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Prescott: The Class System and Me BBC2

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    lillyoolillyoo Posts: 535
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    I have really enjoyed watching this. His wife is very funny, infact I found that I liked both of them and if that scene with him dancing doesn't make it's way onto Have I Got News For You on Friday I will eat my left nut (if I had one)

    I also agree with a lot of what he says although i'm not going into that on here or i'll be here all night.
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    vincentvangogovincentvangogo Posts: 1,463
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    The man is more stupid than I ever imagined and clearly has a massive chip on his shoulder. He's a rubbish arguer, bullies anyone who doesn't agree with them, and when he can't win starts getting personal. He constantly contradicts himself, on the one hand going on about how people shouldn't be judged on their class, then judging everyone according to theirs. Worst of all he blathers on and on about the injustice of the education system etc without it appearing to even occur to him that his was him and his party running the country for the last decade or so, so it just proves how totally useless they all were. Tw*t.
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    mountymounty Posts: 19,155
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    His indignation at people who 'buy their children's future' by sending them to private education is so typical Labour. But who wouldn't if they could afford it? Few parents are as ideological as Prezzer
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    GratingCheeseGratingCheese Posts: 2,649
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    mounty wrote: »
    His indignation at people who 'buy their children's future' by sending them to private education is so typical Labour. But who wouldn't if they could afford it? Few parents are as ideological as Prezzer

    He's right though. Their future is bought - it hasn't been determined on merit that's for sure. If those same people were chucked into a comprehensive they wouldn't do half as well, ergo we essentially have people who aren't fit doing all the top jobs. They get the jobs through their contacts and bank balance, not merit.
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    vincentvangogovincentvangogo Posts: 1,463
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    He's right though. Their future is bought - it hasn't been determined on merit that's for sure. If those same people were chucked into a comprehensive they wouldn't do half as well, ergo we essentially have people who aren't fit doing all the top jobs. They get the jobs through their contacts and bank balance, not merit.

    Something that often gets ignored in these debates is how much harder you work at a public school. I sat my A's at a comprehensive after dropping out of a public school. At the comp I was home every day at 3.30pm, at the public school, our days were from 9am to 9.15pm five days a week and til 1pm on Saturdays, roughly double.
    Prep school before that was also much longer hours and very disciplined. So it's not only because their parents have paid the fees that these people tend to achieve more, they've worked much harder from the age of 7-18 and often gone through a lot of toughening up through boarding from a young age. Comp to me was like a holiday camp and it was pretty galling having people who'd never been away from their home comforts, parties, girls, etc telling me I'd had it easy.
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    FuturespectFuturespect Posts: 847
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    I didn't detect any genuine hostility towards better education in the programme. The problem is the size and location of the selection pool for a given role. F1 drivers are chosen from a tiny minority of men who had tens of thousands put their way as kids.

    That's because there's no remotely affordable entrance for the disadvantaged. It's not about socialism, it's meritocracy. We don't live in one. While public school children can certainly create their own downfall, there's minimal guarantee of academically-gifted state pupils progressing to careers which fully utilise them.

    This was enough to dissuade me from learning when I was younger (my own fault of course; I mention it because it's not uncommon). State schooling is a cultural mess of antipathy for internally-elected authority. Brighter individuals can readily sink into a mire of apathy.
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    Peter EPeter E Posts: 7,746
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    I loved it when he was arguing with the guy in cafe. I thought he was gonna give him a punch. lol :D

    I agree that they both seem like really nice people.

    I agreed with mostly what he said in the programme. Geogre Osborne and David Cameron and most of the shadow cabinet are prime example of the class / old boy network and that's why I detest them so much.

    Despite what people think about him, I admire Prescott for managing to come from very deprived background to become Deputy Prime Minister. That's no small achievement, you don't get to that without sheer hard work.
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