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It's all our fault apparently
mungobrush
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Unbelievable
Last week we had Jeremy Corbyns stop the war people blaming the French for the recent attacks in Paris
This morning Ken Livingstone is blaming Tony Blair for the London bombings
And we've had McDonnell praising IRA terrorists
So now it's all our own fault?
Last week we had Jeremy Corbyns stop the war people blaming the French for the recent attacks in Paris
This morning Ken Livingstone is blaming Tony Blair for the London bombings
And we've had McDonnell praising IRA terrorists
So now it's all our own fault?
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Actually I'm not
And I'm not Chilcot either
They will always think of an excuse, but the choice lies squarely with the individual.
To be honest (and it sticks in my throat agreeing with Livingston) He does have a point. Attacking Iraq justified by what turned out to be lies re-enforces the idea that the west is attacking Islam and therefore giving the extremist immans a cause celebre (however unreasonable, but then they are not reasonable). He is also right in that eventually it is going to need boots on the ground - even if those boots hold the foot of spec ops or UN peacekeepers.
So what about the places they attack that had nothing to do with Iraq and aren't Western ?
Those who are violent will always find an excuse to be violent. ISIS and their ilk are the international equivalent of the bloke in the pub looking for trouble, and making eye contact is all the excuse they need.
We have to face facts there are some people in the world who are not only content to live in barbaric savagery, but are prepared to export it too. For once we need to stand by our governments, not the appeasers like Corbyn and Livingstone.
Exactly, and those responsible for 7/7 already hated this country with a vengeance, our involvement just gave them an excuse to do it.
However giving someone an excuse is not the same as "being responsible" for others actions.
I did not say it was reasonable - these people, almost by definition are not reasonable. Just that by starting a war based on lies you give them an excuse.
As it happens ISIS summarily execute some people just for being in a Shi'ites (see http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-most-isis-horrific-atrocity-2014-10?r=US&IR=T) ISIS being Sunni.
Giving them any reason is likely to increase the excuses these people use.
I agree. everything has consequences.
we go killing arabs with "shock and awe", and don't expect arabs to be upset about it. The winners write the history, true enough, but you have to live through the history first.
Well, I'd say it's at least partly the fault of those who stir up religious hatred against Muslims in the first place. That can hardly help.
You sound like a rape victim who was accused of being partly responsible because she dressed provocatively
Hardly, since I wasn't talking about myself. It's a poor analogy anyhow. Perhaps you'd like to come up with something better?
How's about this?: adding fuel to the fire rather than trying to put it out.
Far more the fault of those who stir up religious hatred against non-Muslims and the wrong type of Muslims and perform public beheadings, blow people up and shoot them etc.
.........and so it goes on.
New thinking is required on these issues preferably not the hypocritical type that governments specialise in ...eg the arms trade or being mates with Saudi Arabia despite their involvement in Islamic terrorism.
Not saying Corbyn and Livingstone have the answers but some original thinking that challenges what we've tried and failed doing in the past is required.
Or in your case, let the fire rage regardless.
We have tried doing nothing. Still they kill, still they cry jihad and try to recruit our young. You cannot appease terrorists any more than you can reason with them.
Violent people will always find excuses to be violent.
They need to be stopped.
I doubt that any politician has actually said that.
Terrorism is usually associated with people who are part of a country but for historical reasons want their independence or to be part of another country. Islam is the only religion that seems to be strongly associated with terrorism.
There have been no Hindu, Jewish, Buddhist, Christian, Atheist etc. related attacks on Britain. So the is hostility to Islam it is partly self inflicted.
Terrorism is using violence to promote political change - however all of those religious groups have their terrorist groups (except atheism) - just not international. The Irish troubles for example ended up dividing of religious grounds. Jews used terrorism in the creation of and independent Israel. Even Hindu and Buddhists have their terrorist groups.
Post of the day!!
Blair told everyone Saddam had nuclear weapons, we went to war on those claims. 1000's of muslims died as a result.
What do you think such a mistake/Lie may solicit in return?
I think you will find it's the other way around. The hate preachers of Islam are stirring up hate against any so called 'infidel' and we see the results.
Also there is a massive schism in Islam between Shia and Sunny and they seem to be hell bent on killing each other so actually there are way more Muslims who are victims of all this terrorism than westerners.
I think this schism is one reason why western democracy is next to impossible in a lot of middle eastern countries.