Historical evidence looking at countries that have embraced Socialism. Why you think that the UK would be especially different from any other country in the world is unclear.
LOL - without the private sector you wouldn't have had those businesses in the first place.
Because the UK is not a feudal state like some of the other countries that tried it maybe?
1.Market Socialism, Marxist Socialism, democratic Socialism and Libertarian Socialism all depend on the public/state ownership of the means of production. I am a democratic Socialist as I believe in a transition to a Socialist Britain through the ballot box.I also, as you will know if you have been paying attention, know that I believe that Anarchism is the goal that I want this society to attain after the Communist state .
Do you think Britain is moving closer to democratically electing a socialist government? There's really nothing I have seen to suggest this.
When I was young I had quite a few tomes of left wing theory and political philosophy (as well as other, opposing political theories).
Unfortunately, as the years went by and my bibliomania grew I had to ditch the absolutely unecessary to make room for my rarer literary and fine press acquisitions.
Eternal students of Marx and co. tend to be amongst the most boring individuals on the planet - but my belief that the public ownership of the means of production is the only way man has to avoid being destroyed in nationalistic- fuelled war has never deserted me.
Do you think Britain is moving closer to democratically electing a socialist government? There's really nothing I have seen to suggest this.
I note that this is written in the past tense. Do you really not know anyone who agrees with your political ideology now?
1. You have asked me this before. I will answer the same - no. I most certainly will not see a Socialist state in my lifetime. As for the future - who knows?
2. I have quite a few Socialists among my friends/relations. If you get 100 Socialists in a room you will get 100 different opinions. My ultimate belief in Anarchism is not shared by many (but a few).
She's certainly looking the part these days, currently getting stuck into Theresa May in the Commons. Her demeanor is a lot more prime ministerial than Ed.
Nobody from the last Labour government should ever be PM of this country IMO.
We need a whole new generation of Labour politicians to take over from the current shower who wronged this country on so many levels.
I want this current coalition gone, but there just isn't anybody to vote for.
When I was young I had quite a few tomes of left wing theory and political philosophy (as well as other, opposing political theories).
Unfortunately, as the years went by and my bibliomania grew I had to ditch the absolutely unecessary to make room for my rarer literary and fine press acquisitions.
Eternal students of Marx and co. tend to be amongst the most boring individuals on the planet - but my belief that the public ownership of the means of production is the only way man has to avoid being destroyed in nationalistic- fuelled war has never deserted me.
You binned Marx? :eek:
You are fortunate in that you'll never be around to see that your belief is misguided and naive. IMO human nature is incompatible with socialism so it will never be implemented and operated in the way theorists believe it should - and that is socialism's greatest flaw.
1. You have asked me this before. I will answer the same - no. I most certainly will not see a Socialist state in my lifetime. As for the future - who knows?
2. I have quite a few Socialists among my friends/relations. If you get 100 Socialists in a room you will get 100 different opinions. My ultimate belief in Anarchism is not shared by many (but a few).
1. You have asked me this before. I will answer the same - no. I most certainly will not see a Socialist state in my lifetime. As for the future - who knows?
2. I have quite a few Socialists among my friends/relations. If you get 100 Socialists in a room you will get 100 different opinions. My ultimate belief in Anarchism is not shared by many (but a few).
Its more trendy to be a Libertarian than an Anarchist. Better clothes. More comfortable shoes.
However, its surprising the number of things you can get Libertarians and Anarchists to agree on.
You are fortunate in that you'll never be around to see that your belief is misguided and naive. IMO human nature is incompatible with socialism so it will never be implemented and operated in the way theorists believe it should - and that is socialism's greatest flaw.
I have never binned a book.
Hopefully a lucky customer in a charity shop would have got a bargain.....and maybe enlightenment.
As for the old "human nature" argument, well, I have never accepted that man is incapable of working together in concert for the good of all, and that he is fundamentally selfish.
All things being equal,. and as much as Yvette Balls may consider herself PM material, I am sure that Harriet Dromey (NIece to the Countess of Longford, Deputy Leader of NuLab) would have some issue with the promotion of any other woman to a dominant position over herself - aside from the fact that Yvette Balls (as with Ed Balls) is as tainted as anyone else in Labour for supporting Gordon "Mr Casino Banker" Brown as NuLab destroyed the competitiveness of UK Plc.
Hopefully a lucky customer in a charity shop would have got a bargain.....and maybe enlightenment.
As for the old "human nature" argument, well, I have never accepted that man is incapable of working together in concert for the good of all, and that he is fundamentally selfish.
You paint a bleak picture of mankind.
I think I paint a rather accurate picture of mankind. Denial of this reality may be the only way you can hold on to the socialist "dream", but as you'll recall, I am a pragmatist.
I think I paint a rather accurate picture of mankind. Denial of this reality may be the only way you can hold on to the socialist "dream", but as you'll recall, I am a pragmatist.
I think you've been in your job for too long.;)
The "reality" of houses of filthy lucre is not The Way to personal fulfillment.
Throw away your red braces and reclaim the world!:)
The "reality" of houses of filthy lucre is not The Way to personal fulfillment.
Throw away your red braces and reclaim the world!:)
I thinking of political history - mankind has not generally embraced power for noble causes. There have been wars and human rights abuses across the political spectrum since time began.
Balls only has an appeal to Labour supporters both independents and Conservatives hate him. He looks like a bully and I suspect he is quite manipulative, thus why he has got so far.
How do you look like a bully, and if you do, does that actually make you one?
All politicians are manipulative, aren't they? They all have to climb the greasy pole to get to the top too.
No. She is also, along with her husband, someone who was right in the movers and shakers of those that made such a balls up of the economy last time around. In particular her husband was encouraging Darling to keep on spending (against the latter's wishes) even when he knew how bad the economic situation was.
Secondly she, along with her husband, are dishonest as evidenced by their treatment of expenses. As such she is not fit to be a prime minister.
The last government didn't make a balls up of the economy, the failure of the banking sector, especially in the USA, scuppered the UK economy good and proper. And if you enter a recession the last thing you should do is cut spending, it will only make things worse.
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Because the UK is not a feudal state like some of the other countries that tried it maybe?
I haven't had a book of Marxist theory in the house for getting on 40 years.
Sorry to disillusion you.
What happened to the book?
Do you think Britain is moving closer to democratically electing a socialist government? There's really nothing I have seen to suggest this.
I note that this is written in the past tense. Do you really not know anyone who agrees with your political ideology now?
Book? Book?
When I was young I had quite a few tomes of left wing theory and political philosophy (as well as other, opposing political theories).
Unfortunately, as the years went by and my bibliomania grew I had to ditch the absolutely unecessary to make room for my rarer literary and fine press acquisitions.
Eternal students of Marx and co. tend to be amongst the most boring individuals on the planet - but my belief that the public ownership of the means of production is the only way man has to avoid being destroyed in nationalistic- fuelled war has never deserted me.
1. You have asked me this before. I will answer the same - no. I most certainly will not see a Socialist state in my lifetime. As for the future - who knows?
2. I have quite a few Socialists among my friends/relations. If you get 100 Socialists in a room you will get 100 different opinions. My ultimate belief in Anarchism is not shared by many (but a few).
Nobody from the last Labour government should ever be PM of this country IMO.
We need a whole new generation of Labour politicians to take over from the current shower who wronged this country on so many levels.
I want this current coalition gone, but there just isn't anybody to vote for.
You binned Marx? :eek:
You are fortunate in that you'll never be around to see that your belief is misguided and naive. IMO human nature is incompatible with socialism so it will never be implemented and operated in the way theorists believe it should - and that is socialism's greatest flaw.
If you can find 100 socialists....
Its more trendy to be a Libertarian than an Anarchist. Better clothes. More comfortable shoes.
However, its surprising the number of things you can get Libertarians and Anarchists to agree on.
Both want the state out of their lives.
I have never binned a book.
Hopefully a lucky customer in a charity shop would have got a bargain.....and maybe enlightenment.
As for the old "human nature" argument, well, I have never accepted that man is incapable of working together in concert for the good of all, and that he is fundamentally selfish.
You paint a bleak picture of mankind.
I think I paint a rather accurate picture of mankind. Denial of this reality may be the only way you can hold on to the socialist "dream", but as you'll recall, I am a pragmatist.
I think you've been in your job for too long.;)
The "reality" of houses of filthy lucre is not The Way to personal fulfillment.
Throw away your red braces and reclaim the world!:)
No way to manage people and get from them what you want.
A no hoper.
If only early retirement were an option
I thinking of political history - mankind has not generally embraced power for noble causes. There have been wars and human rights abuses across the political spectrum since time began.
All politicians are manipulative, aren't they? They all have to climb the greasy pole to get to the top too.
The last government didn't make a balls up of the economy, the failure of the banking sector, especially in the USA, scuppered the UK economy good and proper. And if you enter a recession the last thing you should do is cut spending, it will only make things worse.