows that the public (xenophobic racist bigots) have had enough of the problems uncontrolled immigration brings and he's facing an election in the near future.
    The plan is to have his cake and eat it. He proposes something that looks good on paper but is absolutely useless in reality. Then when it doesn't work. He turns around and says" at least I tried. That's more that Labour did".
  • paul2307paul2307 Posts: 8,079
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    Lyricalis wrote: »
    Of course they do. There are still plenty of jobs that can't be moved abroad.

    Got the figure wrong first time :o

    Theres already millions unemployed here we don't need any more coming in
  • LyricalisLyricalis Posts: 57,958
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    paul2307 wrote: »
    Got the figure wrong first time :o

    Theres already millions unemployed here we don't need any more coming in

    That's not relevant to our government. They will let in cheap labour who are willing to take the jobs that locals refuse to take at those wages.
  • RaferRafer Posts: 14,231
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    Lyricalis wrote: »
    That's not relevant to our government. They will let in cheap labour who are willing to take the jobs that locals refuse to take at those wages.

    It wouldn't be at those wages if there were fewer in the labour market. Less workers, higher wages and better conditions because the incentive is on employers to retain staff.
    More workers. Lower wages and poorer condition because if the worker doesn't want to work there. There's plenty more who will.
  • the sandmanthe sandman Posts: 621
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    They all are.
  • oathyoathy Posts: 32,629
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    His only saviour is Daily Mail/Express who seem to think anything can be done.
    My heart sinks when people believe what he says on so many subjects the guy started his working life in the media/PR and that's all he can deliver with no problem grade A BS.

    It also highlights the weakness of UKIP they cant expose how many times he has promised some dramatic Uturn with the EU and walks away with nothing.
    I just hope I will still be around to see the Libdems totally wiped from the electoral map in 2015
    and watch them implode as they try and backtrack on the fact they sold everyone out who voted for them.

    "We did it for the good of the country" no you bloody didn't you did it for a grasp at power no matter what the cost to the people most affected and to the principals you put on hold because it suited Nick Clegg and Beaker.
  • jack_kerouacjack_kerouac Posts: 2,865
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    Yet another Tory policy on the hoof.

    Never thought through and will U Turn soon.

    Cameron proving again he is all " Fart and no follow through "

    He is sussed now.

    Even Europeans have him down as a Nasty Party man
  • Mr JonMr Jon Posts: 535
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    Yet another Tory policy on the hoof.

    Never thought through and will U Turn soon.

    Cameron proving again he is all " Fart and no follow through "

    He is sussed now.

    Even Europeans have him down as a Nasty Party man

    Surely that's a good thing, no? :confused:
    I'd hate to be standing down wind of you...
  • jack_kerouacjack_kerouac Posts: 2,865
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    all fart and no follow through = he produces nothing, but makes a lot of noise.
  • AneechikAneechik Posts: 20,208
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    He doesn't actually want to do anything about it, is the obvious answer.
  • niceguy1966niceguy1966 Posts: 29,560
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    Aneechik wrote: »
    He doesn't actually want to do anything about it, is the obvious answer.

    Agreed.

    He is only talking about it because the polls tell him he should. He is very happy with cheap labour keeping costs down for his big corporate chums.
  • Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    Doesn't it depend on what Dave was intending - if it's to rouse the rabble (ie the DM) and then a few months down the line shed crocodile tears about how the nasty EU won't let him do anything, then "mission accomplished"
  • MajlisMajlis Posts: 31,362
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    Lyricalis wrote: »
    That's not relevant to our government. They will let in cheap labour who are willing to take the jobs that locals refuse to take at those wages.

    Indeed - which is why it is incredibly surprising that the Unions are in favour of so much cheap labour coming into the country - who are they supposed to be representing? :confused:
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    will_bun wrote: »
    He has known for years that Bulgarian and Romanians will be flooding in very soon but he panics 4 weeks before they start to arrive..why did he not raise these issues years ago, the bloke is completely inept.

    Its everything to do with timing, its politically convenient to bring the topic up now for him, it shows that something is being "acted apon" (even though, most of his reform is fabricated, it exists in the present system already, any modifications have to go through the EU, setting things up for a confrontation down the road), it also distracts joe public from other issues
  • tony321tony321 Posts: 10,594
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    It is just another PR soundbite as is fitting from having an ex PR man as the Prime Minister, it is worthless gesture politics
  • paulschapmanpaulschapman Posts: 35,536
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    paul2307 wrote: »
    They don't need an influx they can just send the jobs abroad like N-Power have just done today with 1,400 call centre jobs

    In most cases it does not work - you get cheaper heads but then you pay for more of them. Wage differentials are not as much as they were, you pay for an extra layer of management. There is a high turnover of staff, leading to the use of scripts to answer the phone - many of which will not cover the customers problem.

    I did a paper on this a few years ago
  • gummy mummygummy mummy Posts: 26,600
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    Majlis wrote: »
    Indeed - which is why it is incredibly surprising that the Unions are in favour of so much cheap labour coming into the country - who are they supposed to be representing? :confused:

    I didn't know that, it does seem quite strange.

    Which unions are they ?
  • paulschapmanpaulschapman Posts: 35,536
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    will_bun wrote: »
    He has known for years that Bulgarian and Romanians will be flooding in very soon but he panics 4 weeks before they start to arrive..why did he not raise these issues years ago, the bloke is completely inept.
    Cameron proving again he is all " Fart and no follow through "

    Is this the quality of debate from the left?

    It is a principle of the EU that any person should be able to work in any state. It is therefore not a case of waving some wand to stop it. As it is Cameron is leading on this issue - the German Coalition agreement includes similar proposals - because like the UK they to are concerned for an influx due to the differentials between the German and Romanian economies.
  • AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,469
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    Is this the quality of debate from the left?

    It is a principle of the EU that any person should be able to work in any state. It is therefore not a case of waving some wand to stop it. As it is Cameron is leading on this issue - the German Coalition agreement includes similar proposals - because like the UK they to are concerned for an influx due to the differentials between the German and Romanian economies.

    Sadly it is.

    The right to work across is admirable. The right to move as an unskilled mass to the country with the biggest benefits is not.
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