You're not wrong. But i don't agree with it. He shouldn't be labelled a racist for pointing out someone's nationality in an argument.
But why attach the nationality of the person to the insult when being offensive I would class myself as being pretty thick skinned but sometimes you have to look at why certain jokes/insults are attached to certain nationalities. It was a bit like when someone mimics your accent you have to look at the context it is being done in i.e. a banter/jokey way or in a way to belittle/ridicule you like Helen did in the last series. But then again going by her alleged tweets about the Irish and so on you wouldn't expect anything else.
We are all the same race..Humans.. Has no one ever pointed this out before? To be a true racist involves you wanting to harm or kill.. therfore you could not live with them. To not understand different cultures is very normal, as you just dont know. The Racist card is used way too much and needs to stop. To be angry with someone and include thier culture is a 'hit' in a argument. Words are only words.. it's only actions and behaviour of true racists we sould concentrate on
But it shouldn't because it doesn't make any sense to belong in the same category as Racism. The clue is in the name, RACist.
It already has it's own word, Xenophobic. What Leslie said can be seen as either discrimination or Xenophobia.
I know what you are getting at and the best I could come up with is Race is colour or ethnic or group of people sharing a common and distinctive racial, national, religious linguistic or cultural heritage but residing outside their country sometimes could happen that a nationality being coincident with a race.This imo is why you hear of racial attacks on non nationals so yes nationality can play a part in racism.
I must add I don't think he was intentionally being racist although it could be construed by some that way.
Thank you and Scottishmag. I knew I should never have clicked on this thread. I knew I would despair and I was right my heart sank further and further. You two just picked me up again.
LOL The insult I understand was 'stinking French ****' and we have 6 pages objecting to the word French!!!!! :D
The world has gone mad....mad I tell you ... stark raving mad.
If Leslie had said "You stinking white ****", that would be racist. (Ugh, what a horrible thing to say, regardless of the adjective.)
Better watch it because the racist police might consider it racist ,if someone says 'if somebody had said blah blah blah' (racist remark )that wasn't actually said, but somebody actually said it would be racist if somebody said that.:(
It could be deemed that the perpretator really wanted to say it and managed to say it through saying it would be racist if somebody else said it. (As in Turban versus Kilt 1775).
On a serious note though. I don't understand why colour depicts a 'race'. I mean South Africans are black AND white and what about albinos they can be of any race.
Racist or Xenophobia he should not be in that house. If I went into Tesco today and said to someone "You're a Italian hoe" I know I can get away with it.
This is just pathetic. Some will see it differently. I see other people's points, but I still partly think it's racist LIKE many have pointed out if he had said "Frenchie you stinking Indian ****" a whole issue would happen and ofcom would be on overload.
It's like this would Kellie be a Woman Beater if he had hit Frenchie and I can tell you everyone will say something different, and say it's okay. But no, to me that us very serious. Till he gets his gender changed on his birth certificate he would be classed as a female but many of you would disagree.
It's xenophobic and it wasn't just a random insult. There's this stigma/stereotype that "the French" stink so it's clear where he was pulling that one from.
It is no different to when football fans trash other teams supporters from different towns and cities. Using the terms such as Scots, Scouse, Geordie, Brummie etc....
I think those accusing Leslie of being racist or xenophobic just don't like him and are using it as a stick to beat him with. We see the same every series when housemates aren't liked, every little thing is used to vilify them.
Racist or Xenophobia he should not be in that house. If I went into Tesco today and said to someone "You're a Italian hoe"I know I can get away with it.
Well yes because the shop assistant would probably just smile and think you were of your rocker . Either that or they'd quickly re-direct you to the gardening isle.
I put the UN definition of race discrimination here last night.
And what he said is classed as racist. By the UN. Go read it and learn
I know it's not exactly hard to do, it always makes me laugh when people say you need to look up the definition of Racism or Bullying like in the last series. Well I did and it's not exactly rocket science to work out why the term was being used
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No that would just make you ignorant!
I agree, but not racist as some on here would like me to believe. Everyone is ignorant from time to time.
But why attach the nationality of the person to the insult when being offensive
Nationality is not the same as race.
If Leslie had said "You stinking white ****", that would be racist. (Ugh, what a horrible thing to say, regardless of the adjective.)
But nationality DOES come under the remit of racism.
But it shouldn't because it doesn't make any sense to belong in the same category as Racism. The clue is in the name, RACist.
It already has it's own word, Xenophobic. What Leslie said can be seen as either discrimination or Xenophobia.
I know what you are getting at and the best I could come up with is Race is colour or ethnic or group of people sharing a common and distinctive racial, national, religious linguistic or cultural heritage but residing outside their country sometimes could happen that a nationality being coincident with a race. This imo is why you hear of racial attacks on non nationals so yes nationality can play a part in racism.
I must add I don't think he was intentionally being racist although it could be construed by some that way.
I was about to post the same
Thank you and Scottishmag. I knew I should never have clicked on this thread. I knew I would despair and I was right my heart sank further and further. You two just picked me up again.
LOL The insult I understand was 'stinking French ****' and we have 6 pages objecting to the word French!!!!!
The world has gone mad....mad I tell you ... stark raving mad.
It could be deemed that the perpretator really wanted to say it and managed to say it through saying it would be racist if somebody else said it. (As in Turban versus Kilt 1775).
On a serious note though. I don't understand why colour depicts a 'race'. I mean South Africans are black AND white and what about albinos they can be of any race.
This is just pathetic. Some will see it differently. I see other people's points, but I still partly think it's racist LIKE many have pointed out if he had said "Frenchie you stinking Indian ****" a whole issue would happen and ofcom would be on overload.
It's like this would Kellie be a Woman Beater if he had hit Frenchie and I can tell you everyone will say something different, and say it's okay. But no, to me that us very serious. Till he gets his gender changed on his birth certificate he would be classed as a female but many of you would disagree.
Racist is skin colour not nationality.
lol good god!! people want protection against everything
I think those accusing Leslie of being racist or xenophobic just don't like him and are using it as a stick to beat him with. We see the same every series when housemates aren't liked, every little thing is used to vilify them.
I put the UN definition of race discrimination here last night.
And what he said is classed as racist. By the UN. Go read it and learn
I know it's not exactly hard to do, it always makes me laugh when people say you need to look up the definition of Racism or Bullying like in the last series. Well I did and it's not exactly rocket science to work out why the term was being used