Ukraine sinking into disaster. Will they come over here?

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  • jenziejenzie Posts: 20,821
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    yanokovic is such a ******* COWARD!

    yapping on about the same old crap
    now it's a COUP

    throwing his toys out of this damn pram!!!

    stay in the hole your crawled out of you spineless little turd!
  • northantsgirlnorthantsgirl Posts: 4,663
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    Blockz99 wrote: »
    Putin wins ...Russia will get the East of Ukraine and the important Crimea as client states within 18 months . Unless the weak willed EU stand up to the Kremlin Kleptocractic state expect the same fate for Molodva and Georgia and other ex soviet sates.

    Putin wants the whole of Ukraine in Russias orbit. To lose Kyiv in particular would be a terrible loss for him.
  • snukrsnukr Posts: 19,582
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    Yanukovich has been impeached, he's still refusing to resign though.

    There will be parliamentry elections on 25th May.
  • Parker45Parker45 Posts: 5,849
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    Palafrugel wrote: »
    100% guaranteed. Also the EU will fast track them. What seemed 'extremely difficult' for Scotland will become simple for war torn Ukraine.

    Limited fighting in Kiev's main square becomes "war torn Ukraine"?
  • snukrsnukr Posts: 19,582
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    valkay wrote: »
    Not according to my Ukrainian friend, also western Catholics hate the eastern Russian Orthodox. Her father fought in the German army against Russia as did many Ukrainians.

    You must have heard her wrong then, that's not how they say it in Ukraine, in Western Ukraine they call it Lviv not Lvov, that's the Russian name for it.

    I'm also half Ukrainian.
  • PalafrugelPalafrugel Posts: 2,219
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    Parker45 wrote: »
    Limited fighting in Kiev's main square becomes "war torn Ukraine"?

    Compared to the streets of Edinbrough? Kiev is apocalyptic and on the verge politically. Watch them breeze into the EU - something Barosso said would be 'extremely difficult' for Scotland to do! :D
  • snukrsnukr Posts: 19,582
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    Yulia Tymoshenko has been released, she is now in Kyiv where she will give a speech to the protestors.
  • Fappy_McFapperFappy_McFapper Posts: 1,302
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    And Yanukovych has been blocked from bolting over the border like the cowardly rat that he is.
  • MARTYM8MARTYM8 Posts: 44,710
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    Palafrugel wrote: »
    Compared to the streets of Edinbrough? Kiev is apocalyptic and on the verge politically. Watch them breeze into the EU - something Barosso said would be 'extremely difficult' for Scotland to do! :D


    Well the EU is very good at undermining democratically elected governments when it wants to and installing puppets in their place. So Salmond might be next!
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,495
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    MARTYM8 wrote: »
    As you say - despite the story we are being given here this amounts to a de facto coup. I am no fan of Mr Yanukovych but he was democratically elected and still has a year or more of his term to go.

    It will be interesting to see how Putin reacts to this - Ukraine is basically bankrupt and relies on Russian aid/money to keep going. I for one don't want to see EU money (i.e. our money) going to prop up Ukraine if Russia withdraws its cash.

    It could become quite serious if the East and South of the Ukraine ask for Russian assistance in countering the rioters in Kiev and Western Ukraine.
    Doubt if the pro Russian parts of the country will accept somebody like Julie Tymoshenko as leader as she is just as corrupt as the current president.
    Looks like another basket case is on its way to raid the UK treasury, and all because the US wants to limit Russian power.
    Same happened with countries like the Baltic States being allowed to access the EU too quickly with the added consequences of very cheap labour flooding and undercutting existing member states work forces.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,495
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    snukr wrote: »
    Yanukovich has been impeached, he's still refusing to resign though.

    There will be parliamentry elections on 25th May.

    Would you like to see Cameron resign if a group of armed rioters took over London?

    No difference in either, both Cameron and Yanukovich democratically elected in 2010 although the former couldn't even get an outright majority and hence the UK population is saddled with policies most of them didn't vote for...
  • johnny_boi_UKjohnny_boi_UK Posts: 3,761
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    snukr wrote: »
    Yulia Tymoshenko has been released, she is now in Kyiv where she will give a speech to the protestors.

    I'm guessing she will be one of the favourites become the president?
  • MARTYM8MARTYM8 Posts: 44,710
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    I'm guessing she will be one of the favourites become the president?

    It wouldn't surprise me if she does win - after all her people will be counting the votes this time.

    In Ukraine its not votes that count but who counts the votes!:D
  • HotgossipHotgossip Posts: 22,385
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    Just been looking at the pics of all the luxuries, follies and grounds at the Presidents home. Not really that much different from this country's royal estates.
  • snukrsnukr Posts: 19,582
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    It could become quite serious if the East and South of the Ukraine ask for Russian assistance in countering the rioters in Kiev and Western Ukraine.
    Doubt if the pro Russian parts of the country will accept somebody like Julie Tymoshenko as leader as she is just as corrupt as the current president.
    Looks like another basket case is on its way to raid the UK treasury, and all because the US wants to limit Russian power.
    Same happened with countries like the Baltic States being allowed to access the EU too quickly with the added consequences of very cheap labour flooding and undercutting existing member states work forces.
    The riots are over, the demonstrators got what they wanted, Yanukovich out of office.
    What happened is because of Ukrainian people, not the US, they don't want to be controlled by Russia.
    The rest of your post is nonsense.
  • snukrsnukr Posts: 19,582
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    Would you like to see Cameron resign if a group of armed rioters took over London?

    No difference in either, both Cameron and Yanukovich democratically elected in 2010 although the former couldn't even get an outright majority and hence the UK population is saddled with policies most of them didn't vote for...
    The circumstances which led to the riots in Ukraine would never happen in the UK, Yanukovich himself is to blame for what happened, because of his stupidity, he lit the match which started the riots.
  • snukrsnukr Posts: 19,582
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    I'm guessing she will be one of the favourites become the president?
    Yes she probably will win.
  • MARTYM8MARTYM8 Posts: 44,710
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    Hotgossip wrote: »
    Just been looking at the pics of all the luxuries, follies and grounds at the Presidents home. Not really that much different from this country's royal estates.

    Tony Blair has about 8 houses now - funded from the profits arising from his time as PM. He was responsible for far more deaths than the Ukrainian President.

    Also have you seen Chequers - where Cameron gets to spend his weekends!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chequers
  • HotgossipHotgossip Posts: 22,385
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    MARTYM8 wrote: »
    Tony Blair has about 8 houses now - funded from the profits arising from his time as PM. He was responsible for far more deaths than the Ukrainian President.

    Also have you seen Chequers - where Cameron gets to spend his weekends!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chequers

    I know. Same as John Major he had a massive country house up here but I believe he's sold it now. If the general public went in there I'm sure they'd have a similar reaction to the ukraines.
  • northantsgirlnorthantsgirl Posts: 4,663
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    Hotgossip wrote: »
    Just been looking at the pics of all the luxuries, follies and grounds at the Presidents home. Not really that much different from this country's royal estates.

    Although to be fair they've been rooking us for centuries, he has only been doing it for a few years.
  • SouthernerSoutherner Posts: 531
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    Will Ukraine be split into two with the western part remaining as a slimmed down Ukraine in the EU with the eastern part absorbed into Russia?

    If this uncertainty continues then the Russians may possibly invade from the east with French & German forces, on behalf of EU and US backing, moving in from west leading to a "new Cold War" confrontation also building a new physical border in between as seen with West/East Germany.

    Then the UK may see refugees from eastern Ukraine escaping Russian oppression as western Ukrainians will be in the EU so will have a right to come here unless the UK leaves the EU.
  • Speak-SoftlySpeak-Softly Posts: 24,737
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    The EU should back off.

    Make it clear that until the internal problems are resolved in a way that suits all the people of the country, membership is a no no.

    And if that means that half the country don't want closer ties with western europe, so be it. It is their country as well.

    Heard a protester talking about wanting freedom, as if that can be handed to them on a plate by the EU.
    No love, you have to earn it.
  • GreatGodPanGreatGodPan Posts: 53,186
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    valkay wrote: »
    Not according to my Ukrainian friend, also western Catholics hate the eastern Russian Orthodox. Her father fought in the German army against Russia as did many Ukrainians.

    A fair few did - much to their eternal shame.

    It must be pointed out however that the majority joined the Red Army and fought the Nazis.
  • HotgossipHotgossip Posts: 22,385
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    Although to be fair they've been rooking us for centuries, he has only been doing it for a few years.

    :D:D:D
  • valkayvalkay Posts: 15,726
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    A fair few did - much to their eternal shame.

    It must be pointed out however that the majority joined the Red Army and fought the Nazis.

    It's understandable why they hated the Russians, considering that Stalin deliberately left millions of Ukrainian peasants to starve to death.
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