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Britney; your thoughts?
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Grew up with her (best mates) and i'm a casual fan but i have realised that i watch her performances through a filtered scope. I have found that its almost like watching your gran participate in sports; youre rooting for her to do really well but the smallest glimmer of doing well is exaggerated as a major success in ratio to another's performance (in this case her contemporaries)
wondered what the general conseus was? do you think there will be a sudden change for instance the conservatorship will dissolve and she'll snap into liberation or will it be a slow and gradual process or will she just retire?
wondered what the general conseus was? do you think there will be a sudden change for instance the conservatorship will dissolve and she'll snap into liberation or will it be a slow and gradual process or will she just retire?
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considering she has been in the business 12 years. that statement is flawed. i am in no way a big britney fan. however, i am a fan of pop music. yes, it is disposable and throw away to some people. to other people a good pop song, can be timeless.
in terms of britney, she needs to up her game. people all over the world are willing her on. she just needs to want it, a little bit more.
Wait wait wait wait. You were best mates with Britney?! :eek:
I really do think that people are underestimating her (:eek: YES, I said it!).We all tend to compare her with what she was capable of in the past.She had better videos, she had MUCH better performances, she had more energy, she had more passion for music etc etc.But what will happen if we stop comparing her to her past self and start comparing her to her peers??People bash her to death for her performances, but they seem to forget that Britney is the only current popstar that can still dance on stage. Even though her dancing is stiff compared to the past, she is still a much better dancer than all of those young popstars combined. Nobody else even tries to dance!Rihanna?Ke$ha?Katy?And even GaGa is a more awkward dancer than Britney!When it comes to singing live, Britney proved in her tour that she can outperform most popstars in that department too!As far as success and popularity is concerned, the people that criticize her seem to forget that all the popstars right now are struggling in a way.Katy is supposed to be in her peak era, yet she is having massive trouble selling 2 million in the U.S (where she had 5 No.1 hits) and 4 million ww.Ke$ha's album didn't sell that well and her EP completely flopped.Rihanna's 'Loud' was kind of her career-defining moment so far and it still sold about 4 million ww with 6 singles!And GaGa at this point is considered the biggest popstar in the world (and her fans are casually slating Brit) but with all this promo and all the singles, she hasn't even sold half of what Britney used to.If none of the brand new and fresh popstars can reach Britney's peak time period, then isn't this hightime we came to terms with the fact that Britney does not have to surpass or tie her peak eras either?
Im sure if she had promoted the album here and promoted HIAM/TTWE FF would still be in the charts etc. Also her single date releases are terrible
Her Tours sold well though here, so the interest hasnt really gone.
Her team just P*ss me off because they have ignored the UK like the plague.
I agree the Britney now is not the Britney 1999 - 2004, but then again i wasnt suspecting she would be. But she has her life on track, her shows are stellar and her music and material has been very consistent regarding the criticisms. She has come a long way! She is defintiely the Pop Icon for a generation and in her own way paved a way for Popstarlets in a more current movement. It was like Madonna achieved the main bulk with it, really set the trend and still on top. But Britney set trends in a more recent wave of events and inspired a load of (dunno whether to be thankful or cringe!) younger tween stars too!
Sure her first two albums can be so cheesy and cringe, but it has that nostalgia feel. As does her third album too reminding me of summer 2002 etc. and in 2004 when i got In The Zone, memories of that year etc. And really stabbing yourself inside when your read about her breakdown and meltdowns and young motherhood, and an almost fall from grace. Then rooting for her comeback with Blackout, and again for Circus (even if the album was tripe with a few corkers!) and then really embracing Femme Fatale and in fact is THE Dance album of 2011 :cool:.
The downside is that she seems to be more focused Stateside while globally she is not seen the same way as she was before, she hasnt sustained it or done promo on a Beyonce, gaga, Katy Perry, Rihanna scale at all to get more attention for the album which is a shame, because out of all those artists it is Ms SPears that is the strongest and grows every listen definitely!
Yes KP sells more at the moment, but I get the sneaking suspicion that we wont be talking about her in 12 years time. I could be wrong of course.
I'm not attacking KP, but she doesn't quite create the same 'buzz' with the public in general that Britney etc has whatever her fan base may think.
And whilst she may not be gaining new fans now, at least not at the rate of those already mentioned, I think there is such a sense of nostalgia surrounding her, that those who grew up as she hit the big time, not necessarily fans, come round to her at certain points and like some of her tracks, when they perhaps never actually liked her growing up.
There's a fair point made earlier about her dancing that I'd never really considered, yes her dancing now in comparison to previous performances is slightly stiffer (yet a vast improvement over Circus era and even the start of the Femme Fatale promotions) but noone else really does dance the way she does. She's probably still top 5 in terms of performances, and this inspite of her being at about 60% of her personal best.
She'll forever be an icon, I think she'll always have people rooting for her.
I don't know how to describe it exactly, I know my other favourites like Beyoncé, P!nk, Rihanna etc are "better" popstars, better songs, better live (Rihanna perhaps less so but she's improved considerably recently as well) but if they were all playing the same night and I had tickets for them all, I'd always, 100 times out of 100, choose to go see Britney. She may lipsync her songs, she may lipsync her dialogue with the crowd "it's so great to be here in London" but she's just mesmerising nonetheless.
In some form or another, I think she'll still be around in another 12 years, probably still steadily selling albums, not setting the world alight like her contempories, but at the same time, generating attention with half the effort of those around her.
As time has gone on and she had that meltdown I do think she has lost her spark. She used to be able to captivate everyone with her performances. She lip synced but that wasnt such a big deal because the routine was so high energy (a recent example of this is Chris Brown's VMA performance)
Her music may not be what it used to be and she has really had to change her sound to adapt but like i said in another thread, she started the electro pop wave and now the dubstep pop wave so she deserves to be given credit for it.
I personally would like her to just pack it all in and focus on her family and health. Its clear to see her heart isnt in it as it once used to be and plus shes nearing 30 and if she isnt able to give those high energy performances now then what hope is there of her doing them when shes 40?
Shes an ICON nontheless she is responsible for the wave of american girl pop singers that followed her (Xtina/Jessica Simpson/Mandy Moore etal) and the likes of selenam demi and miley all credit her for paving the way.
I agree that a good pop song can be timeless, but stand by my statement that most pop music produces the most disposable artists. Personally, I think pop music often produces songs that outlive the artist, and though that can be true for any genre, I think it's more prevalent in pop.
'Don't Stop Believing' by Journey would be a good example.
didn't the `journey` consider themselves a rock band?
Britney is known to be a FIERCE performer, and I do agree that currently she is still not at the standrard she once was pre-2004, however she is slowly and surely building her confidence and her skills as a performer, and most importantly she is heading back in the right direction. Her music is stronger than ever.... however I personally feel that after the Femme Fatale era is over she should take a break from music and venture into other avenues such as acting where I think she has a lot more to offer in and excel at.
But unfortunately, her conservatorship restricts her personally and professionally and I think she gets pushed into a lot of things she doesn't want to do. Back in 2005/2006 she was saying that one day she wanted to do a Blues-Pop album, a more mature sound. Her records still have an affect on pop culture and most definitely pop music (Blackout and Femme Fatale being the two prime examples).
1. Conservatorship must end.
2. More creative control.
3. Take a break.
4. Restart the machine and build up her skills again.
I think she does really want to do this, and obviously loves performing for her fans on tour, but not in her circumstances right now.:(
I don't think that applies to Britney, as;
1. She has had way more than one truly memorable hit - ...Baby One More Time, Oops!, Slave, Toxic, Gimme More, Womanizer, even Hold It Against has become another signature hit. Her career doesn't hang on one great song, or just one great performance.
2. Her celebrity, personality and looks (apart from Blackout, of course) have all been important to her career. Much like Madonna, in the future people will remember her Iconic images and personality (even the crazy times) as much as the music, like the school uniform, red bodysuit, the snake among many others.
Especially the bald '666' look.
Epic, but actually I preferred when she wore the wig and her underwear around the streets, a look GaGa has oft-copied.:p
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Yes they did, but ask most rock fans whether Journey were a rock band, and see what they say. They were middle of the road, manufactured rock, which is closer to pop than actual rock music.
i know nothing about rock. i make no excuses for that. i do find from comments i have read from rock fans, its a bit like an exclusive club. artists are either in the club or they are not. which is fine in itself, live and let live i say.
however, what i do take issue with. is when rock fans bang on about artist integrity and longevity. or claim superior musical knowledge based on their tastes.
by the way, you have been nothing but respectful in your replies. i am in no way saying these opinions are based on our exchanges.
Why thank you.
And I agree with your summary concerning some rock fans, they can be up their own backsides. Hope I never get like that.
Concerning 'artist integrity and longevity', as I've already said I do personally believe that rock manages to produce more enduring musicians, but for those fans who harp on about 'integrity', I'd argue there's no integrity in sticking around when your music is far past its sell buy date, like many rock artists do.
i am sure you wont, you seem level headed. i don't discriminate on peoples preferences. personally, i stay away from threads that are no interest to me. i fail to see why other people cant see the logic in that and feel it necessary to wade in putting down other peoples favourite genres. again not a dig at you!
back to britney. i think she is well enough regarded within the industry to continue for a long time yet. while her sales are not what they were. she is still achieving good chart positions and selling out venues in the us.