If I was a producer I would have partnered him with Caroline. I said this before I saw them on the launch show but that only followed to confirm they had chemistry and danced well together. I just thought it would be interesting to give Anton and young contender so he had no place to hide. I like Judy but partnering her with Anton seems a rather tired decision.
I agree. He deserves to get someone with some ability for once and Caroline and he seemed to have good chemistry when partnered in the launch group dance. Judy has absolutely no musicality or rhythm, so as per usual, Anton will get blamed for her poor Latin when, in truth, there's not much anyone could do.
The celebs really ought to be auditioned in terms of musicality and movement. Unless of course they are hired in the knowledge of them being hopeless with a view to being early round fodder.
I wish Anton would just take on the task in hand, and teach the celeb to dance. Stop trying to be a comedian and be a professional dancer. Of course there has to be an element of fun added, the celeb for sure probably wouldn;t like the intensity of practice otherwise. I hope he is a little more serious with Judy, and works hard with her.
If I was a Celeb & got partnered with Anton, first thoughts that would go through my mind is that the Producers don't rate me as a potential dancer & I don't stand a chance winning this year.
If I was a Celeb & got partnered with Anton, first thoughts that would go through my mind is that the Producers don't rate me as a potential dancer & I don't stand a chance winning this year.
I agree. Lets hope that Judy can go someway to prove them wrong.
Judy says she can't dance. Judy's son Andy doesn't seem to think she can dance. Some people seem to think Judy will do well in terms of personality.
On that basis, Anton is the correct partner - he's clearly better at ad lib comedy than any other pro on the show - including Brucie.
As long as you can understand and apply instructions, can hear timing, I believe anyone can be taught to dance in its basic form. Anything else is a bonus.
I agree. He deserves to get someone with some ability for once and Caroline and he seemed to have good chemistry when partnered in the launch group dance. Judy has absolutely no musicality or rhythm, so as per usual, Anton will get blamed for her poor Latin when, in truth, there's not much anyone could do.
Oh that is disappointing. I had high hopes for Judy. I was hoping she would be a Gabby Roslin type. She should have the strength, tone, stamina and determination, so I am sorry to hear she is musically challenged. Do we know this for certain or is this based on the group dance? Because it looked to me that she forgot her steps in that and rather than miss a few and pick up with the music she tried to still fit them in.
As long as you can understand and apply instructions, can hear timing, I believe anyone can be taught to dance in its basic form. Anything else is a bonus.
I agree. if you can walk you can dance. We all have rhythm, we just forget how to use it but can re-learn. The hard thing to learn I think is a sort of grace. Some of our students after years still seem to plod. No matter what you say to them its in one ear and out of the other and they always look cumbersome.
When I first danced salsa I couldn't hear or identify the first beat in the bar if it had a big red cross on it. Now I can't not hear it.
I agree. if you can walk you can dance. We all have rhythm, we just forget how to use it but can re-learn. The hard thing to learn I think is a sort of grace. Some of our students after years still seem to plod. No matter what you say to them its in one ear and out of the other and they always look cumbersome.
When I first danced salsa I couldn't hear or identify the first beat in the bar if it had a big red cross on it. Now I can't not hear it.
I know what you mean ! I've never had a problem with hearing the different timings to all the dances ( ballroom 10 dance) but I can see so many lower grade/beginners do. Agonising seeing them at comps dancing off time and they don't realise it.
As long as you can understand and apply instructions, can hear timing, I believe anyone can be taught to dance in its basic form. Anything else is a bonus.
Many previous celebs on Strictly would seem to disprove that theory, starting with Christopher Parker and if finishing with Tony Jacklin last year
Poor old Tony had trouble standing upright at times last year let alone moving with any sort of grace or musicality.
I think it is,like a tone deafness for dance, the sad thing is that some people can't even see that they are not moving gracefully or in time to the music.
Many previous celebs on Strictly would seem to disprove that theory, starting with Christopher Parker and if finishing with Tony Jacklin last year
Poor old Tony had trouble standing upright at times last year let alone moving with any sort of grace or musicality.
I think it is,like a tone deafness for dance, the sad thing is that some people can't even see that they are not moving gracefully or in time to the music.
Your last few words state exactly what I have in my post....ie you have to hear timing.
I said that if you can apply what you are told, and hear timing, you can be taught to dance in its basic form. In my book, dancing is just moving on time to music. The technique, body styling, whether or not you have body rhythm, isolation and whether you are graceful is another matter, ie a bonus. If you can learn steps and hear timing you can be taught to dance - moving to music with recognisable steps.
I've resigned myself to Anton never getting a contender now and no doubt he has too.
He's a sensible guy and will enjoy his time on the show with Judy. He's into sport big time, so knowing somebody like Judy my get him some decent tickets for games!
I think Judy and Anton could be one of the first couples out because she has no fan base and judging by that group dance, no natural talent for dancing or performing.
If I were a celeb and got partnered with Anton I'd think, "At least I'll have a laugh."
I got the impression that there were other choreographers who could step in when the pro didn't have expertise in a particular dance (like the Charleston last year,)
Of course, I'm a woman of a certain age, and I'd know that I had no real chance of winning, or even getting to the final.
I know that Judy will give it her best, because she's competitive. I'd like to see her last longer than some of the others. She may not be my first thought when it comes to someone who is a celebrity, but at least (as a non-tennis fan) I'd heard of her - unlike the soap opera/reality folk.
Tim and Greg are the most famous contestants from my point of view!
I agree Buddy. (By the way, hi, hope you are well). I think Anton has adapted to 'his role' on the show but I would like him to have someone with whom he could turn in a stunning ballroom routine at least, but I doubt it will be Judy. I was thinking about early exits and I think it could be them since Judy isn't eccentric enough (well not at all) to win the underdog vote. (Suspect Ola and Steve too. )
You know, she's not someone I particularly like, but I thought Anton did a pretty good dance with Katy Brand in the Christmas Special. It was a light-hearted routine but not reliant on comedy and she didn't dance it too badly at all. He didn't rely on the 'fun-funnity' angle usually given to larger contestants. I think this proves that he can take things seriously and improve a non-contender. The trouble is non-contenders are usually either non-dancers, non-performers or nervous-wrecks, but Anton tends to get shoved with someone who is two or all three of those things. Given a confident performer like Katy he could progress in the competition without making her into a joke-contestant.
Thank you everyone on this thread
The word Anton stopped me reading it before, stupidly, but it's a wonderful discussion. Can't add anything, I'm afraid, but love reading about the relationship between hearing music and dancing. I remember last year on this forum a discussion about walking and dance, just that very basic rhythm...
I also thought Caroline would be good for Anton, chachachavvy, though quite pleased now she's with Pasha.
Thank you everyone on this thread
The word Anton stopped me reading it before, stupidly, but it's a wonderful discussion. Can't add anything, I'm afraid, but love reading about the relationship between hearing music and dancing. I remember last year on this forum a discussion about walking and dance, just that very basic rhythm...
I also thought Caroline would be good for Anton, chachachavvy, though quite pleased now she's with Pasha.
There should be a symbol didn't you think Pet? Sometimes the best threads are hidden behind the most inauspicious titles. I wonder how many I have skipped past over the years that I really should have opened. We need a way of rating threads after they reach say page 2.
There should be a symbol didn't you think Pet? Sometimes the best threads are hidden behind the most inauspicious titles. I wonder how many I have skipped past over the years that I really should have opened. We need a way of rating threads after they reach say page 2.
A Gandalfy mark on the door. Just found the other one too, the Mark and Karen thread, which I assumed was from before my time... It's not that I can follow what you're talking about in that one, too specialist, but it cheers me up to hear it going on
I know what you mean ! I've never had a problem with hearing the different timings to all the dances ( ballroom 10 dance) but I can see so many lower grade/beginners do. Agonising seeing them at comps dancing off time and they don't realise it.
I wonder if this happens in ballroom styles. In salsa, which bear in mind is club/social dancing and embraces all-comers (well in theory anyway), you sometimes get asked to dance by a guy who has no idea of the timing. Its actually quite hard to dance off beat and my job is to follow, so I find myself having this really schizophrenic experience of switching between dancing with the man (his timing) and dancing with the music and back and forth all through the track. Its a really weird feeling.
I wonder if this happens in ballroom styles. In salsa which bear in mind is club/social dancing and embraces all-comers (well in theory anyway) you sometimes get asked to dance by a guy who has no idea of the timing. Its actually quite hard to dance off beat and my job is to follow, so I find myself having this really schizophrenic experience of switching between dancing with the man (his timing) and dancing with the music and back and forth all through the track. Its a really weird feeling.
Is this to do with anticipating the beat so you're ready to go rather than responding to it? I get a disorientated feeling watching the conductor of a symphony orchestra when he's ahead of everything with his movements (except he has to be). It's like you've got two symphonies going on at the same time
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I agree. He deserves to get someone with some ability for once and Caroline and he seemed to have good chemistry when partnered in the launch group dance. Judy has absolutely no musicality or rhythm, so as per usual, Anton will get blamed for her poor Latin when, in truth, there's not much anyone could do.
He's certainly as well known as some of the so called celebrities, so I guess we have to include him in both categories.
I thought I was back on the BB forum ^_^
If I was a Celeb & got partnered with Anton, first thoughts that would go through my mind is that the Producers don't rate me as a potential dancer & I don't stand a chance winning this year.
I agree. Lets hope that Judy can go someway to prove them wrong.
On that basis, Anton is the correct partner - he's clearly better at ad lib comedy than any other pro on the show - including Brucie.
As long as you can understand and apply instructions, can hear timing, I believe anyone can be taught to dance in its basic form. Anything else is a bonus.
Oh that is disappointing. I had high hopes for Judy. I was hoping she would be a Gabby Roslin type. She should have the strength, tone, stamina and determination, so I am sorry to hear she is musically challenged. Do we know this for certain or is this based on the group dance? Because it looked to me that she forgot her steps in that and rather than miss a few and pick up with the music she tried to still fit them in.
I agree. if you can walk you can dance. We all have rhythm, we just forget how to use it but can re-learn. The hard thing to learn I think is a sort of grace. Some of our students after years still seem to plod. No matter what you say to them its in one ear and out of the other and they always look cumbersome.
When I first danced salsa I couldn't hear or identify the first beat in the bar if it had a big red cross on it. Now I can't not hear it.
I know what you mean ! I've never had a problem with hearing the different timings to all the dances ( ballroom 10 dance) but I can see so many lower grade/beginners do. Agonising seeing them at comps dancing off time and they don't realise it.
Many previous celebs on Strictly would seem to disprove that theory, starting with Christopher Parker and if finishing with Tony Jacklin last year
Poor old Tony had trouble standing upright at times last year let alone moving with any sort of grace or musicality.
I think it is,like a tone deafness for dance, the sad thing is that some people can't even see that they are not moving gracefully or in time to the music.
Your last few words state exactly what I have in my post....ie you have to hear timing.
I said that if you can apply what you are told, and hear timing, you can be taught to dance in its basic form. In my book, dancing is just moving on time to music. The technique, body styling, whether or not you have body rhythm, isolation and whether you are graceful is another matter, ie a bonus. If you can learn steps and hear timing you can be taught to dance - moving to music with recognisable steps.
He's a sensible guy and will enjoy his time on the show with Judy. He's into sport big time, so knowing somebody like Judy my get him some decent tickets for games!
I think Judy and Anton could be one of the first couples out because she has no fan base and judging by that group dance, no natural talent for dancing or performing.
I got the impression that there were other choreographers who could step in when the pro didn't have expertise in a particular dance (like the Charleston last year,)
Of course, I'm a woman of a certain age, and I'd know that I had no real chance of winning, or even getting to the final.
I know that Judy will give it her best, because she's competitive. I'd like to see her last longer than some of the others. She may not be my first thought when it comes to someone who is a celebrity, but at least (as a non-tennis fan) I'd heard of her - unlike the soap opera/reality folk.
Tim and Greg are the most famous contestants from my point of view!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKcS0-Sf_gs
The word Anton stopped me reading it before, stupidly, but it's a wonderful discussion. Can't add anything, I'm afraid, but love reading about the relationship between hearing music and dancing. I remember last year on this forum a discussion about walking and dance, just that very basic rhythm...
I also thought Caroline would be good for Anton, chachachavvy, though quite pleased now she's with Pasha.
There should be a symbol didn't you think Pet? Sometimes the best threads are hidden behind the most inauspicious titles. I wonder how many I have skipped past over the years that I really should have opened. We need a way of rating threads after they reach say page 2.
A Gandalfy mark on the door. Just found the other one too, the Mark and Karen thread, which I assumed was from before my time... It's not that I can follow what you're talking about in that one, too specialist, but it cheers me up to hear it going on
I wonder if this happens in ballroom styles. In salsa, which bear in mind is club/social dancing and embraces all-comers (well in theory anyway), you sometimes get asked to dance by a guy who has no idea of the timing. Its actually quite hard to dance off beat and my job is to follow, so I find myself having this really schizophrenic experience of switching between dancing with the man (his timing) and dancing with the music and back and forth all through the track. Its a really weird feeling.
Is this to do with anticipating the beat so you're ready to go rather than responding to it? I get a disorientated feeling watching the conductor of a symphony orchestra when he's ahead of everything with his movements (except he has to be). It's like you've got two symphonies going on at the same time